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- sliksta, on 05/15/2008, -7/+223Here's what I believe:
This was no 'accident'. It was a test run. Because it is not legally required to implement broadcast-flag technology into products(yet), people buy the infected products without knowing better. The media-content-industry wants everyone to own products with the tech in them before turning it on. This means waiting years for everyone to have infected products before the big broadcast-flag turn-on so that most if not all consumers are affected(infected).
They wanted to do a test run this early to make sure it is going to work as they expected as if there's a problem(in their eyes) they want to make sure it's remedied early to make sure everyone is going to be restricted as they want.
There's nothing you can do about Vista(without hacking it) or boxes like DirecTV. Actually any paid subscription service is going to have this and you can do nothing about it, unless you want to get into the hacking end of things which will be considered illegal.
Free TV is your only chance. Being over-the-air(terrestrial) or free-to-air(satellite) or free cable channels. PC based tuners are the ticket here, but you have to do your research if you want to be sure your tuner isn't infected. The industry could possibly head toward making tuners that only work with DRM-infected software like Vista to help lock you in. Hopefully some hardware manufacturers will continue to produce non-broadcast-flag-receiving tuners. If not we may be SOL and can't even record free TV(without draconian restrictions) except using an older card. - jer2eydevil88, on 05/15/2008, -5/+162DRM manages rights like jail manages freedom.
- lordtyros, on 05/15/2008, -3/+78They deserved it for trying to record American Gladiators and Medium.
- goonerzilla, on 05/15/2008, -14/+80No one so far?
***** the RIAA
***** the MPAA - drmsucks, on 05/15/2008, -1/+61FTA: Remember: DRM isn't about fighting piracy. It's about the ability to strictly control how we consume content.
Time to wake up, everyone. - buffyangel108, on 05/15/2008, -3/+59DRM - don't record me
- TheKorn2, on 05/15/2008, -2/+57I recorded stuff on NBC on monday (OK, I admit it, I watch American Gladiators), and had *no* idea they had turned on the broadcast flag. MythTV for the win! No DRM whatsoever!
- nedzalife, on 05/15/2008, -1/+44to quote the infamous shirt.... NBC - your failed business model is not my problem
- BoneheadFarker, on 05/15/2008, -0/+40Isn't this violating the "Time Shifting" rulings of the 80's?
- lazyfisherman, on 05/15/2008, -2/+39DRM = inferior product
won't buy it
this was definitely a "test run" - drg1138, on 05/15/2008, -9/+51Buy a VCR....
- dalittle, on 05/15/2008, -1/+37MythTV.com
Not affected by the broadcast flag, has all kinds of other featuresm and also skips commercials automatically. I could never go back to watching normal tv. - nickert0n, on 05/15/2008, -2/+35I like your insight, I wish more people actually thought about these behind the scenes aspects like you do but most of them yell consirpacy and joke, Its no joke.
However it is important to remember for every person paid to restrict there are more hackers/crackers that will build us what we need to get around it i.e. CD Burning, DVD Burning, Torrents, Napster etc you name it, we will always be free thanks to these un sung heros. God Bless Freedom - justjoehere, on 05/15/2008, -8/+42NBC still has viewers?
- Dylson, on 05/15/2008, -6/+37***** THING SUCKS!
- RegalBegal, on 05/15/2008, -2/+29Garbage. I'd rather steal my TV, thanks.
- Drizzit, on 05/15/2008, -1/+31Or just quit watching TV. It's the great coliseum of our generation.
- inactive, on 05/15/2008, -6/+30More proof that Microsoft will block NBC content on the Zune eventually, despite their comments to the contrary. Hell, Microsoft is already giving money to Universal for every Zune sold.
- sroop, on 05/15/2008, -3/+25...bro
- bittdude, on 05/15/2008, -0/+21Where there's DRM, there's a torrent waiting around the corner.
- nickert0n, on 05/15/2008, -14/+33DRM Will fail, and my Linux will prevail muhahahahaha
- DamnMan, on 05/15/2008, -2/+21your missing the point that its possible for the broadcast flags to be acted on by the hardware itself. The mythTV software is DRM free. Your TV tuning hardware on the other hand may not be DRM free. It probably is right now. But in 5 years? when every major manufacturer is putting DRM directly on the circuit boards it won't matter if your using Linux with hacked up drivers. The card itself will throw the data out long before the OS and any "unapproved" (and possibly DMCA violating) drivers can act on it.
- inactive, on 05/15/2008, -2/+20They will get hacked... just like any other DRM...
- YodaJones, on 05/15/2008, -2/+19Hear that? It's the sound of NBC sucking my balls.
- Hewbie, on 05/15/2008, -0/+16boycott all DRM. they soon get the message
- orangefly, on 05/15/2008, -2/+17a what....???....
- ePuck, on 05/15/2008, -6/+23Even though I have a legit XP pro key I choose to use the warez version. It just works better.
- MCA2142, on 05/15/2008, -2/+18Who's recording "American Gladiators?"
Seriously? - longbow486, on 05/15/2008, -2/+16***** THE MAFIAA
- canUdi9it, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13You're thinking of the "Back to the Future" trilogy. As long as no one goes over 88 MPH, we're OK.
- Aensland, on 05/15/2008, -1/+14What happened on that "POS" channel could easily soon happen on channels that you actually watch.
- MikeFromAmerica, on 05/15/2008, -1/+14Until they get rid of all analog and non-HDCP digital outputs.
- PCGCentipede, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13I agree MythTV is amazing. Mythdora makes it incredibly easy for just about anyone to set up too.
- PawnsOfJoshua, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13Ahh....books have no commercials. W00t for being literate!
- moocow1452, on 05/15/2008, -1/+15Geez, NBC gets a decent lineup a couple years back, and suddenly, their all in the high and mighty.
- Coniferous, on 05/15/2008, -0/+16If you live in Canada and use MCE you get this message quite a bit. I've been trying to find away around it, but no luck yet.
Ugh. - zenurb, on 05/15/2008, -0/+13"shows shows"?
Jesus.
Try "show's episodes."
You slack jawed yokels. - celkin, on 05/15/2008, -3/+15***** DRM!!!
- Theli, on 05/15/2008, -0/+12It just goes to show that pirated/unauthorized consumption of media is always better than the methods sanctioned by the content creators. It has less to do with the fact that it's free and more to do with the fact that it doesn't give you a lot of grief.
Legally purchased CD's may have copy protection - burned CD-R's won't.
Legally purchased DVD's all have copy protection - burned DVD-R's don't.
Legally purchased TV-shows from iTunes only play on Apple software/hardware - torrented TV-shows play on pretty much anything.
Windows Media Center refuses to record a TV-show - Mythbuntu doesn't.
Legally purchased games require you to insert the CD before playing - cracked torrented games don't.
Simply put - avoid adhering to any media/software companies rules if you wish to actually play your media. - canUdi9it, on 05/15/2008, -1/+13If they think people with DVRs are going to go back to watching programs live, they're smoking something. It's time-shift, or not watch at all for me.
- SkippyDoorknob, on 05/15/2008, -2/+13I prefer to encode my TV shows on wax cylinders.
- inactive, on 05/15/2008, -3/+14Microsoft software is your problem, they partner with the studios.
- barc0001, on 05/15/2008, -1/+11There's an easy fix. MythTV. I've been using it since 2003, works like a hot damn.
- TheKorn2, on 05/15/2008, -0/+10The broadcast flag is in the signal. But it's up to your software whether you choose to honor that signal or not. Tivo was bitten by this kind of a stunt a few years back (even going so far as not allowing FF/REW!), which is why I'm imagining they're ignoring the broadcast flag now.
- shadowblade989, on 05/15/2008, -1/+11Gee, I wonder why TV is going digital by LAW.
Maybe its because you cant put a broadcast flag on an analog broadcast. Maybe. - mdnttoker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+9SageTV and MythTV for the WIN!
- ePuck, on 05/15/2008, -3/+11I'm building/ordering a computer for my parents this week, I was almost thinking that vista would be good for them since they are not power users. I might have to think again. I don't want them calling me about vista issues that I don't know how to fix because I don't use this crap.
- PawnsOfJoshua, on 05/15/2008, -0/+8Its too bad that more people cannot honestly say "I'll simply stop watching." That simple phrase is all the power we ever need to force the broadcasting industry to comply to our wishes, but sadly, it is not an option for most people. I urge everyone - put down your remotes and pick up a book. The whole world will be better off for it. (before any wise remarks, yes I *have* lived without TV for the past 5 years.) If you start reading more, you will realize how much television content really sucks anyway.
- Hermmunster, on 05/15/2008, -10/+19This is precisely why NO ONE should be buying Vista. It isn't that broadcasters aren't entitled to protect their content, it is that this was put in there and no one was told that this was there. Consumers are buying a product with hidden restrictions which in many ways violate their privacy, violate laws, as well as just are total *****.
You bought Vista. You weren't told they'd be monitoring what you are doing. They monitored your recording without telling you, then they denied you the right to do it. If you were to go with another operating system such as Linux you would never have to worry about whether you can record content, etc. And certainly you should never be using a media center product from Microsoft. You shouldn't be using Microsoft products to begin with.
You want your privacy violated? You want to come to some realization that Microsoft has been in cahoots with these vendors to integrate this crap into your OS? How about trying a solid alternative to Microsoft's products. Linux can and will do 90% of what 90% of us want to do, and does it very well.
This is now out in the open and one must understand that there are other unknown elements buried into Vista which also violate your right to privacy and your consumer rights. There's no reason to be purchasing a product that has these features hidden that you are not made privy to. THIS IS WHY MICROSOFT WANTS YOU TO SWITCH TO VISTA-- to ensure their contracts with these other entities are fulfilled.
NEVER BUY VISTA NOR ANY OTHER PRODUCT UNLESS THERE'S FULL DISCLOSURE AND YOU ARE MADE AWARE OF IT WHEN IT IS HAPPENING (BEFORE THE PURCHASE). - przemeklach, on 05/15/2008, -0/+9Whatever protection they put in hackers will find a way around it and people who have always pirated videos/music etc will continue to do so. The only ones getting screwed here will be, as usual, the people who pay for the content by having to deal with DRM issues.
The solution to piracy is a balance between cost and copyright protection: a good price will make people pay for content instead of pirating it and some sort of seamless copyright protection will keep things from turning into a free for all (ie: people who pay a reasonable price for content should not be hindered by copyright protection) -
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