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- FallOutBoyTonto, on 06/10/2008, -8/+389as the very first comment says in the article:
"1 - 'Using 90% less power' = Only uses 10% power
2 - 'Uses about 10% less energy' = Only uses 90% power
Take your pick, and it can't be both." - joe122370, on 06/10/2008, -4/+178I'm piling magnets in my computer as we spe.......
- Dustmuffins, on 06/10/2008, -3/+133Angry.
- shadowmoose, on 06/10/2008, -6/+133I can't wait to see how computers turn out in 20 years.
- garnetrook, on 06/10/2008, -9/+102You nerds think magnets will solve all your problems.
- slifty, on 06/10/2008, -6/+87Great, as if Magneto needed any more power. Don't you people understand how dangerous he is?!?!
- otis12, on 06/10/2008, -5/+63If you have extra sticks laying around, just leave them on your fridge.
- Stupidumb, on 06/10/2008, -3/+51***** you're right! You better tell the engineers to incorporate some kind of shielding. There is no way they'll think of it on their own. You need to save the day.
- pitlord, on 06/10/2008, -2/+49Headline is misleading, but the article is cool. Read the original article here:
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components ...
^^ - aladrin, on 06/10/2008, -2/+45I think you give them too much credit. They obviously weren't thinking at all.
- leerayIG88, on 06/10/2008, -0/+39pew pew pew
- bhowell, on 06/10/2008, -0/+37According to the original article (linked at the bottom of the given article):
"MRAM improves on DRAM by operating more quickly and holding data even when the power supply to it is turned off, meaning it uses only around 10 per cent as much electricity."
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components ... - BearinG, on 06/10/2008, -1/+35And flying..
- Jaydo, on 06/10/2008, -1/+34With lasers and knives.
- sandiegodude, on 06/10/2008, -8/+39Does anybody else get the feeling "green" is becoming the next "Y2K?" Remember the Y2K compliant blender? I mean, I'm ALL for saving gas, but that's because its hitting me in the pocket book so hard right now. I also recycle, because I think its a waste to throw away materials that can be used again... Now that green is fashionable, its getting everywhere. It's like somebody said in one of the comments on the page, the big power consumption in a computer is not the RAM, its the CPU + GPU.
- garageboy101, on 06/10/2008, -0/+31If only we had real live "babe magnets".
- Yoweigh, on 06/10/2008, -3/+24This tech has been 5 to 10 years away for 10 to 15 years. Nothing to see here, move along.
- Nintendesert, on 06/10/2008, -1/+22What a pain the ass for security. As it is HDs in certain areas are removed and stored in secure facilities, now they'll have to just store the entire laptop since the memory inside is going to contain recoverable data too. People lose HDs, I can't even begin to imagine the nightmare small laptop ram sticks will pose.
- bhowell, on 06/10/2008, -3/+23Yeah this whole "magnetic storage" thing is just a pipe dream.
- LoopyChew, on 06/10/2008, -1/+20You'll always be able to fill up a hard drive. You just need to find higher-res porn.
- stuffradio, on 06/10/2008, -0/+19pew pew pew laser knifes
- Ramble, on 06/10/2008, -3/+20So we obviously shouldn't try and make other stuff more power efficient, I mean engineers can only work on one component at a time.
Who cares if it's green? It'll cost less and battery life will improve. - musntSurfatWork, on 06/10/2008, -5/+22In 1995, when I started working in computer retail, the pentium was not yet released. I read about it though. I wrote myself a note detailing what my "Dream computer" would be:
Pentium 60 (thats sixty Megahertz you 10 yr old diggers)
32 MEGS of DDO RAM
2! Hard drives at 1,000 Megabytes each (we were selling 250 megs for $350)
A Soundblaster 16 sound card
A Motherboard, whatever was available to fit into a full tower
A Full Tower! with 5! 5.25" bays! I still had dune2 on 4X large floppies.
a Mouse with a scroll wheel, they started to appear..
a 17" CRT Monitor! those they had better refresh rates at 1024*768!
I hope to see molecular computers in the next 13 years. Wake me up when Crysis2 will run at 120fps. - inactive, on 06/10/2008, -5/+22Sarcasm tags are stupid. Cut it out.
- Zaeth, on 06/10/2008, -1/+18didn't he say pussy magnet?
- leszek, on 06/10/2008, -3/+1842
- SoundJudgment, on 06/10/2008, -0/+15Hey, yeah! That's right where I leave my backup floppies, too. Just stick them to the fridge with a used speaker-magnet. Haven't lost one yet!
- Schmich, on 06/10/2008, -3/+18Magnets work very well next to speakers and harddrives.
- jgzman, on 06/10/2008, -0/+15Incorrect usage of percentages. If one CFL bulb uses 10% less energy than one incandesent, then ten CFL will use 10% less energy than ten incandescent. Percentages do not scale up. Value scales up, not percentages.
If I use one GB of this RAM in the place on one GB normal RAM, I will save (x= [10% | 90%]) energy. If I use a PB of this RAM in the place of a PB normal RAM, I will save the same percentage. I will save a different amount, (watts) but the same percentage.
This assumes that we are counting only the power used by the RAM, not the other assorted components. If you count the other components as well, the numbers get funny, because the percentage of power used by the RAM goes up as you move from GB -> PB, thus the percentage electricity saved goes up; HOWEVER that is a misleading model. It would be similar to saying that CFL are no good because I changed the one in my attic, and I didn't save any money. - webcrumb, on 06/10/2008, -1/+15So 1=1 still?
Booooring... :P - Stupidumb, on 06/10/2008, -1/+158
- mtekk, on 06/10/2008, -2/+15"Divide both sides by 50 and just remove the 1 because it's so small and you don't need it, BAM!!"
ahem, someone failed math. if you divided both sides by 50 you'd have:
1 - 1/5 = 1 4/5 -1 which simplifies to
4/5 = 4/5 - ErikHK, on 06/10/2008, -0/+13What?! Grandpa, are you saying that you had limited storage space when you were young? That's so silly!
(oh f*ck you, you spoiled future bastard) - FUR10N, on 06/10/2008, -1/+13instant boot sounds good
- Stupidumb, on 06/10/2008, -7/+19I assume the person who wrote this was thinking "90% is less than 100%, so it uses 90% LESS power".
- flair1, on 06/10/2008, -0/+12that pentium 60 blew the doors off my first PC, an Atari 2600 with 4k of RAM!
- borez, on 06/10/2008, -0/+12Hard drives seem to stand up OK, but when I crank up my pair of Dynaudio M2's I can see the CRT monitor pictures starting to stretch, so I definitely know there's some heavy magnetic ***** going on.
- Gamer2k4, on 06/10/2008, -2/+13Well, from a physics standpoint, power and energy are two different things. Maybe it uses significantly less energy per second (power), but still requires a decent amount of energy overall.
- Step1Mark, on 06/10/2008, -1/+12I think the reason why this would be coined green is... when it is less of a hassle and no time to wait on booting it will result in more people using shutdown and hibernate causing the CPU and GPU to turn off. I do see your argument but i think if all areas improve we will be in a better efficiency rather then only looking at the CPU and GPU consumption. I am an nVidia fan but I do like what AMD is doing with the ATI Hybrid Graphics Technology. Also with newer desktop CPUs they regulate power consumption... kind of like how laptops have been for years.
- Stupidumb, on 06/10/2008, -0/+11No, that would have meant that they understood.
- GraceHead, on 06/10/2008, -3/+14quote: "Toshiba estimates that the MRAM will use about 10% less energy per megabyte "
I wonder what the percentage is per kilobyte
/sarcasm - RevEng, on 06/10/2008, -1/+11I'm not an environmentalist by any means, but the use of the term "green" by companies disgusts me.
The problem with "green" is that it has become a marketing slogan rather than a lifestyle. Calling a 30MPG car "green" in a commercial where greenery and wildlife are popping up around it is not only misleading, it's entirely insulting to the issue (I'm looking at you, Honda).
Being green is about living in balance with the environment. It's about not causing the damage in the first place, and when it can't be helped, minimizing its effect. RAM that uses 10% (or is it 90%?) less energy isn't going to make a difference anymore than a car that does a measily 30MPG (let's not forget that 50 and 60 MPG were not unreasonable for the same 2-door compact 30 years before).
Companies make their product 5% more efficient, or replace one of the many toxic chemicals they use with something less volatile, and claim that they are saving the planet, because they view environmentalism as fashionable. It's becoming a fad that they are more than happy to pander to.
You want to save power with your computer? Use an LCD monitor. Modest-sized LCD monitors only use 50W as compared to an equivalent CRT monitor's 150W. That's a considerable power savings. When they go into suspend, they use even less, dropping to approx. 2W.
Want to save even more power? Turn it off when you're not using it. The entire computer, including monitor, easily use 200-400W (and more for powerful machines). Turn it off and the power consumption drops to only a few watts (yes, it uses power when "off", but it's minimal). - HyperJack, on 06/10/2008, -0/+10How many people on Digg live in Italy and are looking to buy a moped?
Not many. If you have to have spam your site everywhere like that at least put it somewhere that is remotely relevant. Eg: Italian Motorbike Owners Forum - Firehed, on 06/10/2008, -1/+10IIRC, it uses a LOT less when just sitting there and a little less when changes are being made. I could be way off though, it's been quite a while since I've looked into the tech.
However, MRAM was supposed to become available around 2004 so I wouldn't count on anything materializing soon regardless. - chrishowie, on 06/10/2008, -6/+15Buried as inaccurate. 10% != 90%. (Cool stuff though.)
- Stupidumb, on 06/10/2008, -2/+11Comedy is like wine: It improves with age and then you get wasted.
- Firehed, on 06/10/2008, -3/+12Nothing. Haven't you heard of shielding?
- BuckCynnie, on 06/10/2008, -1/+10I don't know why you were dugg down, but you make a VERY good argument. Must people don't understand that while you may encrypt files on your harddrive, the are pretty much sitting decrypted in RAM when accessed. So, now, when you turn off your PC everything still sits decrypted and easily accessible in your RAM. Everything that you have open, now that IS pretty scary.
- Nezacant, on 06/10/2008, -2/+11Shouldn't you be keeping those high powered speakers away from your computer anyway? Hard Drives don't like magnets.
- inactive, on 06/10/2008, -0/+8RAM doesn't use much power as it is, does it? At least compared to the CPU. I know my laptop can stay in standby (meaning the RAM is running) on the battery for days, but it only lasts two hours once I start running the CPU/HD/LCD backlight.
My old Powerbook did this, and I think I was able to keep it in standby for a week on a new battery. The new Macbooks go into hibernate mode after some unknown amount of time.
At this point, the only advancements in storage that I care about is bigger and cheaper. Faster comes in a distant third, and less power is off my radar. -
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