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- carnitas, on 10/17/2008, -3/+45I do think that SSD is the way of the future its just too damn expensive right now.
- inactive, on 10/18/2008, -1/+28I'll probably get an 80 GB SSD in a year or so and just install the OS / adobe suite / other main applications on it and use regular HDs for storage and stuff.
- cheapotheclown, on 10/18/2008, -1/+22Computers are the way of the future.
- slut, on 10/18/2008, -2/+20I'll hop right on the bandwagon, when they fix the amount of writes you can do to a cell before it dies.
- cheeseron, on 10/18/2008, -0/+12Intel SSDs: Change We Can Believe In
- SmidleyDigg, on 10/18/2008, -0/+10Not to mention that if a SSD malfunctions, you can't get your data back...ever!
SSDs are great for OS drives because they're so fast, but I'll stick with HDDs for long term storage. - Stevethegreat, on 10/18/2008, -0/+8Intel Reports the MTBF to be 1.2million hours, that's 137 years...
- slut, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6and raid is only going to make it happen faster. You know its a problem when a 32gb SSD disk has realistically 40gb of cells but the controller rotates where the disk writes as they know cells will die randomly.
- SFBWork, on 10/18/2008, -1/+7Wow, didn't even think of that until I read this.
- cheeseron, on 10/18/2008, -0/+6Yeah, I mean, what about Linux swap partitions? :/
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 10/18/2008, -1/+6It's the way of the future, trust me... It's just a matter of time before the cost gets in line.
- bj1989, on 10/18/2008, -1/+6Hard drives are a great bottleneck in the performance of a computer. I love this bottleneck is being tackled now. Can't wait to buy a ssd when the prices have settled.
- pak314, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4Anyone know where to buy those Intel SSDs? I can't find them anywhere.
- kije, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4It's getting close to bus saturation on SATA 3Gb/S. We need 6Gb/S.
- fryguy1013, on 10/18/2008, -0/+4I don't think the cells start dying, just that you can't write to them anymore, so no data is "lost," as it can move that sector to another place.
- gospe1337, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3Do SSDs have good lifespans now?
- Rocksea24, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3Anyone wanna bet these puppies show up in the new Apple laptops?
- AnthonyFTMFW, on 10/18/2008, -1/+4Yeah honestly, unless they fix that issue, even at a low price, it won't saturate the mainstream market. People would rather work with hard drives they know are already fairly reliable. If I can only write a limited number of times before cells start dying off, what's the point? I can load Crysis 2.1 seconds faster. Weeee.
- GooyBoy, on 10/18/2008, -2/+5"I'll hop right on the bandwagon, when they fix the amount of writes you can do to a cell before it dies."
The MTBF is such that the drive will be obsolete before the write errors occur. - tempusrob, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3@p3ngwin: You have no idea what a swap partition does.
- kiantech, on 10/18/2008, -0/+3you mean the mac book pro with the nividia 9600 processor...that one?
- p3ngwin, on 10/18/2008, -0/+26gb/s is on it's way 2009 :)
- priestjim, on 10/18/2008, -1/+3No way SSDs are near-anything to 15K HDDs! What about the same MB/s, ultra low access times, constant performance in all block addresses, no fragmentation, minimal power consumption and the fact that they can only get better in time, whereas HDDs are nearing their evolutionary limit?
- enantiodromia, on 10/18/2008, -1/+3we tested an 8 drive SSD-SAS RAID0 for giggles, and it was absolutely krad. too bad it was a demo box and we had to give it back. something about the cost of all those drives being our entire IT budget for the quarter. :)
- inactive, on 10/18/2008, -2/+4STD's are a way of the future too!
Nah but in all seriousness, yes SSD will
def make it. - amneosis, on 10/18/2008, -0/+2Should really be called RAED 0.
- inactive, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1Patriot has a 64gb ssd for 179 dollars at newegg, not bad , i think they are higher performance than some of the earlier offerings from ocz
- shodanx, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1there is still an effective "seek time" even if it's not actually seeking
also the speed is not uniform accross the drive - Mocib, on 10/18/2008, -1/+2Currently the only SSD option for me is Fusion-io's 80GB ioXtreme PCI-E card, which is coming in Q1 2009 - everything else just does not compare.
http://www.fusionio.com/PressDetails.aspx?id=49 - Junior612, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1It's all about power consumption baby. Speed just happens to be a secondary bonus.
- orev, on 10/18/2008, -1/+2You guys must all be too young to realize that this stuff is not at all hard to see coming. Of course SSD prices will come down, just like everything else in technology does. You don't need to be Nostradamus to figure that out.
- adkenc, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1puppies.
- InfiniteNothing, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1I agree. SSD isn't your typical pen drive. They last much longer.
- Suricou, on 10/18/2008, -1/+2It's possible. Like data recovery from broken magnetic-disk drives, it needs a lot of highly specialised equipment and training. The greatest difficulty is finding a company that will do it - but as SDDs become more popular, data-recovery services will have to expand their capabilities to include them.
The method isn't hard to understand - desolder the flash chips, hook them up to a reader, pull the data off and reassemble. Most of the time it'll be a controller fault, and the flash chips will still have the data. Even if it is a flash chip failure, the others will be intact so a partial recovery may be possible. - jpinsonault, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1God, to be so wise, you must be entire *decades* old.
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Yeah, end of story there. At this point, though obviously wear leveling is still needed, this is quickly becoming a non-issue with SSDs. An MTBF of 1.2M hours is as good as any standard spinning disk.
- 1Bad, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1MTBF is calculated by testing a huge number of drives for a few weeks and then mulitplying the mean time between failure over a few weeks by the number of drives being tested. This is not realistic especially given that flash drives are are extremely unlikely to fail in the first weeks of operation since they have no mechanical parts.
- jpinsonault, on 10/19/2008, -0/+1Wireless Beowulf clusters of intelligent robots are the way of the future, idiot
- linagee, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1(corrected) Fragmentation has *no* impact.
- NTolerance, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling
- p3ngwin, on 10/18/2008, -0/+1depends what you're comparing to:
price of Fusion-IO compared to expensive cars=close
balance of performance and price of commercial SSD's like samsung/OCZ to affordability for most people=closer - Stevethegreat, on 10/18/2008, -1/+1Modern SSD (especially SLCs) have far greater lifetime than regular HDDs. It's also logical to think like this, a moving parts hardware would fail faster than one that it is not mechanic. If your HDD fail in a certain amount of time, chances are that the SSD would overlive that. Also what's great about SSDs is that bad sectors do not cause panic to the whole disc, modern SSDs (those released the last 1-2 years) have a mechanism which make bad sectors read only (so that you CAN save your files) but not available to write on (obviously), this means that your Windows/Linux/OS X machine would report the SSD to have lower storage (for example a 60GB SSD would read as a 59GB, since the equivalent space of 1GB is now unusable due to wear).
However you look at it, SSDs are better: faster, safer, live longer. Of course they have the problem of being astronomically expensive, but this would be fixed in the following couple of years (for example 8 months ago an SSD with the equivalent performance AND size of Intel X25-M had twice the cost, etc.)... - FTLJohnson, on 10/18/2008, -2/+2The way of the future... The way of the future... The way of the future...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQp-oR5QcMM
The way of the future... The way of the future... The way of the future...
The way of the future... The way of the future... The way of the future... - p3ngwin, on 10/20/2008, -1/+1the SSD is better off not having tons of reads/writes to it from swapping, and with the speed of the SSD it's not needed.
unless you want to tell me something about a MAJOR difference between windows and Linux swap behaviors i fail to understand your point.
even SSD makers advice turning off swap pages. - df12, on 10/18/2008, -4/+4Moore's Law.
- JKAL, on 10/18/2008, -1/+1yeah, and they even have the internets on them now a days, so... for sure the way of the future.
- linagee, on 10/18/2008, -1/+1700MB/s seems kind of slow when you have gigabytes/sec of bandwidth on the PCI-E bus. Wake me when they have PCI-E "drives" that do GB/s.
- shodanx, on 10/18/2008, -1/+0no it's not....
yes it is 12 times less power hungry than a hdd, but that's only 11 watts left
you'll never save enough $ from power consumption (and even with HVAC costs included) to offset the higher cost per byte (well.. you will , in about 26 years)
I have a raid 0 , 8 gb i-ram ssd for my OS, but I have 11 seagate 1tb drives for storage - sasshole, on 10/18/2008, -1/+0oh yeah the one released *a week ago*, that's cutting edge now isn't it
- sasshole, on 10/18/2008, -2/+1you really don't know much about apple hardware. try to find a Mac w/ a 9xxx or higher videocard or even an ati 3xxx/4xxx card
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