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- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -2/+30Intel is kicking the crap out of AMD at the moment.
- 2courtneysmile, on 11/13/2007, -0/+24"The most complex chips being launched Monday have 820 million transistors, compared with the 582 million transistors on the same chips built using the current standard technology. Intel's first chips, introduced in the early 1970s, had just 2,300 transistors." Simply Amazing - Moore's law rocks on
- Dysarthria, on 11/13/2007, -0/+18You don't want that to continue, you always want competition. The Intel chips today would not be what they are if it weren't for AMD making better chips than Intel 4 years ago. I've never owned an AMD machine, but it is very reassuring that I have an option to buy a good, low-cost alternative to Intel chips now and in the future AMD may produce a better product than intel in the future.
- WaterDragon, on 11/13/2007, -0/+17...And not to be outdone by Intel, Del Monte Foods just announced release of its new mini-salsa -- little tiny jars of their hot dipping sauce, to be consumed with the new micro-chips.
- colincornaby, on 11/13/2007, -0/+11The new chips actually also include SSE4.
- sexybobo, on 11/13/2007, -0/+10Ever since they bough ATI neither company has come out with a decent product. They had better both have something special or they will be up a certain creek with out a paddle
- MissingScrews, on 11/13/2007, -1/+9The battle between Intel and AMD helps microchip technology increase at an amazing rate. Woot for capitalism!
- tnoy, on 11/12/2007, -1/+8"Perhaps more importantly, the transistors on the Santa Clara-based company's new chips are built with new materials that help solve the critical problem of electricity loss as the circuitry gets smaller and smaller.
"This is more than just a new process shrink," Tom Kilroy, general manager of Intel's Digital Enterprise Group, said. "Forty-five nanometers is wonderful and we get an uplift, but it really is the reinvention of the transistor." " - Zaneris, on 11/13/2007, -0/+7Uh... You're a little off there buddy, the transistors are already smaller than a lot of molecules.
- cannarymburns, on 11/13/2007, -0/+6intel is just on a ridiculous roll as of late, this is like a throwback to the 90s when chip development was torrid, not like the boring p4 days. amd took up the roll while intel was slumbering with netburst, but now it looks like we got the lead actor back.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -0/+6I'm waiting for 8-core INTL processors coming out around that time. ;)
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5Can't be sure... he followed with "a tough swallow."
- greenlight2001, on 11/13/2007, -1/+6"I've got plenty of dough"
Aren't you quite the ladies man! - almalax19, on 11/13/2007, -1/+6Thats a pretty broad statement. There a lot bigger than a lot of molecules as well.
- almalax19, on 11/13/2007, -1/+5mmmmmmmm micro chips
- cjhowe, on 11/13/2007, -2/+6Ever think Moore's law is more about sales cycle than it is about functional capabilities?
- emblemparade, on 11/13/2007, -0/+3Intel + Del Monte = AMD + ATI
- vertinox, on 11/12/2007, -0/+3Well... I wouldn't say Intel is "way cool" but Moore's Law is their road map:
http://www.intel.com/technology/mooreslaw/index.ht ...
Basically their internal corporate goal is to come as close as possible to that, but I think Moore's Law is just a self fulfilling prophecy by Intel. I suppose thats still a good thing. - WaterDragon, on 11/12/2007, -0/+3Is that anything like saying 'They're' a lot bigger?
Looks like somebody needs to put down the mouse and pick up a book!
(Printed books are traditionally corrected for spelling and grammar, unlike what we read on the internet...and so READING THEM is invaluable, for kids who still need to learn to speak and write properly) - wonderchemist, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Depends on what you are using your computer for.
Simple word processing? Then yes. The most used features in word processing were well established by the early 90's. Increasing processing power doesn't really add anything here.
Video editing? Then (currently) no. Increasing processing power provides significant increases in speed of completion. - WaterDragon, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3"Now that this PR is officially out of the way,..."
WHOA! Hold on! Don't be dissin' no Puerto Rican people!
;-) - Zaneris, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Very true, but it was in response to his statement, which is quite broad and vague.
To put things in perspective, 45nm is about 5x larger than a protein molecule, but shorter than the length of Human DNA (normal size, stretched out it's probably taller than you are). And is also smaller than a lot of organic molecules, hydrocarbons, polymers(plastics), etc... - falkonv7l, on 11/12/2007, -0/+2At Intel they were telling me that, now with multi core technology they do not really need to adhere to Moore's Law any more. Of course Intel is still working on 32nm and beyond but they seemed to want to lean toward the multi core stuff.
- init100, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Just wait until the next time Intel grows complacent, like they did with the Pentium 4 line. Then AMD will be back blowtorching Intel from behind.
- Smills, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1In a week?
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Intel isn't doing anything to stop the competition. It's just that AMD is so bad at it.
- Dysarthria, on 11/14/2007, -0/+1Not saying they are at all. Just saying you do not want one company blowing away the other to such a degree that they become a monopoly. I want Intel to make great chips - but also AMD.
- HonoredMule, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2It's as much a law as any other economics law. After all, that's all it is...a statement asserting the rate at which the industry will have to grow to keep consumers impressed and the market fluid. It's also somewhat self-fulfilling.
- Bansuri, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1If you don't believe me, how 'bout wiki?
not here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search ...
Aha! Here it is! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchips
Just seems like a tiny research into the spelling of the SUBJECT of the post would be helpful.
We've all given up on comments, and for good reason, but the rush to post new articles and be a "top digger" is no excuse.
Even microchip isn't used once in the article in favor of microprocessor, but micro chip is nothing.
I know, Nazi this and Nazi that, but to an outsider Digg looks like a junior-high message board. - tacom8, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1For being a "technology site" digg seems to target the most horrifically nontechnical websites to link to. Guess that speaks volumes to the current user base... i miss the good old days...
/hey a picture of a funny cat! - cjhowe, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1If I sell you X this year, you'll be wow'd. Over 18 months that wowness wears off and I offer you 2X, you buy it and again, you're wowed. That wowness wears off again and 18 months later I offer you 4X and you buy that as well. See a pattern. Why sell you 4X at t0+18months if you'll buy 2X and be wowed?
- geminitojanus, on 11/12/2007, -0/+1AMD has about as much of a chance of building a Barcelona chip on a 55nm process as NASA does of building a new space shuttle in a junk yard. The design /might/ be able to be ported, but the RTL/layout would take about a year to get moved over to the new process, and by then TSMC will be flogging 45nm, and AMD would have just wasted their time.
Instead, what AMD needs to do is look into some of that IP they've been acquiring and start pulling the tricks out of their bag. Like replacing the L3 cache on Barcelona with 1T SRAM, so they can pack 6 times as much memory on the damned device. Of course, their insistence on having the integrated memory controller means that a lot of that RAM is unnecessary, it's doing something beyond what they're doing now with the technology they've got now. Intel's literally taken every dirty trick out of the book they've had brewing for the past 5 years that they wasted on the Pentium 4 and they're raining them down on the industry at a blinding rate. Unless AMD is willing to commit technological warfare and not just "let's just build it again, only smaller", they're going to be in for quite the surprise. - HonoredMule, on 11/12/2007, -0/+1Not to mention the worst possible source of tech news. I loved reading about what a nanometer is! And then, and then, an AMD spokesperson used the word "Myopic." Data overload, man!
- Zaneris, on 11/12/2007, -0/+1Lol, I thought about correcting his mistake, but I'm in a decent mood today :p
- Dysarthria, on 11/14/2007, -0/+1That will be a very good thing for consumers. If it weren't for AMD, we would not have the chips from Intel we have today.
AMD chips are great, they cost a fraction of Intel chips and deliver solid performance. They are an excellent way to put a cheap, fast system when you're on a budget. - pantuky, on 11/12/2007, -0/+1We all saw this coming months ago, but I am sad to say that the mountain just got a little bit higher for AMD. AMD needs to apply TSMC's 55nm technology to Barcelona very badly. They need to get that 3GHz Barcelona part out the door or they stand little chance of even rating against Intel. I still think the 55nm Barcelona @3Ghz will make for a compelling experience, but Intel is clearly stretching their lead right now.
- geminitojanus, on 11/12/2007, -0/+1Everyone in the industry is /on/ Low-K dielectrics. Intel switched to High-K (early by almost two process generations according to some analysts) to help stop gate leakage, the #1 ongoing cause of performance loss and heat generation in their new chips.
- techweenie1, on 11/12/2007, -1/+1LAME
- Dysarthria, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1You know, homosexuals are masters at the double-entendre.
- Y0tsuya, on 11/12/2007, -1/+1Anyone who reads industry rags already know about this. Anyone and everyone working on deep-submicron processes were also developing low-k dielectrics. This has been going on for years. Intel, with their deep pockets for process research, obviously got there first.
- amyjones09, on 11/14/2007, -0/+0Jesus ***** upgrades too fast
- cannarymburns, on 11/12/2007, -0/+0with that failed post, i think we'll just let you keep sleeping...
- WaterDragon, on 11/13/2007, -3/+2I remember a time when all those little crystally things sprinkled on CHIPS were just called SALT.
- Trollhammaren, on 11/12/2007, -3/+2The 1980s called, they want their fad of crappy humour with homonyms back.
- blacklabelrum, on 11/13/2007, -1/+0yawn....!! wake me up when these chips are invisible.
- cannarymburns, on 11/13/2007, -1/+0besides the fact that a 55nm respin takes time, when the hell have you heard of tsmc manufacturing anything for a cpu maker? amd is allowed to outsource 20% of their total production, and the company they outsource to is chartered.
- Bansuri, on 11/13/2007, -2/+1microchips
- mythicflux, on 11/12/2007, -5/+4So am I. I just hope AMD has something truly special waiting or they could be in for some more serious trouble.
- myfanwy, on 11/13/2007, -3/+1CPU design for 8 year olds by the WP. marked lame, no real content
- DagMX, on 11/12/2007, -5/+3technically it isn't a law...its an assumption he made
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