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- AeroSquid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26half*
- RWVolkl158, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I think the only way that Intel will regain popularity with the enthusiast crowd, even with Conroe's performance is if they stay competitively priced with AMD. I don't care if Conroe stomps AM2 into the ground if the processors cost considerably more then their AMD counterparts I certainly won't be going back to Intel.
- nappingcracker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13When did their engineers forget the cliche "Work smarter, not harder"?
Good to see they are starting to remember. - jmke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9SuperPi is no multithreading benchmark, so only 1 core is used for the calculation.
- ubermorph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9SuperPi != real world performance.
Otherwise, a Celeron M would trash an A64.
Not saying that the Core Duo isn't a fast chip, it's fast as hell, but a single benchmark isn't everything - jmke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7that's not correct what you are saying, if throttling did occur, the SuperPi calculation would have been slower:)
in fact, the chip is cooled too well, as the system refused to boot if the CPU was not clocked high enough with enough vcore because the temperature was too low. it's a bug in the BIOS "the cold bug" as it is known with overclockers. - eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@veracon
You might want to check out this: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/12/1320202
It's not that Adobe uses Intel specific code, it's that the Intel compilers purposely degrade performance when they detect that the program is being run on a non-Intel CPU. Hopefully this will change with the antitrust lawsuit AMD is bringing against Intel. - Kido1986, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10This is the only redeeming thing from Intel at this time. The desktop chips have sucked sicne they moved to LGA775. However, their laptop chips are top notch.
They seem to be learnign fromt heir mistakes that clock speed means little. Conroe make actually get me to buy an Intel again, something I have refused to do (on the desktop side) for years now (Ever since Socket A was released). - jmke, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I have now ;)
about 1500 readers in last 5 minutes... ouch. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5All that green on his MySpace page ***** my eyes. I didn't notice until I closed the page and came back to digg, the white colors looked ***** to me.
That guy definitely shouldn't be the one giving any sort of advice to anyone but himself. - cair0, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12a little more clarification:
half is a noun, adjective and adverb, its plural is halves.
i took half. (noun)
she gave me a half smile. (adjective)
i half ran to the store. (adverb)
i split it in two halves. (plural noun)
halve is a verb, meaning to split in half.
I halved the apple. - michaelstone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No, I think you need to make more sense. You're post was practically one long sentence with lots of ellipses. It was hard to understand.
- sert, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14damned internet grammar police, go away no one cares
as long as you can understand what is being said its fine - jmke, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11so is Digg.com the new slashdot? Our site got seriously hammered here:)
- AngryPenguin47, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i am due for an upgrade....I am still on a socket A AthlonXP 2600+. Dunno about anyone else here but I will atleast be upgrading to a X2 3800 system when the AM2 comes out. One step behind is usually cheaper....
- SP33DFR34K, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5In addition, they got hurt pretty badly with the whole thing about Pentium D and motherboards. Forcing people to upgrade their motherboards just so they can use Pentium D. I know this annoyed A LOT of people. To be fair, AMD is going to be doing the same thing when AM2 comes out, but they are doing it for the the transition to DDR2 memory.
- jmke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3google cached our story, luckily ;)
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:18xrv9-LrYgJ:www.madshrimps.be/forums/showthread.php%3Fs%3D%26threadid%3D23453+Intel+Core+Duo+3.4Ghz+beats+P4+overclocked+to+7.2Ghz!&hl=nl&gl=be&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a - kickarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The mobile chips are basically half p3's and half p4's... smaller pipeline. Think it's 20 compared to 30 something on the p4 northwood and 40 something on the prescott.
- bman212121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Let's see....
My Super Pi Time: 34 seconds 3800 x2 @ 2.7
Their Super Pi Time: 17 seconds Core Duo @ 3.4
Hmm, what the hell am I doing wrong! :) - bothra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5learn to type or speak effectively
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Sarcasm maybe?
- mirzmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mattd123: It is Intel's mistake because despite lack of consumer education, AMD's market penetration numbers are continually increasing. The tech-savvy users and major system manufacturers acknowledge the benefits of the AMD platform and are starting to pitch their tents in AMD's camp.
- McoreD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I have agree. I am not blaming you guys, but some grammer is pretty stupid. Look at these two sentences.
1. "He don't like it"
2. "He doesn't like it".
Didn't you understand the first line? imo the use of both "don't" and "doesn't" must be the first to go. I repeat as long as you can understand what is being said it's fine. - 7ontheline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I loaded up super Pi 1.5 on my pentium D 3.2 and cpu usage stayed right at 50 percent. Finished 1M in around 42 sec. with 4 other programs open.
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And how are those numbers calculated? Magically?
- veracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I personally have mainly one reason to use Intel over AMD: Adobe use Intel-specific code in their new applications, meaning they're much slower on AMD processors than on Intel ones. Premiere is already extremely sluggish, and Photoshop is turning towards it.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I take offense to that. I calculate pi to 10 million digits every day on my system.
- LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nothing about what you are doing wrong... everything about the Core Duo being faster clock per clock than the AMD X2, apparently.
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is anybody surprised by this?
First of all, back in the Dothan days, the rule of thumb was to multiply Dothan clockspeeds by 1.7x to get the P4 equivalent. The Core Duo uses the Yonah core, which is faster clock-for-clock than dothan. It is reasonable to assume at least a 2.0x ratio for Yonah, if not more.
On top of that, they're comparing a dualcore Core Duo to a singlecored P4. I don't think SuperPi is multithreaded, but they're still going to get a speed boost from offloading all the background crap that normally runs in the background in Windows, giving another slight boost.
So again, what is so surprising about this exactly? - jetpig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the pentium d is dual core though. the move to am2 is all about moving to the new memory format with DDR2. on the intel side all that requires is a new northbridge, not a whole new proc as well. the pwntium d was a bit of a blunder though, i agree.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13Kido1986: I Nearly agree.... the Pentium 3, socket I, 550mhz was the last decent pentium chip I have owned. I build PC's for my company (among other stuff) so I am privy to all the latest tech... and man I tell you, Intel has sucked hard since that p3 chip I mentioned.... AMD has wooped their ass since then... my Athlon 64, 3000+ (2ghz) runs FAR better than any intell I have used, including the 3.2 extreme edition AND the amd cpu was only 100 bux with free motherboard when I bought it. While this article has not convinced me to grab one for my personal PC.... but I may persuad someone to request an 'upgrade' and grab that mobo n cpu, so I can benchmark n play while building it for em.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I highly doubt it was overheating, if they were using the same cooling that they were using on the Core Duo.
- ubermorph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You would need to do hardware level emulation of assembly code for that.
That is neither fast, nor efficient. Currently, no one has that capability, Pacifica might get there eventually with hardware virtualization, but we are not there yet. This is misinformation, software needs to be coded to support processing with multiple threads. - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes but the P4 is well known for getting "hot spots" and not heating uniformly because it turns off the clock to components that aren't in use. So a program like SuperPI could have been overheating only the ALUs, for example, while making the external processor temps seem a lot cooler than it actually was.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Doesn't really surprise me, Pentium 4's have always been hot & power monging, and in my opinion, not worth the high price you'd have to pay to get one, unless you were a rich video producer.
I'm glad intel finally released something with Beef, it's just too bad that they haven't come up with a 'reverse-HT' system yet to utilize two cores as one. - perral1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps super-pi is a single-threaded program and the CPU usage bar adds the usages of each together and divides by two?
I don't and never have used a dual-core PC, so I'm not sure how that works out...
-Perral1 - MadOgre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My brand new laptop has a core duo cpu... freaking rocks. Love it. Best lappy I ever bought.
- CoreDuo2006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1another reason to buy a MBP 17"
- veracon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1eklitzke: That works for me too, nevertheless Adobe applications do run significantly faster on Intel processors. Which is the thing I really care about, not particularly whether it was intentional or not.
- seannicholls, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0makes me almost wish I got a dual core P4 when I had my pc built.. not that I'd ever notice the difference (much).
I'm not surprised a native dual core would run better than an overclocked model, makes perfect sense. - spooq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0not only does noone have that capability, its not really even theoretically (let alone practically) possible, see "halting problem".
pacifica is not about doing this, its about virtualization at the operating system level by multiplexing hardware, ala xen.
the closest things available for now and the foreseeable future are simd and other such "tricks", that require at the least compiler support, and usually application-level code support as well. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Thats what digg is about, flaming comments for no real reason. Even if your comment agrees with the swarm .... LOL (Don't worry I gave you a digg on both your posts, they werent the usual idiocy that gets flamed)
- smartpatrol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Half the CPU cycles? Considering they're comparing a single-core P4 to a Core Duo processor, I find that comparison questionable. I would be more interested in seeing a Pentium D vs. Core Duo, each clocked as fast as the tester could push them.
That said, the Pentium D/Core/NGMA designs are amazing, and I can't wait for Conroe later this year. - narbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That was soooo funny - please tell me you were thinking of Bad Santa
- matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Was thinking about getting an AM2 in late summer, now I think I may get a Conroe instead, whenever that comes out.
- mjaleo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3In other news, it turns out halve the people who submit articles to Digg have less than a third grader's grasp of the English language! More at 11!
- m00nmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So slow. Link to better servers or provide a cached link too. Please?
- shattadeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I half to agree that before reading this article my English is have as better than the other two halve idiots.
Dogg No. Degg...HMM Dagg.......ZZzzz... O Yeah Dugg :) - resetpassword, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1how does comparing super-pi results show what is slow and fast?
it's just calculating numbers, not actual workload. - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'm guessing superpi is highly parallel? Then OF COURSE a dual core chip will only need half as many cycles. I bet a Pentium D could do this, or an Athlon 64X2.
Just speculating anyway... -
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