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- SethEllis, on 03/18/2009, -0/+147If this deal goes through then IBM would own MySQL.
- whitesaint, on 03/18/2009, -1/+127Not to mention Java. I, for one, welcome our new blue overlords.
- atm259, on 03/18/2009, -1/+78I don't know whether to be happy or sad.
- RealmDown, on 03/18/2009, -0/+56In this case, it should be -- "We welcome our old blue overlords back"
- ASfinkterSezWut, on 03/18/2009, -0/+45??? Dude.... part of the value is Sun's Server Tech.
In one of a dozen new projects I'm working on here; I'm running 8 virtual machines on a 2CPU (16 cores each) 64 gig ram 64 bit Sun server right now with Oracle10G mounting IBM SAN through Fibre replacing 8 Dell Wintel SQLServer machines and getting incredible performance gains, better security, reduced footprint, reduced cost, reduced power consumption and a host of other benefits and improvements. Sun/Solaris/Unix with IBM SAN is freakin kick-ass stuff. Sun hardware will not be dumped by IBM any time soon. - topcat5, on 03/18/2009, -8/+48IMO IBM will continue to support Openoffice and mysql, if for anything else, it causes Microsoft pain. In fact both might gain bigger shares of the market. IBM is already a big supporter of Linux for the same reasons. However I predict the only real things they want from Sun are the customer base and full control of Java. Sun's hardware is a generation behind and solaris is really an antiquated nix.
- rcarroll215, on 03/18/2009, -0/+35I feel the same way. On one hand, IBM's resources could be used on further development of Virtualbox, OpenOffice, etc... But on the other hand, OpenOffice could just become a part of the Lotus suite...
We'll see what happens. - keegster, on 03/18/2009, -0/+33shareholders rejoice...stock is up 60% since open this morning (JAVA on nasdaq)
- inactive, on 03/18/2009, -7/+34Given IBM's own history (and learning from it), Sun's hardware division will be the first to go.
- jamshid, on 03/18/2009, -0/+25Funny thing is, IBM might end up being right. Their software is open source and free, but they make lots of money from all the support and xml config changes that IBM's crapware needs.
- geniusj, on 03/18/2009, -0/+25Solaris in antiquated now? I guess that means Linux (which I assume is your counter-example?) must have gotten stable versions/equivalents of ZFS, DTrace, Resource Containers, Zones, ability to define processor sets, etc. Regardless of how hard some people may find Solaris to use, it is clear that Sun and Solaris both have many useful technologies to showcase and that its feature set is far from antiquated.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 03/18/2009, -1/+26they already tried.
Anyone remember OS/2 Warp? - ASfinkterSezWut, on 03/18/2009, -0/+22WTF? Sun's Server hardware is kicking the crap out of Wintel garbage in the Enterprise market.
Give me a Sun/Solaris/Oracle server over Dell/Win/SQLServer ANY day. - kingp, on 03/18/2009, -4/+25It's all about Java. IBM needs it. Besides, Sun's stock has been hovering around 5 bucks for the last 4 years anyway. It might be the best thing for Sun, at this point.
- carterx, on 03/18/2009, -0/+18Hope they look to keep open source apps like OpenOffice, VirtualBox etc. running
- seandaly, on 03/18/2009, -0/+18There is NO WAY that they'll ditch Sun's hardware... The hardware comes with Solaris & the customer base, which is what IBM is most interested in!
Both IBM and HP have lost the majority of their enterprise system base (P-series and HP9000) yet Sun has managed to keep a significant footprint in the financial, engineering and HPC markets.
IBM wants the T-series (coolthreads), V / M-series (SPARC) systems and more importantly, the install base.
Sun's X64 / X86 server line, while a bit different that the competition (large focus on AMD), it's basically what you find at Dell, HP or IBM, although in some areas more power efficient or rack dense. Not enough of a differentiatior since Andy Bechtolsheim has left again.
If they get Sun 7000 storage as well, huge win there and it makes the X64 server line worth it's weight in gold.
The problem is, Sun has a LOT of baggage that IBM (or HP) is not going to be interested in. (StorageTek, multiple software stalls, OpenSolaris, SunRay, xVM / OpsCenter among a few)
I just hope they don't convince Sun to allow them to purchase JUST the UNIX line of products and leave Sun with the rest, which would collapse Sun.
I honestly thought it was going to be HP that fired the first shot. - VitriolAndAngst, on 03/18/2009, -0/+17Microsoft took steps to cripple Suns java and they used undocumented system calls to make their version of JAVA run faster and better. THAT'S why they got sued. They attempted the same thing with QuickTime, and they also made their IIS servers put Internet Explorer browsers at the front of any queue ahead of Netscape browsers (got that from a few Web Ops that dug around a bit).
Sun has problems, for sure. But the JAVA example is better used to show how cutthroat competition defeats innovation. - Scott2, on 03/18/2009, -12/+29Java already is a bloated mess.
- inactive, on 03/18/2009, -2/+19Not going to happen.
- lamprey187, on 03/18/2009, -1/+18"developers, developers, developers, developers." - Sweaty Steve Balmer running around MS headquarters pondering this buyout.
- jcannonb, on 03/18/2009, -0/+15and Solaris?
- mythicflux, on 03/18/2009, -1/+15The thing about IBM is that they have a proven records of supporting open source. I would actually trust IBM's handling of MySQL more than Sun's.
- 3242130193, on 03/18/2009, -0/+14It's significant because IBM has the best JVM in town... by far. Plus a lot of Sun software like OpenOffice could use some polishing up from an awesome company like IBM. I think this could be a very good thing....
- diggopolous, on 03/18/2009, -1/+15Wow, finally a great article in the Unix/Linus category that is a compelling read other than another "year of the LINUX desktop: Refreshing.
- Bradillac, on 03/18/2009, -0/+14UNIX and Solaris already kill Windows in the server world.
- sodoh, on 03/18/2009, -1/+14"Bye bye open office, Java"
IBM already use Open Office in Symphony (free as well). I doubt it is bye bye at all.
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/ ... - Feenix566, on 03/18/2009, -4/+17Hahahaha! That's the funniest post I've read today. Thanks, man, that was hilarious!
- sodoh, on 03/18/2009, -0/+13This is digg. Most people here think an Enterprise market is where you can buy star trek stuff. :)
- Feenix566, on 03/18/2009, -0/+12From the article: "The deal would strengthen IBM's position as the world's largest server maker. According to the research firm IDC, IBM had 31.4% of the market last year; H-P was second with 29.5%, and Dell third with 11.6%. Sun ranked fourth, at 10.6%."
If IBM acquires Sun, that will give them 42% market share in servers. HP and Dell aren't going to merge to try to compete with IBM. This merger would firmly plant IBM as the world's server maker. That's what they're trying to accomplish. MySQL, Open Office, Solaris, and Java are minor footnotes in the deal. - kingbyu, on 03/18/2009, -1/+13The problem with an Apple/Sum merger is then they would have to call the new merged company Snapple.
- MacEnvy, on 03/18/2009, -0/+11That's how it usually works in takeovers in the short term.
- seandaly, on 03/18/2009, -0/+11So ***** Sun as long as you get ZFS on Distros?
Why would you want Solaris abandonded? Have you used Solaris 10? Ever work with an M-series system or T-series? Solaris also kicks serious ass on X64 systems, especially Opterons.
I'll tell you what... When a GNU distro can take a single-socket system and run 64 compute threads, up to 64 LDOMS (Logical domains) or a crapload of containers, effectively allowing me to consolidate literally 30-to-1 or more web servers of the same size onto a single U / Single socket system, maybe I'd be for dumping Solaris.
Until then, I'd rather see AIX dissapear. - miketiger, on 03/18/2009, -0/+10The IBM WebSphere application server would be lost without Java retaining support.
- nicktomyskins, on 03/18/2009, -0/+10I guess holding out on selling sunw for 8 years, losing thousands of dollars, letting my shares reverse split, and letting it change names to java finally payed off.
- sodoh, on 03/18/2009, -0/+9IBM already have their own JVM implementation for years and at least a couple of years ago (when I tested it) it was faster then Suns. Don't think there would be much difference now.
If it did happen would be interested to know if they would open source it.
IBM also has Symphony which is fork of Open Office wrapped in Eclipse with some other extras. - VitriolAndAngst, on 03/18/2009, -1/+9IBM is a better and bigger supporter of JAVA than Sun is.
- Finsternis, on 03/18/2009, -0/+8IBM gets ZFS. Now THAT gets interesting.
ZFS is the most amazing new technology for UNIX since Linux. I will watch it take over the world. - Tmac90, on 03/18/2009, -1/+9And Open Office
- acknotSW, on 03/18/2009, -6/+13The irony is, when bill gates tried to sell MS dos (or was it the first version of windows??? Can't remember right now) to IBM, they laughed at his price and told him there was no money in software.
- MacEnvy, on 03/18/2009, -0/+7VirtualBox rocks. For a free product on the Mac, it's remarkably close to the performance of VMWare Fusion and Parallels, at least for non-production work.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 03/18/2009, -0/+7And SUN would help them about ZERO in that regard.
This is about Sun's IP and server market. Also, probably about controlling JAVA, which IBM depends upon. - HonoredMule, on 03/18/2009, -1/+8Both have a strong reputation in open source, but then there's also Sun's history with Java and Star Office. Given such good intentions but poor execution in other core businesses, and the very telling departure of MySQL's founder shortly after its sale, Some blue overlords may be just what the doctor ordered.
On top of that, transferring ownership of ZFS and other important solaris-based innovations into the hands of a more pro-Linux company could work out very nicely as well. - Hydraulix, on 03/18/2009, -0/+7"solaris is really an antiquated nix."
LOL, compared to AIX? Solaris 10 smokes AIX as a server OS. IBM needs to lose the "mainframe in mind" concept. You can't honestly say that JFS is a better FS than ZFS. And don't even get my started on dtrace. If any OS is antiquated, it's AIX. - bproven, on 03/18/2009, -5/+11Interesting given the history. Honestly, i was kind of rooting for a Apple/Sun merger since Apple could learn a bit about enterprise/servers from Sun. However, this probably makes more sense overall.
- nonymous666, on 03/18/2009, -2/+8Expand? Let's start with how java.util.date has been almost entirely deprecated. The way dates, and times, and Calendars are dealt with is a big bloated fat mess.
- bigteebo, on 03/18/2009, -1/+7Better yet, year of the OS/2 desktop!
- inactive, on 03/18/2009, -0/+6It used to be common in headlines to be all caps. it is allowed.
- nonymous666, on 03/18/2009, -0/+6IBM also has WebSphere (J2EE application server), along with Rational Application Developer, essentially, the IDE for Websphere, which is a modified Eclipse.
- UselessTrivia, on 03/18/2009, -1/+7God I hope not. I can't think of two corporate cultures that would be less compatible than Sun and IBM...except for maybe Sprint and Nextel. Look how well THAT's been going.
- inactive, on 03/18/2009, -1/+6I hope they fix Openoffice...
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