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- barius, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36Step 1: Open wallet.
Step 2: Realize that you already own WinXP.
Step 3: Close wallet. - peteroth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23It's always nice to see TR do these types of reports because they include the low, middle (sweet spot!), and high end configurations across all their tests so you can be sure you're going to see things pan out for your possible build scenario. TR's reporting always feels comprehensive. Nice work.
- jimrooney, on 10/12/2007, -4/+201) Open wallet
2) Realize your computer works just fine the way it is
3) Close wallet - nathanson666, on 10/12/2007, -14/+29Well why don't you just marry TR then?
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I use linux every day without recompiling my kernel.
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13that comment was funnier the first hundred times
- UserAgent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Step three: make her open the box
- rjn17960, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I use Linux every day for my job and have been using Unix-like OSes since the late 80s, and have built many many PCs, for both operating systems.
There's no way I'd want to use Linux as my main OS on my home system. Just too much of a pain in the butt with unsupported hardware. I recently tried to build a workstation with Intel Core Duo and an Intel 965 mATX motherboard, and the app I needed to run required RHEL3 due to gcc issues. Good luck trying to get RHEL3 working on a recent motherboard! The installer wouldn't even come up.
What's nice about Windows is that (mostly) "it just works", and there are tons of apps written for it: games, office suites, photo editing software (i.e. Photoshop), the list goes on. Linux fanboys always point to equivalent packages, but they typically don't really cut it. OpenOffice doesn't come close to the usability of Microsoft Office.
Linux is good at some things, Windows is good at others. Pick one based on your needs. - doubleshot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Ever heard of driver support? Course I know the answer to this question, but... guess you didn't read the article, did you?
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You forgot "grab your ankles"
- Sp1k3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Yes, because just about anybody can run out and buy a Mac Pro on a whim.
- AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Probably true for the 32bit version of Vista.
However, as stated in the tech report article, the 64bit version of Vista requires all kernel mode drivers to be signed!
Not even an administrator can install unsigned drivers in 64bit Vista.
Only the most mainstream of companies (NVidia, Ati, Creative Labs) seem to have gone through the certification at this point in time.
I have a motherboard with a c-Media sound card built in (very common actually). It is not supported by Vista64 due to not being signed. Neither are a whole bunch of Raid adapters, network cards and other peripherals.
So be warned. - Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Step 1. Do nothing special.
Any PC made today can support Vista, assuming it does not use extremely obscure hardware. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7They already do every time you use your computer. You don't even get the rig. What kind of deal is that?
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This isn't just for vista(named due to time frame) TR puts on regular guides to building systems.
- repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS GET YOUR ATTENTION
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4WOW REALLY? I BETTER GO THERE RIGHT NOW.
- Sp1k3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5With that setup you could run easily run Beryl or Compiz on Linux, and while you may not care it would run better.
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8here's a much simpler guide:
1) get a computer that's at most 3 years old
2) install Vista - AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4joe you have to press F8 every startup to continue to use the unsigned driver, not just once to install it.
Also turning off the driver signing check puts the kernel into debug mode (the whole reason MS allows you to turn it off is for driver development). It will run much slower and will disable all the DRM stuff required to play protected media. So no way to use an unsigned soundcard and play a HD-DVD. - lonnieh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"6. Re-Boot in Leopard to continue getting work done."
like e-mailing friends and family and commenting on digg - sTiVo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Well... You could run out and buy a brand-spanking new PC to run Vista at a tolerable pace, once you've surrendered your digital rights over to Microsoft that is, or you could breath new life into any old PC with Ubuntu and live free. The choice is so difficult it seems."
I'm sure that on digg I'll get slammed, but oh well. I tried Ubuntu and thought it wasn't that great. It was still hard to use and difficult to install new programs. I ended up sucking it up and putting XP back on my computer. I'm a geek, but also really enjoy easy to use products and Linux still feels like you need to be a computer programmer to use with ease. - Sp1k3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@STKD
That will not be true for any newer distributions in the very near future that use x.org 7.1.1 and above like Ubuntu Feisty Fawn which will not even require a xorg.conf and will fully auto detect video hardware and kernel modules. Fedora Core 6 already does this btw - Sp1k3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Well... You could run out and buy a brand-spanking new PC to run Vista at a tolerable pace, once you've surrendered your digital rights over to Microsoft that is, or you could breath new life into any old PC with Ubuntu and live free. The choice is so difficult it seems.
If you're a gamer and the native Linux games and all the games that you can run in WINE don't suffice, you could always invest in a console, it's cheaper anyways. - pathy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Vista also includes DirectX 9.0l - This is what will be used to allow Vista to play DirectX 9 games.
Currently NO games that are released use DX10, and certainly, none that come out soon will be DirectX 10 ONLY. They'll all have a DX9 renderer in there. Look at Half Life 2, it supports back to DX7.
Also, the changes to the graphics cards won't matter - Go and take a gander at the 8800s, and see how they perform under XP. Guess what, those are DirectX 10 compliant cards. - barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3haha, I posted nearly the same thing as a reply further up before I scrolled down to see your post. Great minds think alike. Or at least, those with a budget...
- MotionAesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4People forget about the great Windows freeware applications: foobar2000, Midget, and Jeskola Buzz are three reasons why I won't switch to another OS. Whenever I have a stupid whim, I can find a freeware application to satisfy it – and it's likely that it only works in Windows.
Not to mention the games, but that's been discussed to death.
I'm leaving Vista at the moment because I run XP so it functions and looks like Windows 98 (minus the crashing!). I don't want to relearn how to disable all the dogs, balloons, popup, effects, pointless services, etc. I don't care what it looks like – my desktop background is usually plain black!
Oh, and that guide is fantastic. My current rig is based on their October 2006 Sweet Spot. - whiterajah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I thought Leopard wasn't going to be out for another couple of months. You guys know something I don't?
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5...on windows
- Sp1k3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Pathy who insulted Microsoft? I didn't say "M$" or say anything that was juvenile or unfair towards Microsoft, I was just making a reference to the inordinate amount DRM that is embedded in to Windows Vista. If simply pointing out such unpleasant facts upsets you, or leads you to believe that I am a bad person, then so be it...
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The article wasn't bad. Except they didn't include the e4300. I don't think the e6400 is a better deal than that, if you plan on overclocking.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2[quote]I would let Gates, Jobs, Ballmer and whoever else violate me for that rig.
At the same time.[/quote]
That's what they're already doing with Vista, and you won't even get a rig out of it.
Install Vista, get raped. - Pegritz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm currently running Vista Home Premium on my HP Pavilion that I bought last August, and I haven't had any problems with it at all. The machine *is* fairly recent (a 2.4gHz dual-core AMD Athlon processor, 2gb RAM, 300gb hard-drive, GeForce something-or-other video card), and so Vista doesn't have a problem running on it whatsoever. In fact...it seems as though Vista runs a little bit *better* than XP did on the same machine. The only drivers that I had to install myself after installation were for my SB X-Fi Platinum sound card, and even though the drivers are listed as beta releases on Creative's website, they run perfectly fine.
However, I've been running the Vista release candidates on my "test box" (a 1.8gHz, 512mb beater from around 2002) for at least three months and it ran perfectly fine even on *that* old beater. It was certainly *slow*, but not unusably so.
I will note, though, that upgrading an XP installation to Vista is a Major Pain in the Ass that can lead to all manner of craziness. I did it just to see how it would work, and when I started running into odd driver conflicts and whatnot, I just wiped the machine's hard-drive and did a clean install of Vista. Worked beautifully after that. *Shrug*
It's a decent OS. I like it a good bit. Is it better than XP? Well...kind of--a number of features (such as ubiquitous search) are pretty handy, and the MS apps that ships with it (such as WMP 11, for instance, which is the only one I use with any frequency) work a LOT better on Vista than they did on previous Windows versions. But is it an essential upgrade? Not really, unless you just dig shiny new things like I do. I certainly wouldn't complain if my next computer comes with Vista pre-installed. - sTiVo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with you. Anyway, someone looking to build a new PC, Vista or no, can use it as a great starting point.
- CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6You know those people that stand on the street corner yelling about how the end is near?
Yeah, those people use linux it seems. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2[quote]Okay, that may be an over reaction, but please, what DRM? There's hardly an over abundance of it inside of Vista, or if there is, please show it to me. I've obviously missed it![/quote]
Here it is from MS's own site:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/pcdesign/TPM_secure.mspx
If you don't understand what that is, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003882.php - jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Steps
1. Buy 8Gigs of Ram
2. Overclock a quad core Core2Extreme to 6Ghz
3. Get 4 SLI'd 8800GTX's (Or r600's Whatever floats your boat)
4. Download Torrent :p - pathy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I would let Gates, Jobs, Ballmer and whoever else violate me for that rig.
At the same time. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They forgot:
0. Get a second mortgage on your house to pay for the shiny new quad xeon you need for vista to run as fast as win2k. - grossag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31 gig of RAM seems a little low...2 gigs seems to be at least what you need if you're doing a little more than just going on the internet
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12> How to build a PC for Windows Vista
1. Visit http://www.ubuntu.com and download and install what you find there, free of charge.
2. Through the sheer joy of your experience afterwards, forget all about the ***** that is Windows
3. Live happily ever after. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5WELL ***** said Sir!
- Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1agreed!
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I suggest the article just tells you to "build a new PC and run Vista on it", as most Vista-specific features that would require different hardware in conformance with MS spec (which isn't even something you can really do yet) are ignored.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2When somebody mentions Linux, remember to digg them down - otherwise people might see what they get to say, choose Linux for themselves and be happy...
...and we wouldn't want that now, would we? - stormlrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1put simply..
this means that Microsoft have put themselves into the same arena as Linux has been..
Even though this has been the case since XP. The amount of stories I have had related to me about how this device or that device (scanners and printers mainly) just didn't work with XP and "I had to go buy new ones" is/was astounding.
This means.. zealots.. That NO ONE can use the argument from EITHER camp EVER again.."Windows Works on All hardware" or "Linux works on all hardware". Pure Rubbish.
The mere fact that this article was written / had to exist means this... Anyone wishing to use a computer will have to research the right hardware that will be supported and compatible BEFORE purchasing it and AFTER deciding which operating system to use.
if you do this... you will find all these rubbish whinges about "oh this didnt work on linux" or "this didnt work on xp / vista" will just.. go away
Educate yourselves and stop crying. Choose the OS you want and make it work by choosing the right hardware for it. At least you are getting CHOICE back!!!!!!!
Oh and before you go off at me about "existing hardware" - why should I care? MS obviously doesn't.. They WANT you too keep upgrading your hardware.. its been a working model of theirs and intels forever and a day. So ... new OS.. New hardware.. sort it out already. - mkjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not bad, but Core 2 Duo is surely the way.
- thatmusicjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It was great to read this article. I just built my PC a few months ago and it looks like it's right between the sweet spot and high end stuff.
Vista here I come... - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yes. Stop trolling. Im pretty sure that most people's computers can handle this OS. I know mine can, and it's over a year old.
It's not uncommon for a new OS to bump up the standards. It happened with XP, it'll happen again. Not the end of the world. You're having a little linux fanfest in here. - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This is ridiculous. You shouldn't have to build a computer or get hardware that is up to the operating system's specs. The operating system should be built for the hardware, not the other way around. Am I the only one that sees this?
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