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- Midnightrambler, on 06/19/2008, -10/+162Anyone else think that pic was hardwood flooring?
- explnx, on 04/27/2009, -5/+125*Whew*
I misread the description as "The next stage for Intel processors? - Integrated DRM." - devin_mm, on 06/19/2008, -7/+68Dugg because it was something actually interesting, not the usual BS on digg.
- vector66, on 06/19/2008, -0/+54Thanks, it's good to see this type of articles again on Digg!
- supermanly, on 06/19/2008, -0/+43C'mon AMD, stay competitive, I don't want a monopoly here.
- RealmDown, on 06/19/2008, -0/+42They are here sometimes.
- inactive, on 06/19/2008, -0/+33where are the quantum computers?
- tinkafoo, on 06/19/2008, -0/+32Yep, I'm a nerd. I clicked on this before I clicked on the g-spot story.
- MarkusX, on 06/19/2008, -6/+3810x faster than nowerdays CPUs? Sweet!
- eidetic, on 06/19/2008, -0/+21I see what you did there... maybe.
- dblespresso, on 06/19/2008, -0/+20I suspect they didnt promote it because it may not be manufacturable. There could be expensive additional mask steps, thermal disipation, or yield issues. Other companies include Dram through a stacked die which allows the dram die to be manufactured and tested in an optimal setting for memories.
- VSKBadCRC, on 06/19/2008, -0/+19Sorry to burst your bubble, but a lot of them already do these things, especially laptops.
- mizarone, on 06/19/2008, -0/+13Actually by 1999 the Coppermine version of the Pentium III had full speed L2 cache. However, it did take about 10 years to put that cache on the die is because to took ten years to make the transistors small enough to fir everything on the die. It looks like that DRAM on the die will be for replacing some of the SRAM used to the cache (L3, L2 levels), not shunting some of the system memory onto the die. I wouldn't want that much memory on the die anyways, that will produce tremendous amounts of heat.
- Asrrin29, on 06/19/2008, -0/+13I'm uncertain.
- Mohonri, on 06/19/2008, -0/+13I think you may have hit the nail on the head. The article notes that the DRAM concerned requires more power than the SRAM that is currently in common use. Considering the fact that power dissipation is one of the limiting factors in CPU development, adding a bunch of power-hungry DRAM may be impractical (though still very cool).
- dougvfr750, on 06/19/2008, -3/+15It doesn't seem like much, but this would be an amazing innovation in overall system speed
- Charlotte_Web, on 06/19/2008, -0/+12FTA:
"A small research team inside Intel succeeded in reducing the size of DRAM cells to only two transistors and completely removing the capacitors. Conceivably, these two achievements could change the way how we will use DRAM in the future: For example, expensive and complex SRAM (static RAM) cells could be entirely removed from a CPU and replaced with DRAM."
Sounds new to me. - PueSi, on 06/19/2008, -0/+12You mean like AMD's Cool n' Quiet and Intel's Speedstep?
- eengineer, on 06/19/2008, -0/+12Shh.. Don't give them ideas. I can see the RIAA/MPAA approved media center pc featuring the Intel CDS* chip with integrated DRM now.
*CDS = Can't Do *****. - 44Bigs, on 06/19/2008, -3/+14Old news.. Bitboys Oy 'had' this in their 'GPU's' ten years ago!
- dafragsta, on 06/19/2008, -1/+12In 1999(ish), someone decided it would be an awesome to put full speed L2 cache on die instead of on a riser card or on a PCB attached directly to the CPU. It took ~10 years to think that putting the memory on the die might be an equally good idea. C'mon guys. Even TGI Fridays realized you could put Jack Daniels sauce on anything and make it better pretty early on. Getting as much processing and memory power on the same die would DEFINITELY remove a lot of bandwidth bottle necks. So what if the dies will be an inch square.
Ok, that might be oversimplifying things a BIT, but this had to be obvious. - synwolf, on 06/19/2008, -0/+10I'd buy it.
- brownspank, on 06/19/2008, -1/+11More like glazed tiles, actually. And the reflections look like church windows.
- Wargasmic, on 06/19/2008, -1/+11Nowerdays.
- secrity, on 06/19/2008, -0/+9People rely on spell checkers to do there proofreading four them.
- MonkCanatella, on 06/19/2008, -0/+9Whooosh.
- strictnein, on 06/19/2008, -0/+8I heard Infinium Labs is going to use it in their upcoming console.
- tripledjr, on 06/19/2008, -1/+9*HEAR
- strictnein, on 06/19/2008, -0/+7i am boycotting the caps lock key from here on out
- Wargasmic, on 06/19/2008, -1/+8The next innovation at Intel! It's the 1000 core cpu that you tile on your floor.
- chrisduser, on 06/19/2008, -1/+8When they can simulate the universe in real time and real time ^ 10, and so accurate that they can predict the future. At this point, the universe becomes conscious and the laws of physic become of her control.
- mattbatt77, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5I thought Nahalem was suppose to integrate some graphics on the CPU core and of course Larrabee, though starting out as Intel's attempt to create a dedicated GPU to outperform NVIDIA and ATI will eventually also have components on CPU's as well. This is what I have gathered so far at least . . .
- Suricou, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6Comfortable in their pools of liquid nitrogen.
- burnedtubes, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5No one has seen them yet to force them to make up their minds.....
- franl, on 06/19/2008, -0/+5The article says "This approach would completely change the programming model since there are no longer any concerns over cache misses."
Since 99.99% of all userspace code is written without regard to cache misses, how exactly does this "completely change the programming model"? - RussellDovey, on 06/19/2008, -1/+6They're over there... No wait, they're over here too... Hmmm.
- MadOgre, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4I though it looked just like my kitchen...
- sexybobo, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4The article also said the 45nm will make it easier to do. It might have been a head of its time as in the idea was great but they didn't have the technology to do it but there have been a lot of advances in technology since it was first conceptualized
- phoenix3200, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4SRAM is far less efficient as the size is reduced. It's likely that, when comparing the two, DRAM is beginning to look like a better idea - not that the process itself makes it any easier.
The masking problem isn't present - the purpose of the booth was to show that DRAM could be integrated without additional masks. - smoothmann, on 06/19/2008, -0/+4Californeeway?
I hear they have a whole mess of innernettes over there. - LebenOjanen, on 06/19/2008, -4/+8tripledjrtripledjr : Thanks, it's good to see this type of articles again on Digg!
THIS!! - johndisko, on 06/19/2008, -2/+5Oh come on, don't bash the guy, it's a legitimate question/ponder even if it doesn't have to do much with the subject..
peace - hollyminkowski, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Getting everything closer together is so important now that cpu speeds are getting so high.
Got to feed the beast as quickly as possible and external bus wiring is so last century.
Heat is the one big problem...how do you get the heat away from the silicon fast enough.
Replacing silicon wafers with the more robust diamond wafers would help since they are much more heat tolerant. Cultured diamond manufacturers are improving wafer creation, but the quality/quantity/price is just not there yet.
A 3d block with lots of cpu cores and integrated dram and many other hardware parts that are now spread out on a motherboard is a logical step. Something like a 256 core, terabyte dram processor block with active cooling and optical data I/O ports is in our future. A super-computer building block.
The block's only physical connection would be 2 wires to feed it dc power....as low voltage as possible to help with the heat problem. Someday when the power requirement for such a processor assembly gets low enough it might not have any physical connections at all and be powered optically or inductively. - Suricou, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Nice idea, but there is far too much software base. It's an option for gameing platforms - hence the PS3 and it's Cell. Less so for PCs and servers, unless you include an x86 backwards compatability that really defeats the object. Look at the transition to x64 for example.
- Arkz, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3You mad? AMD are great! both companies are! i still have my K6-2 and Pentium MMX and they both work fine at their blazing 400MHz and 233MHz!
- celkin, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3Duke Nukem Forever > Crysis
- Wakkyweed, on 06/19/2008, -1/+4To me the article read like this:
Intel's new chip (gobble-de-gook) processor generation 65 (absurd tech spec) technology that holds the potential to (jabberwocky) reduce the size of DRAM cells (more absurd tech specs) in contrast to (something to do with 2 transistors as opposed to 6 transistors) and in conclusion (technical specs about bandwith) chips will be faster. - sk11, on 06/19/2008, -1/+4Cache memory has been there for years now, this is just a step further. A real leap would be integrating a dedicated graphics core onto the system cpu. Weren't amd and ati discussing this very thing?
- Suricou, on 06/19/2008, -0/+3The programmer might not have to worry too much about misses, usually. But the optimising compiler certinly does.
- cnosal, on 06/20/2008, -0/+3Note that's 10x improvement in cache performance, not core clock speed.
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