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- DiabloD3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11My nick predates the opening of Blizzard Entertainment, let alone the creation of Diablo (the world's worst Nethack clone). You're one of thousands to associate my nick with that game.
- ylikone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Hmmm... i've lucked out then, as all I ever buy is verbatim super-azo CDR and DVD+R media. Come to think of it, I can't remember ever going back to an archival CD/DVD and not being able to read it, as many others seem to have experienced.
- Gundam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That's what I thought, especially since others have done more in depth guides. http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
- LethalGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wow, No.
Quality of a compressed video stream is dependant on bandwidth, the encoder, and the decoder, and DAC in whatever player your using (less you have a DVI/HDMI connection, then it's the display's).
The physical media format of a DIGITAL video has nothing to do with quality. The same video will come off a HDD, DVD-R, DVD+R, USB drive, or whatever media has the capacity for the information. - dynacrylic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Interesting article. What caught my eye was your username... D2 is probably the lowest form of mindless-clicking, which is way I probably play it.
- ahill7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Very thought out article. I've often had to discuss things like this with co-workers. Sadly, I go the exact opposite of the article, since CD-R are so cheap, I just burn vast amounts of backups/archives using the idea of quantity over quality; instead of spending money for higher-end media. Bad idea? Maybe.
- mantlepro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5+R format was developed by rogues who wished to compete with -R. I am in the digital video industry and we've always used -Rs because of compatibility issues.
I would love to see what HD does to this equation. Hey, while we're on the subject, isn't it about time for a better (more reliable) portable media storage solution? - Linh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5you're obviously doing something wrong, as all I've burned is DVD+R over the past couple of years w/o any issue.
I went + mainly because I could mess w/ the booktype though. The players I came across had trouble with both +/- w/o setting booktypes. - sigloiv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah...JeffDM is right. DVD-R has no better "video quality" than DVD+R. The quality purely depends on the quality you set it to encode at.
- toomuchgreentea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Too many criticisms stated as facts without details of the implementations' impacts on actually product in field tests. Give me the statistical analysis instead of arguments in theory ... otherwise this is only a well-written spam pushing a single product and company.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3FYI, Verbatim's DVD+R's are made by Taiyo Yuden. At least, some of them are.
- FantomCircuit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have stayed away from DVD+R because of the supposed compatability issues with dvd players etc.
Have all these been ironed out nowdays? Should I be getting DVD+R as the article suggests? Will my pants turn purple? - hamage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4+R might be technically better than -R but that is splitting hairs. -R is cheaper and for any practical purpose it is just as good and sometimes better than +R. Also with -R, if you have an old video player you don't need to worry about setting Booktype .
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Taiyo Yuden is awesome. That's what I've been using for the past couple years.
- archlich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's interesting to note he doesn't mention tape (ew) or hard drive back ups. For lots of information, it's almost as economical to simply buy hard drives for archiving purposes. It's still expensive, but doesn't suffer the problems of cd's/dvd's. (speed and damage to light)
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5See those funny links to the media he "recommends" at the bottom? Those are Commission Junction affiliate links.
- matthewsr2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The 'egg has TY media in stock under the TY brand name. $30 to my front door a day later! as soon as the spindle I'm working on runs out, I'm gonna get some!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010100071+50008330&Subcategory=71&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
(no I'm not affiliated with them in any way, just really happy with the service they've given me...) - spliffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3strictly tayo
- Bitgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's the first time I've ever seen anyone say +R media is superior. I've always read in tests that -R is slightly more universally compatible between players. Maybe that's just not the same as the article's points, but that'd what I always used as a rule of thumb.
- spliffy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6who cares? he wrote a pretty good article and at least they are relevant.
- m0shen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the 'egg is usually good for hardware... but their media prices aren't that great. (plus no 16x taiyos)
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have seen video players refuse to read the DVD-R discs created by my set top DVD recorder too. And both formats are the same price if you stick with the same manufacturer, or buy your media on sale.
- JeffDM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just use hard drives. I keep regular backups on a local external drive and a second backup on a computer elsewhere in the building, which has a RAID-5. I don't have a desire manually change media. Even with Blu-Ray, there's far too much media changing to make it worth it except for the absolutely most critical stuff. I guess in the end, any media would be fine as I would only be worried about short term playback for someone else.
- Gundam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Verbatim uses TY and Mitsubishi.
- funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5All the links are spam. Do not click unless you want to give the spammer pennies per click. Yawn.
- m0shen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3better prices on taiyo yuden media w/ low shipping costs:: http://www.rima.com
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The last time I checked sites like http://www.videohelp.com/dvd
DVD-R was 93% compatible and DVD+R was 89% compatible.
(Neither is perfect, but DVD-R seems a safer bet if you cannot research the type of player the disc will be running on ahead of time).
That review may not be taking booktype settings into account, which would raise the DVD+R compatibility by a couple of percentage points. - Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2that was a well-written advertisement for Taiyo Yuden.
- bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you have something important enough to archive it seems stupid to me to rely on *just* optical media in the first place. Go with at least two formats and you won't have to worry about if one craps out; even with all these fancy guides it's still a game of roulette when you deal with optical media.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The +R format was developed by rogues who saw the technical shortcomings of the -R format when it came to archival uses of the media.
At the consumer level the compatibility issues are a couple of percentage points different, and the majority of consumer devices now can handle both formats. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That issue was resolved over a year ago, at least.
Most modern drives that support DVD+R can also change the bitsetting for the media to read as DVD-ROM, which is more compatible that either +R or -R, and was the main reason some of the older DVD players would refuse to recognize DVD+R discs, it was not the media that was the problem. - curlednoodles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3meh, the writer sounds like a spokesman for Taiyo Yuden. Buried as SPAM
- fractalhorizon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This article has a very well written argument in favour of DVD+R over DVD-R for archival purposes. My personal practical experience is somewhat contrary to this theory - I generally find DVD-R to be a lot more compatible, more reliable to burn and produce considerably fewer coasters. That said, Taiyo Yuden is definitely the way to go.
- saifatlast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You're archiving data, why is compatibility with your DVD player important?
- DiabloD3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If your stand-alone player won't play either DVD-R or DVD+R, its time to replace it. Virtually all players manufactured in the last year will play both fine.
- JeffDM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Better video quality? Where does that come from? Compatibility maybe, though I have a 1st gen DVD player that plays everything but DVD-RAM, though I haven't tested DVD-RAM. Other early DVD players may not be so lucky, but any recent unit should run all +/- & R/W permutations just fine.
- JeffDM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think most discs made in Japan is likely to be Taiyo. But I'm not certain but it that's probably the quickest weed-out factor as I recall that T-Y doesn't actually put their name on any of their discs. To be more sure, you'd have to put the disc in the drive and have a program read the codes stamped into the disc. Even then, that's not sure-fire as I've heard of fakes that stamp the T-Y's manufacturer code into the disc.
- JeffDM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Gold Archive Grade, which they capitalize, but understandably don't abbreviate it to GAG.
- mydigglogin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"DVD media cannot use gold due to design issues"
Really? What about the MAM-A Gold DVD-Rs?
http://www.datamediastore.com/goardv.html - Kallius, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I've gone through 3 DVD burners in the last 3 years. Each one was a dual format burner, and each one crapped out shortly after doing a number of +R's (-R's never had a problem). It's happened too often to be coincidence.
And when I say "crapped out", I mean the laser has become hot enough to permanently throw off the tracking mechanism, so everything I burned thereafter ended up being a coaster.
I wouldn't use +R's even if I received a free spindle. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4DVD-R still delivers better video quality then +R.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0good ideal
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