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- spengy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+105I know I certainly don't give a crap about either of them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+56HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray.
Whoever wins... we lose. - cockmaster, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44and companies are gona put their movies on a non-DRMed disc..BECAUSE..?
- Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Whichever one has it's CSS Encryption broken first wins the format war.
- Rhine23, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I think you are going for HVD (holographic versatile discs), which if released sometime soon would blow BR and HDDVD out of the water. Think of the pr0n!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I'm pretty sure that the only reason Microsoft is backing HD-DVD is to mess with Sony's PS3 strategy.
"Oh wait, you hoped that the Blu-ray drive will convince some people to buy your console? Well, now we'll create doubt in the minds of consumers over which format will win out in the end! Competing with the biggest technology company in the world is a bitch, ain't it?" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32Agreed. A DVD does its job quite well for me, I have no reason to upgrade.
Having said that, there's supposed to be a new optical media in the works that blows both formats out of the water, and which could be released pretty soon. I can't remember the name of it right now, but man, if it does come out soon, I hope it wipes out the competition. The amount of data it's supposed to hold is massive! - Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Um, stop modding him down--he has a valid point.
Imagining that DRM is somehow an intrisic part of the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD format, and that it wouldn't be added to HVD is incredibly naive.
DRM will continue to be added to all new media formats until (if/when) the market completely rejects the idea of DRM -- and I don't see that happening for quite a few years. (Perhaps when people's itunes songs stop working?) It will take some time for people to realize the restrictions that are being shoved on them.
DRM started with DVDs. It will continue with blu-ray, hd-dvd, hvd, *VD, etc. AND it will get more restrictive. Yay. =( Meanwhile, other countries less mired in DRM world will have some wonderful advances in the use of technology. - festivalman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Sony has done so much to piss off their customer base in the last 5 years, I'd rather go without any hi-def disk type than buy anything Sony at this point.
- tsunamisteve, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18For what it's worth, the Blu-ray demo unit at my Best Buy looks absolutely awful. Up-converted standard def looks better. All story and plot aside, maybe Hitch is a just a bad HD movie.
- omegadan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16It's no wonder, look at how badly they've screwed the whole thing up. You have to buy an HDTV, I did! Oops, doesn't support HDCP! So I have to buy a NEW HDTV, then I have to choose Blue-Ray or HD-DVD or Both? Will these DVDs be full of advertisements? Because thats why I stopped buying the *OLD* DVDs. I am tired of getting burned with new *EDITIONS* of DVDs as well. You really like a movie, so when the DVD comes out, you buy it. Then 6 months later they do a new transfer and release the new and improved transfer ... Why couldn't they do that the first time?
- eklass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14that's WHY you get DRM "up the ass"
if you pirated more, you'd realize the tubes are full of DRM-free formats - sonicdevo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20In all seriousness, I'm excited about the HVD discs. They seem to have the potential for superior capacity to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, and aren't encumbered by the DRM issues.
There's no way you're going to get me to fork over money to restrict my own rights, that's why I won't ever buy HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. HVD is the consumer-friendly choice. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Well we've all known this for a while now. The consumers are the real losers of this little war.
- dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Why mess with mountains of vaporware removable media that can get scratched when the next generation of huge USB hard drives are available?
- luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Did anyone notice that the article really didn't give any real info on HD-DVD besides the lack of content providers in films? All it did was place quotes from specific (unbiased?) professionals that claim Blu-ray is going to win.
From what I understand HD-DVD doesn't have the potential capacity that Blu-ray does, but currently has a GREATER capacity than the first wave Blu-ray discs. Also, the backwards compatibility is much easier to incorporate in HD-DVD players than Blu-ray: an important aspect in trying to get a foothold in the hi-def market.
Finally, the prices are not equal. I just went to bestbuy.com and checked blu-ray prices versus HD-DVD:
Blu-ray = $1000 : HD-DVD = $500! Now that's gonna make a difference. - AaronMT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Regardless of the format that prevails, it still will not convince me to drop everything in my hands and run out and purchase a current gen $1000.00+ machine and over $30.00 dollar (10 year old) movies (Terminator 2, Fifth Element etc).
- cool8man, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"I believe Blu-Ray will win over HD-DVD. Why? Don't believe there will be 1-3 million HD-DVD drives sold in the next 2 years. Sure a good part of PS3 wont know much about Blu-Ray, but hey they know what it looks like and are using it(games)."
By this logic UMD movies should be a success. Just because people have the PS3 hardware doesn't mean they intend to buy Blu-ray movies for it. There's like 16 million UMD playing PSPs in the world and yet all the major retailers are dropping UMD movies because nobody is buying them. - skoles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10There was a review posted here a while back that stated the first next-gen drives, weather it be hardware or disc security related, take up to almost a full minute before you get to the movies menu screen.
- TheSite2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Here's my issue with the Blu-ray game format. I work at a video game store, and i constantly deal with snot nosed little kids who can't get the idea in their head to take care of their games. I see games more scratched up than possible. It looks like half these little kids are trying to eat them, and some of them look like they could constantly go for a snack, but i digress.
The more information you put on a disk the more volatile it becomes, and seeing how kids take care of games these are going to get ruined easily, now we have a disk resurfacing at the store, but i wonder if it will do any good. These machines do great jobs of repairing DVDs but it can still leave small smudges or scratches, and if these disks are as volatile as I've heard then there will be a stack of PS3 disks in the back of every video game store.
And lets say they can be repaired. Then my company better raise the price of resurfacing a disk! - Ray_Justice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Just a quick trick that works sometimes, If you completely stop the movie (make sure its not on resume) and press the menu button (or top menu, or title menu) it will skip all the FBI warnings and previews and shoot you straight to the disc menu. Doesn't work on all dvd's though.
- AaronMT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Out of curiosity, are both formats stocked with an array of advertisements before you are permitted to skip to the main menu of the disc?
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And it's already been compromised.
- whackaxe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's not about the format, it's about the DRM. I know I wron't buy into a format which restricts my fair use (I don't pirate music or films and I still get DRM up the ass!)
- pmuessig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@qurk
Replace "RPGs" with "cut-scenes" and you're right. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7just goes to show how much the placebo effect can work with HDTV...
- imacyco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I am not going to bother with either of them until the price of blank media drops close to today's +/- R media. I could care less about HDTV, my laptop plays DVDs fine and I am not a videophile.
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9No. Microsofot likes HD-DVD because it plays into their "Living Room strategy".
HD-DVD provides GUARANTEED managed copy. Blu-Ray SUPPORTS managed copy but doesn't guarantee it.
Microsoft wants a computer in your living room (or hiding away providing back-end support for your xbox 360) serving up movies, photos, and of course, FOR PAY content. With high-speed internet, and a dominance in the living room, they could replace the cable company for many people. A whole new market full of money for them! - Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Of course both support such lovely features. They have MORE DRM then DVDs -- not less.
- Ray_Justice, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12The funny thing about that is the dumb-asses that set up the blue-ray player at the best buy you are talking about probably hooked the damn thing up with a composite video cable and/or have the resolution set at 480i.
I do custom home audio/video installations for a living and I can't tell you how many customers of mine have upgraded to HD cable from the local cable company and when I go over there to make sure everything is working properly and to re-program their universal remote, The stupid cable technician still has the box set at a standard-def resolution (ie. 480i or p). I ask my customers what they think of the quality of the HD channels and they say, looks great! I then say, well check it out now because now it actually IS in HD. - bjdraw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They both use AACS
- festivalman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This has to do with the very slow box that the first hd-dvd player is running on. Instead of being a player with specific chips for the job, it's just a pentium 4 computer that has to boot up and do random other stuff you wouldn't normally associate with a standalone player. It all stinks of something rushed out the door.
- luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13@ Ray Justice
So you're kinda an ass to your customers? Wow. It must be amazing have a sarcastic guy come and install your recently bought tech toys. And then he goes and makes you feel like an idiot. Great job. I want you to come install my HDTV and perifs. - Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yeah, not quite. The real winners will be the hard-disc manifacturers. Us common folks will just buy a big hard disc to download the high-detail movies on to.
I seriously doubt that everyone is going to buy High Definition television sets and HD DVD or Blu-ray players -and- DH DVD or Blu-ray movies for tons of money while their prices are still high. High prices are the reason why most people refuse to pay for stuff they can actually download. At least, until a classic appears that one just really needs to have originally.
Your reply should be: Whoever thinks they win, has actually lost. - P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -13/+18-15 diggs, A shame, because he is right.
- qurk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Ya, but isn't the X-Box 360 addon just for movies? From what I understand it's not going to utilize the new discs for games. On the other hand, PS3 games will obviously be utilizing the blue-ray discs for games. I may be missing something... cause that seems like a big deal.. Because in PS1 vs N64 the storage capacity went a long way...namely in RPGs.
- sonicdevo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I'm not naive enough to think that there won't ever be an HVD disc with DRM, but look at the list of corporations in the "HVD Alliance":
As of February 2006, the HVD Alliance comprises these corporations:
* Alps Electric Corporation, Ltd.
* CMC Magnetics Corporation
* Dainippon Ink and Chemicals, Inc. (DIC)
* EMTEC International (subsidiary of the MPO Group)
* Fuji Photo Film Company, Ltd.
* Konica Minolta Holdings, Inc.
* LiteOn Technology Corporation
* Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Company, Ltd. (MKM)
* Nippon Kayaku Co., Ltd.
* Nippon Paint Company, Ltd.
* Optware Corporation
* Pulstec Industrial Company, Ltd.
* Shibaura Mechatronics Corporation
* Software Architects, Inc. (?)
* Suruga Seiki Company, Ltd.
* Targray Technology International, Inc.
* Teijin Chemicals, Ltd.
* Toagosei Company, Ltd.
* Tokiwa Optical Corporation
Now, admittedly, I'm not very familiar with some of these Japanese companies, but I don't see any major entertainment/software names in there. It just seems as if HVD isn't being designed around DRM, the way that the other two are. - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There is a moderation system in effect-- use it.
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I personally think that digital distrobution will take over, just give it some time.
- WonkerSmack, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Ehh...You are the conceptually challenged moron. First of all, most people that own HDTVs don't have 1080p resoultion, they have the capactiy only for 720p, (and 1080i, and all the lesser standards) so the most common res would be 1280 x 720. The current HD DVD player out from Toshiba doesn't even have 1080p support right out of the box anyway. Ohhh...I get it...you work for Toshiba. How much do you get paid to make posts like this?
- TheKackler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Of course blu-ray is going to win... that is what the Porn industry is using.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/02/pornhd/index.php?lsrc=mwrss - chainsawd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why not use them as storage? Not everyone wants to carry around hard drives. If you accidentally drop the hard drive, it's broken. If you drop the disc, it will likely survive.
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I dug-down the parent -- but thinking about it, it may have been a tongue-in-cheek comment about how much wrinkles and aging show in a hi-def format. Harder to hide those signs of humanity when you don't have a blurred picture. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anyone else think they'll both just fail, and people will keep buying normal DVDs?
They still sell VHS, ya know.. - ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, Microsoft didn't give you any other options except buying a 360 when they discontinued the Xbox.
And at only $100 more, nobody is really forcing anything on us.
You don't have to buy it. Simple as that. - albrad84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I was thinking about buying one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16855182001
It's a 2.5" hard drive enclosure that can play *most* audio and video formats (including straight dvd images) and has several output ports, including composite, component, digital audio out. So with a big enough hard drive, you could carry around your whole dvd collection with you.
Apparently the video quality is quite good, but I think I'll wait for a 3.5" version - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3of course there's no ads before the movie. yet.
remember back when dvd first started to gain steam? you had the trailers hidden in a submenu. it was great because you didn't have to fast foward through them all to get to the movie you actually pay to see. then you had them play on startup once most people had ditched their vcr and jumped to dvd. it was still nice because you just hit menu and you were at the main menu. if you wanted to watch the trailers the first time you watched a movie, you could; if you wanted to go to the menu, you could.
now we're worse off than when we started with vhs, you're locked down and told "you're gonna watch these ads for movies we want you to see, then we'll get to what you actually paid for. so now they once again have ad-free movies, only it's on hd discs now to get you to buy into the new formats. - KMartSheriff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I could not agree with you more. HD-DVD seems like a quick fix compared with Blu-ray. Everyone just got their DVD collections built up, and DVD players are cheap and everywhere (even in cars!). DVD will be around for a while, but Blu-ray will be the one to come into the light once DVD is phased out. Blu-ray will need to drop in price ALOT before this happens tho. How long all this will take is yet to be said.
- bjdraw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Both formats use AACS which is LESS restrictive than CSS. Or are you saying you won't buy a format that has DRM that hasn't been cracked?
CSS doesn't ever allow a legal copy, AACS does.
CSS doesn't allow output over analog above 480p, AACS does. - ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You have to admit that he has a good point.
Comparing UMD to Blu-Ray is not similar AT ALL. UMD is for personal use on a PSP, while Blu-Ray is for actual homer use. Not only will other players be out, but people are getting a Blu-Ray player within their PS3's as well.
Even if 1-2 million of those who have a PS3 in the next couple of years buy just 1 Blu-Ray movie, it will be more successful than HD-DVD. -
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