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- JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Are 120 Hz TVs the equivalent of Monster HDMI cables?
- ph1sh55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It will actually be a significant difference if you use it as a computer monitor, where you have source content thats > 24/30 fps (games specifically).
running 100 fps @ 100 Hz w/ vsync on is already beautifully smooth (halflife games seem to be the best at this). - battleroyalex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sounds pretty awesome but not cool enough to blow the extra cash on. I would love to go over a friends house and use theirs though ;)
- szplug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It could handle MV48, that is, 48 frames per second which is pushed by Roger Ebert. Search for his name, down the page a few times:
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/archives/archivesmail/mail79.html
snips:
".. there is an alternative film-based projection system that is much cheaper than digital, uses existing technology and (hold onto your hats) is not "about as good" as existing film, but, its inventors claim, 500 percent better. That is not a misprint. This system is called MaxiVision48. I have seen it demonstrated. It produces a picture so breathtakingly clear it is like 3-D in reverse: like looking through an open window into the real world. Motion is shown without the jumpiness and blurring of existing film projection, details are sharper, and our eyes are bathed in visual persuasion."
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"We saw a scene that had been shot for Goodhill by another cameraman who likes the system, Steven Poster, vice president of the American Society of Cinematographers. Poster deliberately assembled a scene filled with technical pitfalls for traditional film and video systems: We see actor Peter Billingsley walking toward the camera, wearing a patterned shirt. He is passed by another guy, wearing a T-shirt with something written on it. The camera tilts down as Billingsley picks up a hose to water a lawn. The camera continues to move past a white picket fence. In the background, a truck drives out of a parking lot. Not great art, but great headaches for cinematographers, who know that picket fences will seem to "flutter" if panned too quickly, that water droplets will blur, and that the sign on the side of a moving truck cannot be read. All true in the old systems. With MV48, we could read the writing on the shirt, see every picket in the fence, see the drops of water as if in real life and read the side of the truck. Case closed. " - TalenKlaive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Most motion pictures (almost all) are filmed at 24fps. The telecine process used to convert 24 to 30 (or 29.97) results in a slight error in the resulting picture. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#3:2_pulldown_.28technically.2C_2:3_pulldown.29)
TV's with a refresh rate of 120hz dont have this problem as much, if at all. - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2well, for my TV/Monitor 60 hz is MOAR LYK 59.2 - there's always a slight loss.
- Koray, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5In short, yes. There is no reason to drop a huge load (lol) of cash on one of these unless you are some kind of videophile. If you just watch TV and movies in your living room 15 feet away from the screen you really won't be able to tell the difference from a 1080p TV.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3When I was in Europe, I saw 100hz tvs all over the place. It's pretty much the standard.
I assume that it is 100hz because Eu runs on 50hz. 120 here because we're on 60hz.
Is this something new if I saw this almost 2 years ago, and who knows how long it was around before that... - beatphats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll just wait for my HDR TV to hit the stands:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/10/03/brightside_hdr_edr/1.html - m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1^^^^ @ lormahoykyd2007
Ususally people who give too much details are just trying to convince them selves of the lie they had just told - palmer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, this is really worthwhile for watching compressed-to-hell, artifact-ridden, macroblocked "digital-quality" programming.
We have no consumer medium that even delivers material worthy of a good 720P TV, let alone something like this. - JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the link, TalenKlaive. Very interesting stuff.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1$33,000 on a television set? I'd rather have a car... If these weren't ever going to drop in price it would be one thing, but I'm betting that the price of these TV's will probably be 50% lower by this time next year.
- explodey, on 02/25/2008, -0/+0Ironically, the so-called "120hz" feature on these tv's make the SLOW MOVING images look the best. Fast moving images tend to skip and leave trails.
- codyfrisch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes its 29.97. But it really doesn't matter because...Its a technical limitation of NTSC broadcasts.
So now these 120Hz HDTV... well they can use a true 30fps, or 24fps or 23.976.
Its all technical but in the end it really doesn't matter. - EelfinnTy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you read the article you learn that there's also Sharp's 65-inch 1080p LCD for $11000, JVC's 42-inch LT-42LC95 720p for $3038, among others.
- HDperfectionist, on 05/28/2008, -0/+0FYI, I took that POS back to costco and bought the XBR5 from best buy. I was able to haggle with the sales guy and got like 900 off list price. the TRUTH is that COSTCO advertises a 120Hz motionflow picture on the sony that they sell, but it has the Bravia EX engine (garbage), this engine does NOT do 120Hz, isnt that false advertisement? Anyway, the XBR5 has the Bravia Engine Pro, which DOES put out 120Hz and the picture is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Screw you Costco you scam artists!!
- KeroseneHat, on 12/16/2007, -0/+0No doubt a great innovation and consumer-adoptable 10 years from now.
- HDperfectionist, on 05/02/2008, -0/+0I spent 3000$ on my Sony 120Hz 1080p TV. I got the TV at Costco because of the stores kick ass warranty and return policy, which would cost about 600$ extra at circuit city or best buy or competitors on top of the already overpriced TV's.
I am a bit angry and debating on returning this TV. The processor in this TV(whatever it is) seems to max out when motionflow is set to high. The screen skips now and then and can ruin a movie. I sure as hell did not spend all that money for a crappy viewing experience. Blu-rays look great yet skip, HDdvd's look great yet skip. If I turn the cinemaflow feature off or to auto 2 (set at auto1 default), then the skips go away, but then I lose some of the 3dimensional breathtaking picture. What I want to know is can I add some RAM to my TV or something, because Sony was too stupid to put a strong enough chip in this TV???? Anyone have any feedback? - thepocket, on 11/10/2008, -1/+1At CES I learned that the new HDTVs with LED backlights will look just as good if not better than 120hz TVs in terms of blurring. In addition, the LED backlit TVs should have close to a 100,000:1 contrast ratio and be only marginally more expensive than 120hz. I guess everyone is talking about 120hz because it's starting to role out. I'll wait for LED before I make my HDTV purchase.
- Riven5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@pegisys
8-12ms response time = 83-125Hz refresh rate (sort of), which is more than enough to handle a 30/60Hz signal. If you see any motion blur on that, it's either your imagination or a crappy TV. - royalcrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ok wait... I thought the human eye can't perceive much of a difference at all past 60 Hz... wouldn't that in essence make this technology unfounded, or at the very least negligible? I guess that some people may perceive a difference, but I'd be skeptical of how much of that is placebo
- PotIsYourFriend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For you normal people at home this means 120 hertz means nothing to you so keep your 720 or 1080p 60fps HDTV's .. Honestly, if you want gaming go with a 360 or ps3...
- g3buz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@javertHolmes: exactly. This is marketing bunk.
- lormahoykyd2007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I think I can afford the one from Sharp. To think i was gonna drop 9K on a computer with the wonderful DirectTigers triple monitor setup with this semesters excess student loan money.
- mentok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2ph1sh55 is right, there will be a fairly substantial advantage for gaming. Also the current Sharp 52" started out at $5,000 so by this time next year I bet that the 120Hz models are down to today's prices for the 60Hz models if not lower.
- JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1About the argument in the article that 120 Hz is a common denominator of 24 fps and 30 fps, isn't the 30 fps actually 29.97 fps? Is 24 fps some other multiple other than 24 to make this argument rational? Is it 30p instead?
- PotIsYourFriend, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@OVeRide
You'll be waiting awhile my friend.. LED is garbage at this time.. Stick with a front projector... - pyite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Heh, that is exactly what it is...
I have to agree with Ebert, the problem is with 24 frames per second. 60 would be better (if only for compatibility with ATSC), but 48 is a step in the right direction.
Filmmakers should actually shoot in 120 frames/second so they can show the final movie in any of these frame rates... but that sounds really expensive. - JD52, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4So "crispier" it will burn your face off.
- pegisys, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Such high refresh rates don't make much since on LCDs since most of the time they are limited by response time. Most HDTVs are still in the 8-12ms range, with cause an artificial motion blur, in games this lets the frame rate be even lower before you start to notice any stutter compared to CRTs
- dorianh49, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Fine. Digg me down, but at least provide an explanation.
EDIT: Nevermind; supposedly, this link - http://208.65.153.253/watch?v=zx2ytr2Oyv4&eurl= - will explain it. If only the video would load! - dorianh49, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2I'm sorry, but that is not a hair-related question.
I still don't know what that means, BTW (except that it has something to do with "ATHF" and "bomb"). Will somebody PLEASE explain this to me? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -25/+2but will they blend?
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