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- Santaferra, on 04/29/2009, -1/+128*Cuts off left arm* I'm in.
- JohnDo, on 04/30/2009, -2/+102If a guy from Google said it, then they're probably already in the works to make it happen.... just sayin'.
- mentallyinhell, on 04/29/2009, -0/+100You mean we could own the tubes?
- DrLogan, on 04/29/2009, -1/+78Just an arm? psh..my first born has been back talking me a lot as of late..
- Salif, on 04/30/2009, -1/+65wow, we could have like, capitalism..... amazing
- Bukowsky, on 04/29/2009, -1/+63Hasta la Vista, Comcast!
- hooah212002, on 04/30/2009, -3/+47Americans can't comprehend how we COULD do this......
Euro's can't understand how we DON'T do this...... - Thinderella, on 04/30/2009, -0/+41I'm kind of confused about this (I'm from Europe. This doesn't mean I'm confused because I'm from Europe, I'm confused because I don't know how this is dealt with over the pond).
The way they are stating this is that, if I understand correctly, in America the cable from your home to a POP is owned by an ISP. So you cannot change service providers?
I most likely completly misunderstood it, but if I didn't, isn't that complete and utter bullwank? Right now I can chose between any ISP that I want as long as they have access to my region (which, urban, is all of them). Wouldn't it be a (regional) monopoly if only one ISP could service one region? - notoriousbob, on 04/30/2009, -1/+42yes, that is correct. the majority of americans have only one broadband provider each
- twiz514, on 04/30/2009, -1/+37Yeah, ***** empowering everyday consumers! They should be protecting corporations, right?
- tgc1, on 04/30/2009, -0/+27A whole series of them.
- Hobbsies, on 04/30/2009, -1/+27That's how you get a choice of providers: by owning the cable that runs to your house and having a say in the fiber for your city or town.
- lepetitmousse, on 04/30/2009, -0/+26this isn't TED.
- sodade, on 04/30/2009, -3/+25Because corporations have a death grip on everything.
- SerenityV, on 04/30/2009, -0/+20It's mindsets like that which hold back progress. :(
- pault107, on 04/30/2009, -0/+17Indeed. As a resident of the UK I find this all very confusing. I can have whatever ISP I like as long as they operate in my area. I can choose between literally hundreds.
- Biks, on 04/30/2009, -1/+18I'd give free beer for a year to anyone who can install fiber to my home. And I'm pretty sure I could get my girlfriend to blow the guy while he installs it.
- AbsurdParadox, on 04/30/2009, -1/+18Can you imagine a world with actual free-market telecommunications? Connection speeds would sky rocket, and prices would drop, due to market competition.
- inactive, on 04/30/2009, -0/+15well you have no other use for it.
- Oddish, on 04/30/2009, -0/+15Way to pay attention.
- minoss, on 04/30/2009, -0/+14Hah, like the government is going to allow competition.
- Engival, on 04/30/2009, -0/+12Thinderella, in North America (because it's like this in Canada too), you typically only have 2 lines running to your house. One phone company, and one cable company. Where there is more than one cable company in a region, they make a deal between themselves to split the territory so that a single address only has one choice.
There are 3rd party ISP's, but they have to rent the lines from the big guys who own the lines, effectively forcing a minimum cost of their service. - GraceMolloy, on 04/30/2009, -0/+12"(cheap/fast/easy to use/etc)" sounds like the woman of my dreams ...
- hblask, on 04/30/2009, -12/+24I don't want to own copper wire, or fiber optic cables, or any other gizmos.
I want someone to run those to my house and maintain them and upgrade them.
I want a choice of providers, so that I can pick the best (cheap/fast/easy to use/etc). - spiralspirit, on 04/30/2009, -3/+14your mistake is that all people share common goals but this is false. The cable companies are interested in charging you as much money for as little bandwidth as the market will allow for your connection. The media companies are interested in locking down your connection and your rights as much as possible to protect their revenue. the great majority of consumers would like their access unrestricted and unmetered and at competitive prices.
so you see the people involved won't act consensually because they don't share the same goals. Saying "Why can't we all be friends?" is pretty useless and naive based on the history of human interactions. - rancemo, on 04/30/2009, -5/+14Why can't free people just interact in a consensual manner? Why is government threats and/or violence the only way?
- Paal, on 04/30/2009, -0/+9in the USA, more often than not, you are locked into a specific ISP for broadband internet service -- we can use whatever dial-up service we choose though!!!!
- Paal, on 04/30/2009, -0/+9True free markets FTW!
- Meekus, on 04/30/2009, -0/+9I have zero issue with taking full responsibility with the content that would go through my pipe. I would then venture to say - who has a right to listen to a pipe that *I* own as my property?
- torgreed, on 04/30/2009, -1/+9But why would you need internet afterwards?
- happyMensch, on 04/30/2009, -1/+9The only way this would work would be if the government used its Eminent Domain rights to buy the cable from current service providers, and then charged ISPs for the right to offer their "internet provision service".
- Paal, on 04/30/2009, -0/+8@spiralspirit
your mistake is believing that people with opposing goals can't come to a consensual resolution
my goal is to save money and the grocery store's goal is to make money -- somewhere in the middle, we'll agree to a mutually agreeable payment for our transaction, if we don't, i'll shop elsewhere...
...the same cannot be said for my interaction with my ISP
rancemo is not suggested that we all be friends, rancemo is merely suggesting that we should be allowed to pick our friends, seeing as how we're all consenting adults - Scira, on 04/30/2009, -0/+8Over here you are lucky to have more than 1 ISP per area, I have heard some areas do not even allow 2 ISP's of the same connection type to operate in the same zone.
For example where I live, you can get Netzero (dialup), Clearwire ("up to" 1-2 mbps) and Charter (5-10 mbps) - arbulus, on 04/30/2009, -0/+7where I live you have one ISP and that's it. And no one region has access to multiple ISPs. What ISP you want to go with depends entirely on where you live. For example, one county west, you can get Time Warner and that's it. You cannot get comcast. One county north, you can only get Comcast, and you cannot get Time Warner. And apparently there's some sort of deal that prevents each ISP from coming into the territory of the others. There is zero competition and absolutely no way for there to ever be competition.
- InRaged, on 04/30/2009, -0/+7You're not confused about anything. So far as I understand it (I live in California, USA) is that it's not a monopoly technically because there are indeed other providers. At the same time, the situation is such that those other providers might be likened to some form of fish while Comcast (in my area) represents a shark. They're much bigger and arguably much better, to the point that even if they screw you on prices or some other way, your options are still very limited otherwise.
- Scira, on 04/30/2009, -0/+6How is that different from now? People still get caught doing illegal stuff on connections they don't own.
- AntiMrBabyman, on 04/30/2009, -0/+6you are asking the wrong questions.
- thcobbs, on 04/30/2009, -0/+6Doesn't count if its rubber and you keep it in a drawer.
- deslock, on 04/30/2009, -0/+5Meekus has it entirely.
They would need a warrant to "tap" your internet connection which requires a judge to agree to the charges and there won't be any more of these group "John Doe" lawsuits. - zjbird, on 05/01/2009, -1/+6way to leech off the leecher zjbird...
shut up troll - tnoy, on 04/30/2009, -0/+5Google has already spent hundreds of millions buying fiber over the past decade.
- inactive, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4O RLY?
http://savencbb.wordpress.com/about/ - flammablewater, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4Yes, that was exactly the point of his talk. I'm so glad you were able to read between the line and reveal his evil intentions. You are clearly the smartest person here.
- Thinderella, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4It's about the same here regarding the 2 lines, Telephone and Cable (TV / Internet etc...). The lines themselves however are property of the city you live in, ISP's only own the equipment to connect users to the internet, atleast as far as my understanding goes.
Seems a bit weird that it's privately owned. Ah well. - DiggCommando, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4The only real solution will be massive ad-hoc networks with some next generation version of wi-max. DARPA is already doing the research to make this viable. http://www.darpa.mil/ipto/programs/itmanet/itmanet ...
- Vivifyer, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4thanks for clearing that up :)
- 0tis, on 04/30/2009, -0/+4Co-op has a hyphen in it, I thought you were talking about chickens :( Sorry, but I really didn't understand for a second there.
- ViscidGobs, on 05/01/2009, -0/+4Does your girl have teeth?
- pault107, on 04/30/2009, -0/+3He is a very monotonous speaker.
- Nevarius, on 04/30/2009, -0/+3Sounds like there's more competition between companies, hopefully bringing prices down while offering more services. Verses how our (US) companies have what amounts to regional collusion, keeping prices higher while offering less or substandard service.
I'm i guessing correctly? -
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