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- sshack, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30adding horsepower to a mustang is great.
But have they made one that can turn yet? - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22$20 says that they are professional race car builders and they probably took the length and conditions of the race into account in their selection of upgrades.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24Is it just me, or are most Mustang drivers total douchebags?
- desistere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13A race concerns which driver is the fastest. Being the fastest will not win this competition so it should not be called a race. Furthermore, it shouldn't steal the name of Canonball. The Canonball Run was a real balls out cross-country race. This is just a test to arrive at a certain time.
It's kind of like when concert promoters took Woodstock and created a new concert. Except the new one was not about peace and love, but profit and anarchy.
Digg me down, but racing is more dangerous than drunk driving. The higher the speeds, the more likely the fatality. People with real driving skills prove it on the track. (preferably not oval-shaped) - sshack, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17I can guarantee you you haven't.
My 1960's mgb out corners a 2007 mustang by the specs. In the real world, the american cars
are all about 1-2 seconds behind even the 68bhp midgets at our track events.
I'd probably say, since you own a mustang you have no idea what a corner is. I took a few friends
through my winddown route, two were in american muscle cars they ended up about a minute behind us.
What a corner looks like. Sheer cliffs and switchbacks. We got a ferarri 430 up to 60mph max along this road. The lotus elise with us got up to about 65mph maybe more. It's much smaller.
The mg midgets actually fared better than the ferrari - it's a much smaller car.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=48.491412,-123.530359&spn=0.038794,0.042658&om=1
Face it, you bought a mustang. Go cruise, but don't even pretend you own sports car. - elroy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It's improved over previous versions, but it's still a solid rear axle, not an independent rear suspension.
The mustang's never been about making a true sports car -- it's about cheap torque, for drag "racing" (measuring acceleration). Truck engine in car chassis. - DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You're comparing a US$1,000,000 car to a US$60,000 car.
Dude, your frame of reference is whacked. - desistere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9If safety is your goal, the more materials that break off and the more the car crumples, the safer it is. Ever seen an F1 car crash? Everything breaks apart except for a roll cage around the driver. Simple physics.
What you call being "built like *****" is what makes the car light and nimble. That's why the EVO only needs 300 hp to have the same acceleration numbers as a 600 hp mustang. - Robstah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Only 600 crank hp? I know about 5 local Mustangs that are over 600 crank hp. As for cornering, it is true. American cars suck at corners/handling. They are boats. Period.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Damn thats more hp than a z6 vette.. but its still a ford.. so of course id take the vette.. This guy should stick to making S7's that car is a monster.
- Domza, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Thats what you think, but if you took your 07 mustang to what we Australians call twisties, you'd either be dead, or nursing a broken car. If you've drive an exceptional handling car like a Skyline GTR, or even an RX-8 the difference between the handling of a Mustang and a car built to corner is daylight.
Mustang, great looking, fast in a straight line, hopeless everywhere else. Much like Australian V8s. just because you lower a car doesn't mean it handles better, its still a boat at the end of the day. - sshack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+825-65 in 3 seconds? Christ man. My 17 year old jaguar sedan does that in less than 2.
I used to think that even if american cars couldn't turn, they could at least go fast in a straight
line.... Guess I was wrong. - DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Since we're talking Mustangs, here's my 1967 Fastback: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wefPjZzFAy0 . Forgive me for the music (I hate that song; I didn't put the video together).
Many people, mostly Europeans, fail to get the point of muscle/pony cars. The Mustang GT is a 300hp car that fits four people and costs US$25,000. That's freaking peanuts. The appeal of Mustangs has always been customization by the owner be it through factory option selection or the aftermarket. A few bolt on parts can yield 400-500hp easy, or for the same money invested in the suspension you can have a fantastic track car (look up Mustangs in Autocross events and you'll see just how well they can handle*).
Finally, anybody comparing a Mustang to an Exige is stupid.
* IRS is a disadvantage in straight line acceleration. - LordSkippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@FoxifiedNutjob
The Saleen Mustangs are made on the Mustang chassis. They get 6 cylinder Mustangs from Ford, then upgrade the suspension, a custom ground effects/body kit, and then replace the engine with a modified Ford V-8 engine. The engine compartment in the new Stang's is bigger than in my '95 GT, and there are plenty of the SN95's out there putting out more than 600 HP on modified Ford V-8s. - fearofcorners, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Domza: The notion that you're going to to be dead if you drive a mustang on curvy roads is straight-up retarded. You could take a 20 year old work van with broken suspension on any road you like and be fine. You just can't go as fast.
Anyone recall the Top Gear episode where they race an Exige and an '06 Mustang? The Exige was a good lot faster around the track but not by leaps and bounds. Yes the mustang was driven by the Stig, but the Exige is a track-day car known for exceptional handling and has semi-slick tires to the mustang's all-season radials.
Sure, early muscle cars handled like shopping carts, and everyone loves to point that out. The mustang still isn't that great, but it's not anywhere near as bad as people like to claim.
The other thing worth pointing out is that the vast majority of drivers - even the really aggressive ones - never push their cars hard enough in the bends to demonstrate a major difference between comparatively good and bad handling. - Domza, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Further proof that a American auto makers and tuners' heads will explode if they see bends.
- sshack, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7> Many people, mostly Europeans, fail to get the point of muscle/pony cars
Because they have corners in europe. Also, europeans have a history
of doing more with less. See: elise with 200hp absolutely slaying 600hp+ mustangs.
It's a cruiser. That's cool, we get it. It's just when silly americans pretend their cars
are sportscars that we get riled up. - soupnrc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8@20 says that Sinner and Willynilly have never heard of Saleen before. These cars will not break. NOW, not to say that some wont get wrecked.
- drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3As opposed to:
http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2173617/ibm-amd-follow-intel-45nm
'Cause Media Player 11 really kills timing with it's additions. Don't even like thinking Vista for racing anything. - chip0wa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i understand your concept... but they are a pretty fast car for how much you are paying...
- AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The Ford GT40, Which wasn't really an american car, most of the components and work was foreign, I believe the Chassis was designed, built and tuned by a british company, the breaks and suspension was Italian and the body was british, about the only american thing that went into the car was the Ford V8 taken from the Ford Galaxie.
The new GT again is not really an American car, the steering rack is from an aston, i believe the breaks are made by Brembo etc etc, and it'd beat a ferarri on the straights, it'd be left dead on a track. - sconeofstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not even close. The fastest Mustang would be the P-51:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P51 - DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2SwissCamel: "American muscle cars are a lot more attainable for the man in the street than most European cars will be to Europeans."
Absolutely. Even hot European cars are more attainable in the US than they are in Europe. I'm an American living in Munich and recently looked into M5s in both countries. Assuming US$1 = 1 Euro, it would cost me 10% more to buy the M5 in Munich - and it's made just a few km away! Add the difference in exchange rate in and the M5 in Germany costs a whopping US$36,000 more than the same car in the US. - DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You'll notice that all these rallies/races have the same mention of not exceeding the speed limit in the FAQs, regardless of where they're held. It's a means out of legal trouble if somebody hurts themselves or someone else. Make no mistake, all these events are about going as fast as possible.
- Harbinger67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, on a track, the GT can take a 360. That's what it was designed to do. It's more or less a dead heat with a 430; slower in the corners but makes up for it in the straights.
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> a "do not exceed 25 to 65 in 3 seconds" sign
i think what he meant by that was the sign would restrict all cars to a moderate rate of acceleration, more to the likes of vans/trucks/tractors..
if he had mentioned "Maximum Speed Limit 65 sign" would you have assumed he was implying that a mustang cannot go over 65 mph? - AICkieran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I should imagine they're built for reliability as well as speed, the more tuning you do, the more likely it is something to go wrong, and the more likely that thing will be expensive to fix. Plus i imagine building 25 mustangs is expensive as it is without pushing them into the stupidly tuned arena.
And i agree, American cars are barges, Id rather have a TVR Cerbera >3, F430 or an M5, but, I've always had a soft spot for mustangs (even though I'm British) since i saw a '67 mustang fastback in the flesh. - toyotaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the mustang is the only car that's profitable for ford, and it just barely pulls in a profit. Ford posts 12.7billion dollars in losses for 2006? that's right, billion.... with a "B"
- Badaudio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No one said it wasn't pronounced like that.
- staticten, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9to race a RALLY? a mustang to race a RALLY? what a joke? (even if it's in a straight line)
600hp or not, the cars in this competition will kick that mustang apart: (those in the know will agree with me on this)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Championship
I honestly really feel sorry for people who buy a Ford these days!! It's like saying someone's gonna overclock an Intel Celeron and race that *****!!
digg me down if you want, you know it's the truth! - borninussr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By the way on Top Gear a U.K. Evo with only 400 hp does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. So image a 600 hp Evo, it would probably go 0-60 in 2 seconds which is twice as fast as the Saleen.
- IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5The Mustang has a LIVE REAR AXLE. In other words, it's a solid block of metal, not an indepedent rear suspension. No amount of sway bars and shock towers will fix it! The Mustang design is flawed. If you rebuild the entire rear end, it's not really a Mustang anymore.
Maybe instead of saying people are stupid, you should look at your own comments. - desistere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Umm.. this is not a rally like an off-road rally. In fact, it's not even a race.
A mustang could never be a rally car because of its poor handling and the fact that it is rear wheel drive. Rally cars are almost always all wheel or four wheel drive. This car should never leave the tarmac.
The fact of the matter is that Saleen is an excellent car maker. They designed the S7 which is a very successful race car. I am sure that they have put a lot of work into making this mustang handle well. But it's not going to touch dirt any time soon. - S1ngular1ty1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Is everyone forgetting the GT40 which spanked Ferrari in Lemans for several years straight ? And the new Ford GT is faster than a Ferrari as well.
- TinFoil209, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I own a '67 Mustang so now 40 years in the making, this sounds great. We all exceed the speed limit. Yet how much will we do it coast to coast to win?
600HP sounds great to get on and off highway ramps. I never seen a "do not exceed 25 to 65 in 3 seconds" sign. Acceleration is the key. - Yashar, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10I own one. So yes.
- DrivinWest, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Some of you people really need to check out Top Gear's lap times. Two American cars, the Ford GT and Chevy Vette Z06 are in the top 15, beating out the likes of the Murcielago, Gallardo, Koenigsegg, Zonda, etc. While you're at it, try to find a car on that list that offers better performance than the Z06 for US$70,000*. How about at twice the price? You can't.
The Z06 isn't just one of the fastest cars for the price around, it's also one the fastest cars full-stop.
* Ariel Atom doesn't count. Awesome as it is for a fair comparison certain things are required; like a windshield and body panels. - kamisama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@nukewinter : yes even more than 60mph, in snow, rain, dirt, gravel ... want to try that with a mustang?
- CiDirkona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Molly Saleen, the daughter, goes (or at least went last semester) to the UofA, and we'd see the Saleen Mustangs everywhere. A friend of mine (Owen) knew her and said her daddy would regularly lend out some of the cars to her boyfriends...
I'm not a big Ford fan, but I'd take a Saleen over a Rousch (sp?). - iskevinpgay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2600HP? Why not go big and drive this one ----> 900HP on E85
http://runE85.com/turbocobra.htm
(video link under the dyno graph) - withakay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Let me get this straight... You have to buy one of the Saleen 'stangs to enter the "race" and if you win you get, erm, another identical car?
- iFindout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Steve Saleen and all the event organizers must have missed the recent memo where Pres. Bush said that we must reduce our fuel consumption. But why are 600 HP needed for the ROAD rally? I bet all state troopers are instructed to thumb their asses for this publicity stunt. What a wonderful hypocrite world we live in.
- Trevino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with exception to the ZO6
- NetCaptive, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1I think they need to change the caption to "pwny express"
- SwissCamel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3A fairly strong point being made here. Whilst most European sports cars are no doubt better all round, they also cost an awful lot more. $70,000 for a Z06 Corvette. At todays exchange rate that is roughly £36,000, enough to buy you a reasonable spec Boxster maybe.... American muscle cars are a lot more attainable for the man in the street than most European cars will be to Europeans.
Also, don't make the mistake of getting bogged down in 0-60 times. It's in gear acceleration between 40-80 and 60-100 that really set the cars apart, and that is where the Evo's and Imprezas start to fall apart. - speedfreak54, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0600hp is incredibly. no one needs that many ponies under the hood but when it is time to out run the cops that more than enough
- ultimatebadboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The Saleen cars being built for the Great American run are all hand built fords as all the Saleens are, if any of you guys have ever walked round the factory you will be amazed the built quality, its second to non, I think for the money, half the price of an M3 this car is superb and as for the handling, drive one its quite good for a two ton car and the smile factor is great.
- bubba9999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Your jaguar is out of the shop long enough to do something like that? Do you have to put it right back into the shop afterwards?
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"the ultimate bad boy rally"
600hp 0-60 in 4s
What a shame that the best the US's tough guys have to offer is a 'race' under the speed limits.
"We're tough, we're hard, but were open to family viewing."
They would be just as well off with a mini. - LordSkippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@borninussr
You do realize that "Grand Turismo" is just a game, right? -
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