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- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Overclocking is as much about the process of doing it as it is about the actual performance, it's a hobby.
- ralf1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Having once owned a 92 MM Vantec Tornado, I can assure you you don't want one in your rig unless your monitor and keyboard are on the opposite side of your house from your CPU. The thing sounds like a cross between a commercial vacuum cleaner and a small news helicopter.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7wrong place digg me down
- hockey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yeah I was about to comment "yes it'll get temps better than watercooling and only at the cost of 568 decibels" until I saw ralf's comment.
My friend's non tech wife went out and bought him a fan and the salesman sold her a tornado. Ralf1is right, those things literally are as loud as a vacuum cleaner. On the other hand while it was loud I did notice that papers on the other side of the house were being blown around, and the neighbor's small child went airborne from the wind tunnel effect the fan caused from all the CFM it was pushing. . . - TotalCarb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Ah just like the stock Prescott cooler.
- matthewsr2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i actually think that a vacuum cleaner is less noisey then the tornado. to fully appreciate the sound level that will be coming out of your case find a landscaper with one of those back pack mounted leaf blowers and stand next to him for a few hours.
- Everen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In all seriousness, when I recently replaced the exhaust fan in my bathroom, I noticed that the box rated the fan at only 89 CFM. For a split second, the idea of installing a Vantec Tornado in the ceiling popped into my head. I realize that it wouldn't be a good idea for a list of reasons (ie safely powering unit, moisture issues, etc).
It may be loud, but it would push more CFM through than the NuTone fan in the ceiling. - fre4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4yeah i call shenanigans on the daily tech review, something smells funny about it...
- willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2with that CFM, I'm thinking get a handfull of them and build a hovercraft
- HalFTW, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"While I am required to follow the NDA, the stuff up on Daily Tech today is almost worthless. Yes Anandtech was present in Tunisia (signing Non-disclosure agreements like the Inquirer), why they are posting this stuff is beyond me because their numbers are off. They must be only using the XP drivers and OS because the numbers in CF vs the GTX are very much different. So until I can officially comment on the architecture and the performance.. hold all of this as useless until the rest of the world writes about it."
- Everen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A few years ago, when it seemed that the whole case-mod craze was heating up, I shoved two of those into an old Antec full tower that I was using at the time. Until I threw on a set of rheostats, the noise created by those monsters was simply too much! Sure, I was throwing at least 111CFM through two 92mm holes in my case, but I was surely causing severe damage to my hearing. Not to mention the fact that at 100% power, with the door closed, you could still hear it 2 floors down in my home. Yikes...
After that machine exceeded its useful (for gaming) life, I (perhaps foolishly) moved to a Shuttle SN95G5v2.1. In my opinion, if you have the resources to pull it off correctly (or just plain doing it well), liquid or phase vapor for the win + few fans, large diameter, slow speed.
- TotalCarb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ fre4 & halftw
Yup, you two are way smarter than all the other industry insiders who have said for months now that r600 is a failure. As to the people who say that it's ridiculous to buy an 8800gtx because no games use it to its full potential, way to overlay your nearsighted life onto everyone else's. Just because you have a puny 19" screen doesn't mean someone with a 24" or 30" screen can't use a 8800 to its full potential, or two of em. If $500-$700 makes you squeamish you should get a better job or a less expensive hobby. - abcdefghij, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3what's pre-done? you want to stick the fins one-by-one for the heatsink? or do you prefer soldering each component to the PCB for the videocard?
- Sonic_Molson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm waiting for the day where manufactuers create passive hardware that does not require fans. It seems that all they're doing now is creating bigger heatsinks and adding bigger fans...my old ti4200 had one small fan and only took 1 AGP slot. Older cards that I've owned had no fans.
It's ok if there are aftermarket fans for the overclockers like in the case of this article, but I think basic hardware should start fan free. Because you know soon enough your hard drives and ram are going to come stock with fans. - fluxion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol. the tornado. when i brought it to fry's electronics' return counter the guy just looked at me, asked "too loud?", then gave a sympathetic nod.
does push quite a bit of air though. but then again, so does a jet engine. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No offense but do you wear a cape and your underwear on the outside? Does your utility belt come in different colors?
- SundayBrunch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1remeber also, that without fans you can leave you case open, so try and find out what the temperature will be without fans and an open case? I know that my 8800 gts runs much cooler with the case open.
- SundayBrunch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1does anyone know what the tempertures are like without any fans at all??
- Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@playthev
LOL that link is from jan the 1st! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looks like it would be too big to stick another card in for SLI.
- SomaSynth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?ATT=14125063&CMP=AFC-SlickDeals&Item=N82E16814125063
That's one example, amongst many. You do have a choice. - HottSquad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0SuperFarStucker, are you really, honestly, that much of a dumbass?? Seriously. Are you gonna say that the DangerDen waterblocks do nothing for overclocking the card?? Or, in your words, they are "*****". You, my friend, are a total idiot who probably shouldn't be worrying about how to cool any system, but maybe on how to better educate yourself and learn 'HOW" to properly watercool a system.
The waterblocks made for the 7800/7900 series cards, and the 8800 series cards, and ALSO the Tyee blocks for the ATI cards, are some of the best, if not the best waterblocks on the market. Get your ***** straight before you comment so you aren't giving others wrong information.
Both myself and my roommate(since he has to copy every damn thing I do) use DangerDen waterblocks on both the CPU & GPU in our systems. Previously, I had used Swiftech blocks, and going over too the DD blocks gave me about another 3C cooler temps. So if you do happen to know anything what so ever about watercooling, you will then know, a 3C drop is pretty damn good. So ,uch for a "*****" waterblock huh?? My 7900 GTX card, which I run 24/7 clocked at 725/1840 runs idle @ 35C, under full load after hours of gaming, it never hits higher than 44C max. This is on a loop with only a CPU & GPU block, running on 1/2" tubing, with a 450GPH Hydor pump, a dual 5.25" res, and a 2 x 120mm DD Black Ice Extreme rad. So you still wanna sit there and claim DD blocks are *****?? Pull your head out of your rump and educate yourself.
As for those BFG 8800 series cards, they are HIGHLY overpriced. Like someone else said, go buy the 8800GTX card for $450 - 500, and hit DangerDens website and get the waterblock for $140, and install it yourself. Add another $5 for a tube of Arctic Silver 5, and you're good to go. Even a novice who has limited experience with installing waterblocks could install the DangerDen block, it's extremely easy. Do it yourself, and save over $300 versus buying that highly overpriced $900+ BGF crap. That is insane.
Keeping on track though, with this block as with most all Thermalright coolers, is an excellent cooler for the money if you do not want to deal with the hassles of watercooling, and aren't planning on doing any heavy overclocking for competitions, which is why I initially went with watercooling to begin with.
Personally, I recommend this block. Add a good high CFM fan such as a Panaflo and you are good to go with solid temps. Sure, the Vantec will cool it down too really cool temps, but for those who have never used a Vantec 119CFM fan, trust me, they are extremely loud when cranked up. It will be the loudest fan by far and maybe the loudest piece of hardware in your system. Unless you want to go for high overclocks and want the Vantec fan in the review, I'd suggest getting either a Panaflo, Nexus, some other well known high quality fan that will push about 60 - 90CFM. It will be a bit quieter, and you will get temps that are more than suitable.
But for the novice people out there, just ignore the idiots like good old SuperFarStucker who don't have much of a clue. DangerDen is one of the top watercooling company's around for a reason. - fr8o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0looks to big?
http://customerpics.xoxide.com/viewimages.php?sku=130938&id=36
I think it IS to big, that takes up three slots and the fan is blowing up off of the card into the case, in this picture into the CPU heatsink. If you did managed to get two of these into a case I think that the bottom one would more than likely be pressed directly up on the bottom of the first one, so alot of good THAT is going to do you - ryanw1184, on 04/28/2008, -0/+0I got mine on the way, I have an EVGA 8800 gtx 768mb that I will hit around 83 load in COD4 1440x900 16x 16xQaa & as and hold around 75 frames. ( VSYNC ALWAYS ON ) I bought a inexpensive fan controller to go with the vantec fans, from what I hear just the heatsink itself w/o a fan will beat out the stock cooling, at least idle temps. I am hoping to push engine clock to 700 mhz at LEAST.
- HottSquad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0And for the poster above me, the pics you linked are of the old model. Maybe similar specs, but none the less, not the same cooler. I'll post some pice of mine asap to show how it actually fits into the case and if it actually will work for SLI setups as they claim. I am thinking from the pics I have seen, yea, it may work fine in an SLI system, but without a fan attached. Once you add the fan there doesn't look like there is nearly enough room for a second card, but I may be wrong. I'll post pics when I get a chance of mine installed.
- SuperFarStucker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It's well known that those dangerden full card waterblocks are beyond *****. For starters, it has been empirically shown that actively cooling memory does not yield a single MHz of overclockability, people have designed phase loops that cool the memory and it still doesn't improve overclockability. The only purpose of cooling memory is to keep it within thermal specifications. Second, they add a TON of restriction to the water loop which compromises the performance of the system. I believe the way to go is to put cpu waterblocks on the GPU. Then it is simply a matter of having a big enough radiator to sink the heat output. Air cooling can't really compete in terms of performance. Of course, bang for your buck, water cooling is a big joke unless you value silence.
- Loki777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0My bad. Dig me the hell down.
/shame - TotalCarb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The inquirer never had to sign an NDA. All they did was link to the same site that the engadget article linked to. The site was level505 and has since been outed as a fake along with its r600 benchmarks. Try again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/01/ati-r600-graphics-card-benchmarked-cruises-by-nvidias-geforce/
- Paithan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0If you going to water cool it, just buy a $500 8800 and get a EK or Danger Den block for $120 or so and save yourself about 100 bucks.
Edit: only saw the 900 dollar version, not the 700 dollar versions at a glance. But anyway still save some money. - Loki777, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0@cacoe
There is nothing "pre configured". It's a heat sink, a piece of metal. Purchasing a heat sink capable of better cooling is conducive to over clocking. Dumbass. - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609641+1068324927+1295318921&name=Fanless
try one of these if ur into water cooling...they're expensive but they're done right - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4or wait for the ati r600
- NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I can't see why you'd want to, but it's your money.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052 - thetaggerung, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Did I hear something about computers?
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