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- flernk, on 10/12/2007, -21/+228HD-DVD will win because it has name recognition. The average consumer has no idea what "Blue Ray" is. HD-DVD is self explanatory: High Definition DVD. It really doesn't matter which technology is better, average people buy names not technology.
- Llanowar, on 10/12/2007, -43/+130Bull, the battle has hardly even started. Most people hardly know about any of them.
- G5Unit91, on 10/12/2007, -17/+92In light of the recent story about the 8 people you meet on digg, I dugg this up before I read it.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -19/+91"Bull, the battle has hardly even started. Most people hardly know about any of them."
Agreed. I don't have a single friend/neighbor/relative with either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray yet. To proclaim either side the victor at this early stage is ridiculous. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+81@flernk:
That has a lot of truth to it. My cousin works at Best Buy and he can go on and on all day about how everyone that's not tech savvy always wants an HD-DVD to go along with their HDTV. The name simply makes it sound easier, and nearly everyone can understand that if they're getting an HD-tv, then they want an HD-dvd player to go with it, not some new-fangled technology called, "Blu-Ray." - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -18/+71I dugg up your comment before I read it, too.
- shortync, on 10/12/2007, -9/+62Wow... a 6x advantage by year end. That makes what... 108 units sold?
- TheCod, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56It is still too early to tell who will win. And it's not like this should matter much because they will just be replaced in 5 years any way.
- zyphaz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48I dugg it up because I am a follower not a leader, much like 99% of electronic consumers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -27/+66This article is utter *****. HD-DVD for Xbox 360 is an optional attachment that most Xbox users will never buy. Blu-Ray is built into PS3. At the end of the day, even if Microsoft sells a lot more total consoles (a likely possibility given the price difference and word-of-mouth), there will still be more Blu-Ray players in people's homes thanks to it being a PS3 feature.
- Lax32, on 10/12/2007, -9/+44Sony losing a format war.
I never thought I would live to see the day... - stevets, on 10/12/2007, -18/+47I know this may sound kind of fanboy-ish but I really would like to see Sony fail in their blu-ray endeavor...I still haven't got over that rootkit crap that they pulled on us last summer. Ever since then I have tried to avoid using their products as much as possible...
Viva la HD-DVD! - johnham, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28I will buy discs for as long as I can until it starts making me look like some kind of psychopath.
Digital delivery = DRM = no thanks. I'll buy my own media and do what I want with it. - trc0, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31"tell me if im wrong but i see cartrage games coming back. wont be long untill we can fit 40 or 50 gig on a flash drive there you go flash based cartage gaming weeeeeeee.."
your wrong. disc media takes about 1% of the cost of flash memory to produce. - OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27it's always fun trying to explain the difference between Blu-ray and Bluetooth to a non-tech.
- kendawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23"Once that happens, why buy a disc?"
Because the studios would ***** you and make you pay every time you want to watch the movie you bought. You know that's true. - dadioflex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Whichever format gets cracked by the pirates first will be the one that wins the format war.
- tzmguitarist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19"NAS, which everyone will have within 10 years."
And 10 years ago people thought we'd still have coaxial ethernet and floppy disks. - david76, on 10/12/2007, -11/+30Yeah, it's not like Sony has a history of failed industry standards or anything. *cough*BETA*cough*
- Varnu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22I'm sure I will own some HD discs, but they will be that last optical video discs I buy. It won't be long before we can buy a 15GB Flash Drive with a movie on it for the same price as a DVD. Or for that matter, stream your purchased HD content from a central server. Once that happens, why buy a disc?
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21"*cough* CD! *cough*
That one sure failed."
I believe the Compact Disc was Phillips. Thanks for playing though. - tzmguitarist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Actually - BETA wasn't the only proprietary format to lose the "format wars."
UMD
Hi8
HiFD
SDDS
MiniDisc
The list goes on... - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@Microdot
Average people don't buy "new and cutting edge" products. Early adopters are responsible for that and early adopters are leaning towards HD-DVD. The average consumer buy tested and trustworthy products and usually years after it has been released. If average consumers actually bought cutting edge products, we would have replaced our Betamax palyers with SD players before moving to Blu-Ray. - username9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15All this download talk is way too premature. People like to have their discs in a bookshelf or whatnot. They like to have a "collection."
It's just the way it is. - icellist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17You don't HAVE to conclude anything about this 'battle'
Especially not after reading an article written by a person who had "a year and a half ago - written an article about how Blu-Ray wins or nothing does"
The man is gonna change his opinion again sooner or later. - litolist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"You "no disc" people are living in a dream world."
It's already happening. What do you think HTPCs are for? - PhantomRogue, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20@Flenk
"... The average consumer buy tested and trustworthy products and usually years after it has been released. "
If thats the case, then the winner cant be said < 1 year into it. I bet "average consumers" dont even know what DVD and CD stand for. All they know is that they are movies and music on discs. They will look at the price and quality. When both (HD DVD and BluRay) drop in price, and the TV's to play them come inline with CRTs, then you will find a winner, not now when there are maybe 10 bluray and hd-dvd players on the market.
The Average consumer is an idiot, they just see quality and price. Will they spend that 10 bucks more for a HD movie, unlikely. So maybe they will both fail (like the Laser Disc). - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18"The Average consumer is an idiot"
I actually don't think so. Not as technologically savvy and you and I? Surely. But it is their resistance to new technology that drives the market and lowers prices. In the end, that's pretty dang smart. In any market, it's those bits and pieces that slip into the main stream that cause huge fluctuations in trends. Sony has had more main stream bad press this year than almost any other company and they are the primary pushers of Blu-Ray (especially with the PS3). HD-DVD is essentially company non-specific, so they are unaffected by bad press about Microsoft or Toshiba or Apple.
When Joe Consumer ends up buying a next-gen player 3 years from now, he will go with the name he trusts. We may only be a year into this battle, but it's already clear which name generates the most trust. Nobody has to know what the words mean to understand that. - dpl_, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Most people don't even know a format war has even begun...
- Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"Once that happens, why buy a disc? "
Optical media will always be cheaper in cost then a flash drive.
Until pure digital delivery I don't see optical media going away. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15betamax, minidisc, umd, list goes on
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@professorChaos
I'll correct you, cause you are wrong. Just because we can fit 40gigs in a flash drive doesn't mean anyone would want to pay more for one game than the system. The problem isn't the technology doesn't exist, the problem is flash memory is still way to damn expensive if people are still paying 30-50 bucks just for half a gig of it. - Krakn3Dfx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Heh... Ask the consumer, which he trusts, Sony or Microsoft. Id really like to see the results of that poll."
That might matter if they were called "SonyRay" and "MicrosoftHD-DVD", but 70% of the people will have absolutely no idea which format is supported by which company or companies.
HD-DVD will likely win due to name recognition. BlueRay is an obscure name that people will ignore because of how obscure it is. HD-DVD sounds...right, whether it is or not. I'm not going to sit here and argue the merits of each format, that's been done a million times, and it doesn't matter. Anyone older than 30 will probably remember to some extent the VHS vs. Beta battle of the 80s. VHS won, not because it deserved to win, but because:
1.) it was called VHS, not Beta, which stands for a fish or an unfinished product, which was a wonderful idea, let's name the technology in a way that gives people the impression that it's still not finished!
2.) VHS was a good 30-40% cheaper out of the gate. Initial sales figures are what drive technology, early adopters, if you're the only player in town, it's not as important, but if there are 2 or more formats, you'd better give the customer a competitive price point unless your product is head and shoulders above the other guy, which, on the surface at least, Blueray is not.
3.) In a time when the "Made in the U.S.A." pride was skyrocketing, Beta was clearly marketed by Japan, while VHS was pushed by companies perceived to be more American based. While this isn't as much of an issue now, Microsoft is perceived as a U.S. company, while Sony is very much Japan-based. Again, the effect might be negligible these days, but it's still there, although, as I mentioned before, most people aren't going to have a clue that one format is $ony backed and one is M$ backed.
I stand by my belief that HD-DVD will come out the winner, not because I believe it should, but because it's the easy choice, and as a rule, Americans like the easy choice. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It is better, because its not sony havign exclusive control over what format we use.
- markingtime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I still Like the Idea of having a box for my Media. I for one will continue buying my Media In Store bought Box form, for as long as I possibly can.
- rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19MS was really smart with their HD-DVD add-on. Since the drives are scalable, meaning if bluray takes over they can just stop making it. They also gave use the option so we could buy it when we are ready.
Sony must really be worried since it looks like blu-ray will become like the umd. They must still make 1 bluray drive for every ps3, keeping the price at a high premium.
Microsoft drop the 360 price to $300 and I will definitly buy one. Glad to hear HD-DVD is on top. - bryguy000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10That would be handy to have a bin of little thumb drives with your movies loaded on them. Until you have to dig through your thousand movies to find the one you want.
- rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11The next big question is HD-DVD or digital downloads. I just can't take the digital step, with the drm and sketchy ownership concepts. I want to be able to sell my hd movie if I want.
- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm content with my regular DVD's still, and will be for a while, considereing I only started purchasing them in 2000 like the rest of the market.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9hahah Really this same Article came form the idiot that wrote this
Zune Beats iPod: How Apple Can Learn from Microsoft’s Success
http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback156.html
This guy is so Pro Microsoft i'm not surprised he dresses in a girly outfit and Bill rides him around his house hahahah
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Sorry LEO, KEVIN, PATRICK NORTON and the list goes on saying BLU RAY is better quality period and the HD DVD sucks it's very slow and cumbersome take of it what you will - xeno439, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"HD-DVD will win because it has name recognition. The average consumer has no idea what "Blue Ray" is. HD-DVD is self explanatory: High Definition DVD. It really doesn't matter which technology is better, average people buy names not technology."
This comment doesn't make any sense. Do you use searchengine.com, or do you possibly use something called Google.com ? - rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8With the $200 360 HD-DVD drive being recognized in Windows it won't be long. : ) Not to mention bluray has an extra layer of drm.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7 Klass Compaan, a Dutch physicist originated the idea for the Compact Disc and he worked with Phillips to get the concept rolling. Later collaboration and compromise between Sony (sampling rates, etc.,) and Phillips led to the CD standards that came to market in the early 80s.
- beerpong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Don't forget that PORN decided the VHS vs BetaMax war when all the porn ended up on VHS instead of BetaMax. One of the largest studios has decided to release blue-ray porn, but the majority of the market is still undecided. By the time the porn studios settle on a format, the war will be over.
- Coffeedemon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10You didn't mention how many studios were exclusive to bluray.
I'm curious (seriously ... I don't know but would like to have some idea of how this 'war' is going). - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9For collectors there simply isn't a choice in digital. How do I collect and display my digital downloads? We loved Vinyl and DVD for a reason - lovely shelves full of our treasured possessions.
- All4not, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's better not to have a software/entertainment company also control the hardware specifications. Although it's like voting for the president... the lesser of two evils.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@ilyag
the possibility exists that PS3 does so badly and the HD-DVD option for Xbox360 does so well that the accessory out sells the PS3. In which case, your assumption that there will always be more Blu-Ray players in homes than HD-DVD players is not factual. - ZetaVu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Oh Man! I just saw who wrote the article. Enderle lost all credibility when he was pumping in favor of m$ and SCO. Of course he likes HDDVD, it's endorsed by m$
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15@Llanowar
Actually, the war is almost over. The battles are fought and won by early adopters, not by the general public.
By the time mass production hits, and prices drop down to general-populace levels, one will have won, because there isn't enough buying power in the market to allow both formats to reach that level.
HD-DVD is constantly gearing up for increased production and lower costs. They're already dominating by 6:1 as we see, and will only further that margin most likely.
But by the time the Joe-Schmo finally has his HDTV and wants HD movies, this war will have been long over for one of these companies. And most likely it will be Sony. -
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