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- randomgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29I'm getting sick of the Digg mentality lately. Everything goes like this:
This is better than a Mac
No way, Macs are better.
Dell sucks
I could do this better myself!
And so on. God, do you people really take yourselves seriously? It's a *machine*. It's a *nice* machine. Who cares about what sticker is on the box, if you really *like* computers, admire the *machine*. If I had disposable income laying around I'd buy this in a second *because I like computers*. Seriously. Get a grip. Digg people act exactly how advertising executives predict, fighting over brand names instead of the actual product. - AClayeJ, on 10/12/2007, -14/+36True that. And another reason why PCs are better than Macs. IMO
- MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26"you can build almost the exact same for half the price"
I'd love to see you find their cooling system or even there case somewhere but besides all that have you actually spent the time on Newegg.com and tried to build a system close enough to it? Well I just did and it came out to about $5,000 dollars and that was excluding there extra accessories and the guarantee the hardware will all work and be compatibly together. Please spend 10 minutes to actually build a comparable system instead of saying the same thing everytime without true facts.
A comparable water cooling system (though it won't be as good as Dell's) will put you back about $300, Zalmann Reserator 2. The processor goes for $999 at newegg and i choose two EVGA 8800 GTX cards (not overclocked) at $560 each. A 1000KW powersupply from PC power and cooling goes for about $580 on newegg and the motherboard that Dell is using goes for about $215. The two raptor harddrives go for $219 each and then you got one Seagate barracuda which goes for $309. The physx processing unit goes for $205 at newegg and the Creative sound card $65. I choose a Coolermaster Stacker 830 case for $260 (I am sure the Dell case is more expensive or close to that) and for memory it seems newegg doesn't have 1Gb modules from Samsung so I went with OCZ Titanium for a total of $551.
Total = $5,042 roughly and that is not including the 2 dvd players, Razer Tarantula Gaming Keyboard, Razer Copperhead Tempest Blue Gaming Mouse, Norton Internet Security 2006 Edition 15-months(yea i don't want it but it's included so you have to include it in the total price of the Dell and your system), the decent wiring job, time, and 1 year warranty and At-Home Service which newegg won't give you. It's not a bad deal to get it from Dell and If you had the money I'm sure you'd have no qualms about letting someone else build it for you such as Dell. - theRIAA, on 10/12/2007, -12/+24comparing this to a mac is like comparing a 16 wheel drag-racing flatbed to a VW bug
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10fta:
"While our review system priced out to $5799, with some tweaking an XPS 710 H2C can be yours for as low as $5,035. Although five thousand dollars is still a hefty amount to spend on a single computer, relative to comparable products from other vendors, the XPS 710 H2C is a bargain. A similarly configured machine from other major brand-name vendors could set you back an extra $500 to $2000. For performance at this level, the XPS 710 H2C is simply the most affordable game in town right now." - kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Its specs are great, it also costs several thousand more then it would if you went to newegg.
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I don't care if its a Dell, all I know is that I want it/ wish I could afford it right now.
- turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/go_np6260.html
what I found funny.
CTRL + ALT + DELETE keys are placed together allowing single hand operation.
it is like admitting defeat. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@ asif5th - That's not exactly true, especially when you consider the custom combination Water/Peletier Cooling System Dell engineered for this thing. The system is on the level of a vapor-phase cooling (refridgerated) setup but it's warrantied and built into a killer looking chassis. If you're they overclocking type, this thing is pretty strong... Comparable rigs would be from Voodoo/HP etc.
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Willy, it is impossible to take you seriously when you type like you're 4 years old.
x != cks.
buCKS
suCKS - Th3R1pp3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Very Cool Review!!!
Although I think they should have used the 680i.. and Faster Memory.. at least DDR 2 800
If I'm throwing away 5k on a PC I would want the Latest Tech available... ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Everyone is so stupid. "Let's not appreciate a great product simply because it's not our favorite company makes it"
- asif5th, on 10/12/2007, -15/+18Thing is, you could build a PC with comparable specs for about half this price, probably even less. Not only that, but their is quite a satisfaction when you build something on your own.
- orlyfactor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm going to invent a new acronym, IYO (In Your Opinion). No ***** it's your opinion when you type something, unless, of course, you've perfected possessing other people, which would have made the front page of digg at some point - which, it hasn't.
- jcaino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dell's is stand-alone - i wonder how easily this could be used on another system.
possibly see system pulls in the future or maybe you can order that from dell?
there's a market right there... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dell's cooling solution is probably best compared to the Coolit Freezone, which (I think) uses the same sort of setup to cool a processor. It goes for about $300.
http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=81 - apotropaic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Cheaper on newegg? Actually I beg to differ. Add all the components to you cart and you'll see that isn't true at all!
- LaTechTech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have to agree with the article regarding the XPS 710's mammoth size. I did not get the liquid cooled version; however, mine has the same dimensions. I thought the PC I built with liquid cooling was big. I crammed everything I could into a Cooler Master Wavemaster - (TAC-T01), but this beast is insane. "Not everyone's decor can accommodate a black monolith." This thing reminds me of the following link...http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/46/2001.htm. If you buy one of these it should come with a monkey suit, bone club, and a copy of 2001: A Space Odyssey.
- bsdfree, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10As someone who has looked into nearly every PC cooling system possible, this system is good, especially from someone like Dell, but by no means as good as a phase change system. Peltiers are very inefficient, so they either suck up a ton of power (and I mean several hundred watts to a thousand) or won't get you below ambient (room) temperature. Phase change, (what the above poster calls vapor-phase) though expensive, can get you to well past -50 degrees C. The disadvantage is that a ton of insulation is required (to prevent moisture from condensing on the outside of the system) and most Phase Change systems can only cool one part at a time (meaning either CPU, graphics card, or motherboard). But still, phase change is much, much better.
In any case, it's nice to see high performance PCs like this getting to the mainstream (at least to the mainstream manufacturers), but it still isn't comparable to what you could do yourself, and it's a huge ripoff. I bet they make a 50+% margin on this thing. Who are they targeting? Ultra-hardcore gamers who can't even go to newegg, buy parts, and put together a computer? I wouldn't have thought there were such people, but I guess the fact that companies like Alienware, Falcon, Voodoo, etc even exist is proof that there are.
/rant - bblades, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5$5k for a gamer rig... uhh for that money you can get a PS3, a 360, a Wii, and a decent pc capable of playing most modern games, plus a bunch of games. Of course by the time you have some real fun with your new aquistion you have been thrown out of school and or gotten fired from your job, but who cares hah. Dude you are getting a Dell with a radiator
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To understand you have to look at who buys chips and the quality they buy.
When chips are produced they are tested, they get an almost bell shaped curve (hopefully) that has say 10% bad, 60% ok, and 30% excellent.
The 30% excellent chips will sell for more than the 60% average. It is the average chips that large computer makes like dell buy, it keeps their costs low. When you PC is made up of all 'ok' chips then there is a high chance of something needing to be replaced within a couple of years.
In short, companies like Dell buy cheaper, 'not excellent' hardware to keep their costs low, and offer the end consumer a cheaper PC. - aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@willy
If you just made simple typos (the kind check spelling is supposed to correct but nobody uses) i wouldn't have said anything. It's not your grammar that is irritating, it's the misspellings you made on purpose that bother me. Sux isn't a common abbreviation for sucks unless you're a middle school girl. If you are a middle school, then I apologize, you know a lot about computers for a middle school girl. If you're not a middle school girl, grow up, because it's impossible for most people to read your comment without thinking you're a complete moron. - willyallthewei, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Aaron
Good job, you should consider being an elementary school english teacher and write books no one wants to publish.
Oh sorry, did I use @ for AT? Did I abbreviate your name? God, someone save me before I forget how to spell. Evidently you are much more adept at clicking the "Check Spelling" button before you post! - Tonyisbad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'll be sticking to my DIY rig with my Aquagate Mini thank you very much. Nothing more satisfying than building your own rig.
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@asif5th
You are right but if I just had the money to throw around on something like this I definitely would. On the other hand I need a new vehicle at the moment much more than a new gaming rig. But when Crysis comes out, I hope I have the money to build a new system that can handle it at full specs. - lexpattison, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I love the dragster to VW comparison. Very Appropriate.
Only a small part of the population own a "dragster" type car - and most of them don't even know how to drive it properly.
Most uber-geeks would buy it to play FPS games at ridiculous framerates their 4-eyed vision can't even appreciate.
These computer setups are best left to the professional realms where the depreciation vs. usability ratio doesn't make you look like a complete tard in hindsight.
I'll take my Mac anyday. - nbcivic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4idk what all the "it's a dell" stuff's about, i've got a dual core inspiron that makes other laptops cry.
- ZoomBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Looks like they're using somewhat of the same system as the Coolit Freezone which I have in my computer. I know Alienware uses/used it so I don't see how Dell doesn't have their hands on a similarly designed unit.
The Freezone cooler is ok, it gets loud though from the TEC's but so far it's worked great and maintenance free. - Bonedaddy77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0These systems are now showing up on the Dell Outlet site. I found one today for $3559. still a lot of money but much better than $5K+ for a brand new one.
- rkuchiki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I want to see Falcon Northwest's reaction to this....
Not that I can afford either. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@ masterchi - BRAVO man... that's real data, versus baseless speculation.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@randomgeek
True that true that.. f what others think about brand.. get the Machine you want..!!! - Innatech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@AClayje
I'd say both have their pluses.
If you want to pay for assembled, warrantied, high-quality hardware--Apple can't be beat. They really do set high standards compared to their competitors, and they stand by their products.
Otherwise, yes, absolutely build it yourself.
Me--I alternate--which allows me to lag behind HW generations and save money.
I'm currently using a G4 and an AMD64 3200+ system (plus a Dell notebook [iffy] and an older closet Win2K server.) The AMD is going to receive and in-place upgrade to a socket 939 dual core chip (now getting very cheap) and the G4 will be replaced with a refurb Mac Intel multicore system sometime later this year when the fanboy hardware whores trade up.
I love the increasing flexibility we're getting across the board. All of this bodes well, and I like not having to choose and still not breaking the bank. - fremeer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4The main people this is aiming at is the rich kids with money to burn and no clue about PC's. The only positive i have to say is that at least u get manufacturer warranty and a support helpline. Its very well designed and stuff but its severely limtied in its upgrade options since alot of it is too well intergrated together. It ends up being the same as Mac's buy it once and then in 2 years do a full replacement.
- randomgeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Yeah, I'll agree with that. VW's are very nice compared to the Fords and Chevys that most people have. They aren't the OMG BEST THING EVER, but they're pretty nice cars. I have no reason to want or use a dragster, but a VW is certainly good enough to use every day while still attempting to have a sense of style.
I'll accept that analogy as well. :) - Windfish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It says in the article they only overclocked it to 3.2ghz. This is a core extreme 6700 here, my E6300 can reach 3.45ghz, and its stock speed is a whole 1ghz lower. I would have thought they might have put in some faster RAM and clocked it up to 4ghz, they have gone to the effort to put in water cooling after all. Having said that though, I imagine that the people buying the system will want to be left a bit of overhead for their own over clocking. The cooling system in the machine looks impressive too, it's a combination of water and thermoelectric cooling, which is something that you don't normally see in commercial computers.
- dd240sx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1cool PC but if you can build your own do it, and save enough money to buy 30Inch Dell LCD
- turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5maxing out the mac also gets you like 32gb of ***** ram.
32gb of ***** ram
ok yeah
32.
(with clip on cooler things) - Innatech, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Do NOT buy a Dell XPS system of any variety. I did, and it was a huge mistake.
They are extremely poorly supported, despite all badging and promises of premium treatment. All of the infrastructural hardware is crap--from the generic Dell parts bins. For instance, in my XPS system the high performance drives are wasted because the disk controller is crap and lags out under load in ways that are difficult to explain. Lets just say that I get a marked performance in gaming by running games from a USB 2.0 external HDD. That's crazy.
Take the huge chunk of change they want for the XPS systems and either build your own (desktop) or buy a generic high performance machine if you need a laptop (eg. Sager instead of Alienware, which just rebrands Sagers in shinier plastic.) - alexsennet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+04gig of ram plus 1.5gig of video memory, but a 32bit OS ???
- asif5th, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3You must have bought everything at full price. If you actually use bargain sites...one notices that newegg isn't always the best deal.
- willyallthewei, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6@masterchi
Dude who said a similar system would have to use the exact same parts. I won't deny that buying a dell gets you a warranty, but aside from that, I could build a equally capable gaming PC for a third that price.
I won't go on a rant, but in gamming performance, a E6400 overclocked to 3.2 on stock is already good enough for anything out there and a E6700 on water at 4Ghz+ will rock at or better than a QX6700 (at any clock speed) for a fraction of the price. Second, why go with two Raptors when you can Raid four 7500rpm drives for less cost?
Third why go with proprietary WC crap when you can get phase change cooling at that price or build your own WC system with three times the waterflow of any proprietary crap?
Fourth if you know where to look for those gamming accesories you can get all the best stuff for under 50-60 bux combined.
Finally lets get real here, if you put together a $1500 PC and OC'd, you'd be able to play any game maxed today, tommorow and uptill next year assuming you don't game at 2560x1600, and even if you did, they you could still pull that off for about 500-600 bux more.
This is not to say that the Dell sux, but if you question the advantages of building your own, especially with the weak case you put together, then you seriously have no clue. I bet you've never even done it yourself. Go over to one of the competitive overclocking team sites and see what they do with $5000+. - TheTaoOfBill, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3but dude, it's a dell
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Ummm...maxing out all the high end options on a mac pro at the apple website will come up to a 16,000 dollar system.
- vangheem, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Is it just me or does it seem like someone has to bring up Mac in every single discussion?
- sephiroth965, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Good idea. Let me get it started by digging you down and posting this comment so i get dugg down.
- nrfx, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6if only it wasn't raid 0.. aren't the big computer manufactures just asking for 10x the trouble/hassle in including these? for this much $ i'd expect a better storage solution by now.. Where's the flash drives?
- wkndplaya, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2rofl the fact that it's called Dell ensures that gamers won't even consider it :D
- Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4I would probably just buy and assemble the parts separately and stick the computer in a freezer before shelling this much out on a Dell.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5yea...I'm gonna pay $6000 for a dell...no.
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