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- mantene, on 03/29/2008, -4/+538I used to like Creative but banning someone from restoring the features that they promise ON THE BOX when they themselves do not provide those features is absolutely insane. It is like buying a car with the 6 speaker Dolby stereo system only to find that, while it is in the car it isn't actually hooked up to the CD head unit. Then, when you decide to hook it up yourself you are told you cannot! So you are stuck with something that doesn't do what was promised and you are not allowed to do anything about it!
- prompel, on 03/29/2008, -4/+332Dugg for ***** hitting the fan.
- FSugino, on 03/29/2008, -3/+279Say hello to Phil...
poshaughnessy@creativelabs.com - lameweb, on 03/29/2008, -6/+222I for one am boycotting Creative. and this needs to make the top page of digg. For the OEM to not write drivers that work drive me crazy and seemingly do it intentionally, this is something that should not be tolerated. The best way for me to show my distaste is to simply tell everyone i know and to not buy any of there products.
- antz007x, on 03/29/2008, -17/+205Creative just done a kurt cobain -.-
- Maddoktor2, on 03/29/2008, -2/+177Here's the drivers:
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/38375297/Creati ...
***** you, Creative. - inactive, on 03/29/2008, -4/+149Wow this is such bad PR... I'm glad though, it's about time Creative went bust, they are really quite ***** at what they do.
- zephyr42, on 03/29/2008, -0/+141Daniel K existed in a kind of gray area, Creative was OK with him for a while because he was useful to them providing functionality etc... but when he started taking donations. THAT is when Creative got mad. I think Creative is doing a terrible dis-service to they're most loyal customers, audiophiles everywhere. I've been using my Audigy for a long long time and the new computer I build will be lacking anything Creative. Tis a sad day my long lost friend, you've run away from me.
- indigocc, on 03/29/2008, -1/+129Anybody know where you can get Daniel_k's latest release?
And what soundcard should you buy now instead of creatives? Asus'? - brad77, on 03/29/2008, -1/+121Unbelievable. I own an Audigy card, and just recently had to deal with this crap to upgrade to Vista SP1. Here's the text of a message I posted on the forum:
I've been a long time Creative user, and I'm afraid that you've lost me with this one. I have used Soundblaster cards since the 8-bit Soundblaster Pro. Since then I've owned the Soundblaster 16, AWE 32, and a couple cards in the Audigy series. For over 15 years, I've used Creative's cards almost exclusively (aside from a brief stint with the Pro Audio Spectrum 16).
When Vista SP1 was released last week, I didn't see it in Windows Update because the latest driver available for my Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro was not compatible with the update. This driver hasn't been updated since March 2007, and didn't work all that well to boot. Analog 5.1 surround was sketchy, and the sub channel didn't even work.
Daniel_K came to the rescue in my situation. I needed to uninstall my drivers to upgrade to SP1, then install his driver package get my card working again. The installation went very smoothly, and my card is working better than it ever has on Vista. There are some quirks, but all surround channels are working as they should, and sound quality seems to be improved over the previous drivers (although this could easily be attributed to the placebo effect).
The last thing that you should be doing is going after Daniel_K. If anything, you should hire the guy to teach their driver team a thing or two.
Sadly, this is not likely a technical issue, but a marketing one. You seem to have made a deliberate decision to leave Audigy users in the cold in an effort to get us to upgrade to your new X-Fi series. Problem is, it doesn't seem to be working. You know full well that your forum here has post after post lamenting your substandard driver support with promises to avoid your cards in the future.
Your strategy may work with casual customers with a sub-$50 card, but not for others who have invested over $200 for a high-end Audigy card with a breakout box. Those people, like me, are still looking for return on their investment, and will be the first to walk away from you when they get snubbed.
Hopefully this is a misunderstanding, and you will work out a deal with Daniel_K. If this doesn't happen, you stand to lose some of your most loyal customers. Given your track record so far, the outlook doesn't look good.
Please. Step up and do the right thing here. Support your customers, and the rest will follow. - akkibaba, on 03/29/2008, -4/+124This is what happens in a lot of tech companies : Engineers start the company, and then the useless people with business degrees take over. They then proceed to run the company into the ground through their total lack of understanding of the technology or their customer base. I hope Creative doesn't go down that path.
- bluegem, on 03/29/2008, -8/+122Creative died when motherboards came out with onboard sound.
- nitecow, on 03/29/2008, -1/+90I posted on the forum in support of Daniel_K and recommend the same. That is what Creative will read. The sad part is..His drivers are seriously the only reason my sound works. It took me a while to find a fix for the drivers and he was the answer.
- dunn2953, on 03/29/2008, -0/+86they should have hired him. if i had known about his driver i wouldnt have sold my X-fi
- shark72, on 03/29/2008, -2/+82It's not just that... Creative doesn't own all the code in their own driver. If they give the impression that they're just sitting around while somebody's linking to a pirated version on their own forum, they're wide open from a lawsuit from Dolby or some other licensor.
- BigKenW, on 03/29/2008, -1/+75This is just too bad. One of the reasons I stopped buying Creative a long time ago was their propencity for just dropping support for a product. Does anyone remember the Creative Labs 3D0 Game System card for the PC?
I finally relented and thought Creative changed its ways when I purchased a Creative Zen Vision:M a few years ago because I didn't want to be an Apple fan boy. What was I thinking? Support for that was horrible. I actually felt good when I crossed over to the Dark Side and bought a Microsoft Zune, quite possibly the best media player experience I have ever had, consistently updated, and user/community support has been great.
When I purchased my laptop, I intentionally purchased it without an optional Creative Sound card.
Eventually Creative will get the point... or they will hemorrhage revenue. - chaoticz, on 03/29/2008, -7/+80Here is an idea, dont buy creative sound cards. The sound card that came with my motherboard works just fine.
- Remmy, on 03/29/2008, -5/+68It's total *****. Plain and simple. This guy helped the community and Creative themselves by providing functionality that they simply didn't offer. He asked for donations which more than anything covered the time he put in to the project. He wasn't asking to be paid for the drivers. I'll never buy another thing from Creative.
- Krokr, on 03/29/2008, -1/+59Bought many of their products since the original soundblaster, including thousands of soundcards for a work network, but won't be doing so again. I've lived with their dodgy drivers for a few years now, but their attitude towards a hobbyist who is helping their community is disgraceful. Any sensible company would have offered Daniel a job and enjoyed the benefits of solid drivers for their kit, improving customer satisfaction and increasing brand loyalty. Let me welcome Creative to the list of companies that'll never get my money again.
- rajputwarrior, on 03/29/2008, -5/+63i really hope this gets dugg to death so it makes creative look like a bunch of doushebags
- identitymatrix, on 03/29/2008, -1/+57I haven't heard of Daniel_K before as I don't use Vista, but from the post on the forum it sounds like he is a true hacker accomplishing more than every employee working at Creative can do. What Creative is doing is the epitome of shooting themselves in the foot, all in the name of greed.
- Comp1demon, on 03/29/2008, -2/+57Taking Donations is not illegal....
The dude is providing the drivers for free - he is not threating to not work on more drivers or take away what he has done so far if he don't get donations.
While his drivers are GREY area - they are 100% legal so to speak as no modder has been, under law, accused of infringing on IP for providing fuctionality. As long as he don't demand money its not infinging. Like Radiohead and NIN - here is the music people - IF you want to give us money we won't stop you.
I worked for Creative and back in the day some of these people were cool and nice, I can see that the cold coprate world and working for a company that is in the dumps these days makes people *****....
If I were Daniel - I would continue to offer whatever drivers I wrote for people who want them free of charge and if they happen to paypal him a few buxs as a thank you for doing so - let creative try to take him down on legal action im sure the EFF would back his ass up.
I have so many other examples - but I won't bore you all with them...
Creative sucks balls..... - nicknottaken, on 03/29/2008, -1/+52All his drivers for the Live!, Audigy Series, and XFI can be downloded from FileFront, uploaded by daniel_k (braziliantech). His Audigy Series EQ enabled driver pack and complete driver cd for the Audigy Series (XP/Vista) has been released via bittorrent in case Creative decide that they want FileFront to remove them.
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/38375297/ - binorgog, on 08/07/2008, -0/+48I NEVER rant about tech stuff, but this issue hits close to home. For years I have purchased creative sound cards, sound blaster, etc. There were a great company with a good product. When XP was released they were a bit late to the party with drivers, but they did come through. During the beta of Vista they had adequate drivers, but no functionality that my on-board sound did have. Then when they released vista my 400.00 Fatality card did nothing more than take up space and crackle. I ended up buying a pair of 499.00 bose USB speakers which by pass the card all together. The fact that this guy took time out of his own life to HELP people like me should make him a hero to creative. Now creative has made him a hero to everyone and they are the villians. Shame on you Creative, shame.
- BriscoeJr, on 03/29/2008, -1/+46Why don't they just hire the guy?
- h4mx0r, on 03/29/2008, -1/+46"You're a ***** douche. Thanks."
Like that? - styckx, on 03/29/2008, -1/+45Because, Creative has PURPOSELY (And has admitted) they DON"T want these soundcards to work on Vista. They are purposely crippled in order to make people upgrade and buy more expensive versions of a "Vista Ready" product. This guy said "Hey look it does work and here are the drivers for you do it with".
- Chaoticfist, on 03/29/2008, -1/+42Some one should get together all the drivers this dude has made, and release them on the pirate bay. If someone does this, i will seed for at least a week or two. Come on people post those torrents!!!!!!!!!!!
- andymci, on 03/29/2008, -0/+41"Dear Creative:
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Your Competitors." - ripple123, on 03/29/2008, -0/+40Sounds like people should sue creative for false advertising.
- tech42er, on 03/29/2008, -0/+40Creative really has a PR disaster on its hands. Over 30 pages of (former) customers declaring they'll boycott Creative. And as some one pointed out, your average computer user doesn't buy a sound card; only power users and gamers do. And we're the ones who read Digg/Slashdot/Reddit an see how Creative treats their customers.
- LogitechG15, on 03/29/2008, -1/+40Creative just earned themselves an enormous amount of bad PR. Internet Rule Number 1: Don't Piss Off the Internet
- secrity, on 03/29/2008, -0/+37They already are on that path.
- antz007x, on 03/29/2008, -0/+37Indeed, Xonar makes a good alternative and is actually much better then X-Fi imo
- techmaster, on 03/29/2008, -1/+36Oh, one more thing... everybody should go on sites like newegg and start giving creative's products a bad review.
- lacreme, on 03/29/2008, -3/+37***** CREATIVE
- techmaster, on 03/29/2008, -0/+33Can somebody post a link to Daniel K's drivers? I think that would be a nice thing to do, after Creative Labs took the link off their site. :)
- tuntcickle, on 03/29/2008, -1/+33that's a really valid point
- quan04, on 03/29/2008, -1/+32I'm gonna share with my friends and let everyone know!
- baalzebub, on 03/29/2008, -0/+31yup, and instead of causing a bachlash by threatening the guy with the modded drivers they should have offered him a job with good pay building drivers for creative sound cards, then the consumer wins, the guy with the modified driver gets a good paying job, and creative keeps a good reputation, too bad creative is run by idiots that do not think that way...
- djmak, on 03/29/2008, -0/+30I was extremely unimpressed, I just built a new computer (with vista) and I was planning on getting a sound card and was doing some research on what I wanted and came across this... so now what
- an0nymous, on 03/29/2008, -0/+29This is shameful. IP trolls,
You should have served the needs of your customers instead. Perhaps your replacements will. - ctabone, on 03/29/2008, -0/+28Community Statistics
There are currently 83 members online and 8,010 guests. - inactive, on 03/29/2008, -0/+27Dear creative, personally i think your products suck so i don't use them. But, people cant use your ***** in vista, and even made a home made driver to get it to work because you guys are so ***** sorry. Then, you want to stop the guy that made it? please, keep up the good work destroying your business model
- styckx, on 03/29/2008, -4/+30The backlash over this is of epic proportions. That forum is full of T3H W|N! Now if only people would start burning their Soundcards on youtube so I can laugh at people burning high priced electronics
- theragu40, on 03/29/2008, -1/+26Except someone who hacks OSX would not be doing so to restore functionality that is promised on the box but which Apple intentionally removed from the product. Your analogy makes sense only facially.
- zephyr42, on 03/29/2008, -0/+25That's very true, After reading through some of the thread one of the "senior contributors" or whatever mentioned that. What Creative did was exactly what a corporate manager would do....But if they talked to anyone that knows what's going on they would have hired him instead of disenfranchising a huge portion of their community.
- Murphious, on 03/29/2008, -0/+25I really hope this blows up in creatives face in a huge way..
- the_snitch, on 03/29/2008, -0/+25I think this is enough evidence that they are so far down that path, they've forgotten the way back
- robbh66, on 03/29/2008, -8/+31Rickrolling stopped being funny a long time ago.
Guess you missed the memo... -
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