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- CrushThemTorg, on 10/07/2008, -1/+54American components. Russian components. ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!
- HobbesDoo, on 10/07/2008, -10/+54With all the problems: food poisoning, substandard and counterfeit products, it's amazing we're still buying products and food from China. Our government should put a stop to it once and for all. No wonder there is an economic crisis. We're killing our internal economy by outsourcing, buying cheap products, etc.
The real issue is not the government, but the people, who buys at Wal-mart? Yes, you want cheap products, that's what's causing our job losses and this wave of products coming from other countries, where the standards for manufacturing and even human conditions are way below what we would expect to be decent.
Like they say "you get what you paid for" - eugenesucks, on 10/07/2008, -0/+35Us: Could you make this part cheaper? How about cheaper still? Any cheaper? Somehow it's a piece of ***** now. How did this happen?
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 10/07/2008, -0/+34Without the Chinese, every US citizen would have noticed the inflation caused the the dollar's massive slide over the past decade. But because the staples kept getting cheaper, our dollars kept going far enough to not really notice the drop off. Well those days are over folks. Inflation is on its way back...with a vengeance.
- Ghostalker, on 10/07/2008, -1/+28I'd be worried about the Chinese chips being in our military network equipment.
- ymikaz, on 10/07/2008, -0/+19It's not just about Wal-mart and those ***** products. Nowadays China produces literally everything we use on a daily basis. Take a look at this: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_i ...
- maus56, on 10/07/2008, -2/+17The obvious solution: outsource our military to China. With our new military filled with Chinese troops any future war in Asia can be fulfilled by our Asian employees, leaving their American counterparts free to be at home on Sundays to watch football.
- anthonywr, on 10/07/2008, -0/+14Some time ago it was reported that most (if not all) government departments defence etc have purhcased (and presumably put into production) counterfit Cisco equipment. Probably causing more problems than we know.
http://cyberinsecure.com/fbi-looks-into-counterfei ...
http://www.intergovworld.com/article/e392a6b40a010 ...
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/25532 - inactive, on 10/07/2008, -1/+15Typical.
- jguy584, on 10/07/2008, -0/+11When will people ever realize that you get what you pay for.
- Rivetgeek, on 10/07/2008, -2/+13except in reality it's
USA: Who can make this cheap?
Mexico: we can do it for $4 a part
Japan: we can make it for $2.50
China: we will make it for $0.10 per hundred. OUr workers are 13 and untraining but the savings get passed to you! - Gnarstache, on 10/07/2008, -2/+12iphone crashes...
xbox red ring of death...
and probably the vending machine that didn't drop those delicious doritos I was craving the other day...
damn you china! - rschaet, on 10/07/2008, -2/+10Sorry that perspective is too easy.
If you argue about cost alone that won't do. Because the cost is the price that the manufacturer can achieve. If you are willing to pay more the company will charge you more and will deliver a better product margin to it's shareholders.
On the other hand some things are doubtful:
* Will you really go check first if your product is not made in china before you buy?
* Even if it says 'Made in US' the components are probably all made in China.
* Last but not least a lot of products are only available from Chinese manufacturers nowadays.
We all have already fallen into the Chinese trap. - Blacksoth, on 10/07/2008, -0/+7Part of the problem is that American business people don't understand how business works in China. The chinese NEVER say no. My brother is an electronic engineer and works closely with a chinese company that manufactures parts for his business. The chinese will say yes to whatever price you name. What a lot of north americans don't realize though, is that they produce the product at the specified price by cutting corners where they shouldn't. If you tell a chinese company what standards are required, they'll give YOU their price. But if you DICTATE a price, you'll get that price but not the product quality you were expecting. And that's just the way it works.
- CoryTrevor, on 10/07/2008, -2/+9Until recently, I hadn't had any experiences with substandard, Chinese made products. I thought the stuff we read about was was more media hype. That was until I bought the Xoro HSD 8430 media player. This thing SUCKS! I've already sent two back to the dealer trying to get my money back. I've seriously never seen something so cheaply made. It decides on it's own what and when it wants to play what type media.... and this last one stopped turning one after 3 ***** days. We should require a warning label on this *****. Something like , "Warning. Made in China with zero quality control."
- artwell, on 10/07/2008, -0/+7Dugg for crazy Russian cosmonaut quote.
- inactive, on 10/07/2008, -2/+9Don't buy made in china products. it's hard to find made in U.S.A.
Back to the Future: All the good stuff is made in Japan. - LiquidLeopard, on 10/07/2008, -0/+7http://www.nassoskappa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008 ...
Our Problem. - jb12321, on 10/07/2008, -0/+7This reminds me of when I was trying to get my hands on a 320GB Seagate hdd that didn't chirp. Since Seagate bought out Maxtor they started making them in China, they all SUCKED, they all chirped and died within a few weeks, I RMA'd about 4 before asking for a refund. Eventually I found one of the old ones from Taiwan (or Singapore, I don't remember, but one of Seagates original factories), it's been in service for over a year now with no problems.
I was thinking to myself "I wish I could just pay $20 more and get one that worked." The problem is we don't often have a choice anymore. - Gnarstache, on 10/07/2008, -0/+6myspacebarwasmadeinchina
- rmxz, on 10/07/2008, -1/+7@gawtMilk: "You feel bad for a robot?"
If it were made by a robot, the manufacturer would have saved the expense of shipping them across the ocean. Sadly Rivetgeek and 808ethan are probably right. - SteelChicken, on 10/07/2008, -0/+6"We shall sell the capitalists the rope that we hang them with" - Lenin
- secrity, on 10/07/2008, -0/+6It is virtually impossible to find anything that is made, or even assembled in the US any more. It is even getting difficult to find something that is not made in China. The biggest problem isn't just that it is made in China, the biggest problem is that the entire factory to make the stuff was removed from the US and shipped to China.
- rmxz, on 10/07/2008, -0/+5Or industrial controls.
The US sabotaged the old Soviet Union's oil pipelines with intentional flaws disguised as bugs: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4394002 - seenxu, on 10/07/2008, -2/+7if you guys don't like products that made in china, simply just don't buy it, nobody forced you to do that,and complains here won't solve any problems our chinese people will be appreciate for such kinda actions, the less you bought chinese products, the less pollutted our chinese natural enviroment.
But I bet it is very hard if you want to boycott chinese products nowadays.
anyway, keep boycotting chinese products!!! thx a lot! - inactive, on 10/07/2008, -2/+7Again the Usarican short-sight. This has nothing to do with China, it has to do with the now worthless $$$$ : penny pinching in IT (and other areas) is the rule at some places - does not mean your idiotic military is saving money at all to the taxpayer - it is swindled differently and goes bigger into fewer pockets : read all the stories about frauds at NASA, DOD, PENTAGON. If you buy Chinese stuff it is because it can NEVER in any case be worse than any of the "made in usofA" crap : cars, TV, electric appliance, - get rid of your overabundant rulers and try to think , if you can !
- Deaconstructed, on 10/07/2008, -1/+6Why the HELL would you take MILITARY TECHNOLOGY from a country that could ACTUALLY RIVAL YOUR OWN???
- acliffhang3r, on 10/07/2008, -0/+5Here is a wrench, my good Sir. You are good to go.
- CrymsonRX7, on 10/07/2008, -0/+5I find this highly ironic.
Consider the cold war era's "Farewell Dossier", where the US supplied the Soviets with faulty technology after aquiring the KGB's "wish list" from a defector. This resulted in a massive pipeline explosion, computer chips that failed randomly, and hi-tech software that was intentionally buggy. - amenhotep, on 10/07/2008, -0/+5When you buy a $100 Made in China product, your retailers probably get it from the Chinese manufacture for $15. That means the Chinese have to bring down the cost to like 14 (finding cheap material, cheap unexperienced labour, ignore evironmental protection law etc). Tell the blood sucking retailers and all the Made in China importers to be a little less greedy or you get what you paid for. If you don't believe this, do a research on the big retailers' margin.
- Meocross, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4Too many products are made in china *looks at keyboard*. DARN IT you see what im talking about here? what would happen if china disappeared? instant meltdown.
- MrViklund, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4Capitalism coming back to hit ya :)
- x060t, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4There's a difference between "made in China" and "Chinese ripoff". If you develop a quality product, and odrer production in China - they'll make you a qality product. If you try to outsource development there to save money and try to save every penny at the cost of components quality - you get cheap piece of *****. So the quality itself is not a problem - just pay a good money and you'll have it made well. The issue seems to be in the very fact of moving production to China. You order alot of stuff from China, but what do you sell them? It's all going to the point when China just buys the rest of the world...
And as for military equipment - i actually don't understand how you can order something from its geopolitical rival.. - MrFurious2k, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4Quality control is always an issue, but let's not pretend we're not benefiting from the cheap goods we're getting from overseas.
http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/mankiw/fi ...
If you take the time to read the report, you'll notice that we're getting a lot of benefit from buying these goods. That doesn't mean we shouldn't demand quality, but it isn't a one sided equation either. - brainflakes, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4iPods and iPhones are made in China, no?
- antjenkins, on 10/07/2008, -0/+4The issue isn't Chinese manufacturers, it's military contract manufacturers utilizing parts from a tainted supply chain. Even if the supply chain has been solid in the past, all it takes is one or two middlemen to realize they can get those 10,000 IC chips cheaper from Hu's Microchip Emporium And Noodle House, then pocket the difference. Hu, meanwhile, is getting his box o' chips from the Guiyu riverfront, which are stripped off old circuit boards, cleaned in the river, and relabeled.
We couldn't cut out China and/or Taiwan if we wanted, because many of these microchips aren't manufactured anywhere else. The issue is to clean up and certify the supply chain, and require military equipment manufacturers to use those certified sources. - inactive, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3I'd be more worried about the self destruct code they built into our military chips!
You can say 'tinfoil hat' but if we made weapons for china or Iran, don't you bet we'd look to make it unusable against us? - diggduggjoe, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3We could reverse the trend, if we cared to. It will not be easy, but people need to look further than the price.
- joshhan, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3"You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha..."
- Blacksoth, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3The shocking thing to me is that OTHER developing countries (such as Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) are outright banning chinese products for health or other related problems and have been for YEARS! How is it that only now people in north america are realizing this?
- inactive, on 10/07/2008, -3/+6Yeah, whenever I see those Christmas lights one string of 500 for $1.99 I feel glad I can afford 10,000 lights, but then i feel sick to my stomach when I think how much they must pay the person who made my lights...
- sklter84, on 10/08/2008, -0/+3lol capitalism and exploitation
- razorsedge555, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3Unfortunately, we also have a government that should have "Made in China" stamped on its huge ass.
- inactive, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3Not if they're counterfeit....
- razorsedge555, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3It's how certain people get elected....OWWWW BANG ZOOM!!!
- sklter84, on 10/08/2008, -0/+3Sounds like you get what you ask for. Looks like no one's fault except for the person asking.
- johnsmith118, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3Just wondering how much you paid for this media player.
- joshhan, on 10/07/2008, -0/+2At the same time blame the greedy shareholders that demand a high stock price of the big retailers. Then blame the greedy CEO that takes risks with the company to satisfy said greedy shareholders. Where does it all end???
- circleback2, on 10/08/2008, -0/+2I see where your coming from, but I would have to disagree regarding the quality of products coming out of Taiwan, or at least manufacturers in China but are owned and managed by Taiwanese whom source the cheap labor pool.
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