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- sockpuppets, on 06/05/2009, -0/+30I plugged in my ps2 keyboard and mouse just to digg you up.
- Awezing, on 06/05/2009, -3/+25IDE... please die.
- MasterPain, on 06/05/2009, -0/+18I am going to stick with my 775 quad core for a while. The gains just are nor enough for me to purchase a new board, cpu, & memory, especially if they are going to yet another socket. I feel that is one of the problems with AMD is how many times they have changed the socket after socket A.
- orb_nsc, on 06/05/2009, -0/+15Looks like they axed the floppy controller, so at least they're moving in that direction.
- TheCash, on 06/05/2009, -1/+11Why are motherboard makers still including legacy PS/2 mouse/keyboard ports on their boards? The last time I bought a peripheral with a PS/2 connector, Clinton was still getting trim from white house interns.
- Taiyoryu, on 06/05/2009, -0/+9It's the Tron motherboard.
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 06/05/2009, -1/+6All for making it cheaper, that's for sure. They need to get over the socket compatibility issue though!
- theblacknight, on 06/06/2009, -0/+4come now, how much space does the IDE controller really take up on a full-size motherboard? on small motherboards, ditch anything redundant, but on large motherboards it makes sense to include some legacy ports
- subxero37, on 06/05/2009, -0/+4The PS/2 protocol is a very limited protocol and offers little flexibility. In fact, what would be pretty awesome is if they would keep the PS/2 ports, but internally convert the signals to USB -- that would enable hotplugging of virtually any keyboard.
I oftentimes run my PC in the living room and use just a mouse to start up games -- after that, it's game controller only. But if something screws up, I have to reboot to plug in a PS/2 keyboard. (You may laugh at me -- I don't own a single USB keyboard. Most of mine are old, and my main one is an IBM Model M.)
A PS/2 port doesn't exactly take up a lot of space, either, so I don't think leaving it (even just one) on the motherboard is a serious problem. - freshgrease, on 06/05/2009, -0/+4LGA-1156
So if you want to upgrade your processor in your Dell/HP/etc with an original i5 processor, you are going to have to stay in that budget-class cpus? Argh. I hate it when upgrade paths are closed by greedy bastards. Good thing I go whitebox, but your retail companies use proprietary mobos. - Chris_F, on 06/05/2009, -0/+3I was under the impression that LGA-1366 was going to be reserved for business and server class equipment, while LGA-1156 was going to be for everything else, not necessarily just "budget" configurations.
- MacEnvy, on 06/05/2009, -2/+5I can't think of a time I've ever needed to hit more than 6 keys at once. Seems as though that would be very poor program design.
- 7m7uf, on 06/05/2009, -0/+2or an IDE to SATA dongle.
- bigwophh, on 06/05/2009, -4/+6Because PS/2 is superior for keyboards, especially if you're a gamer. USB keyboards (running under Windows) have an artifical 6-key press limitation. PS/2, however, can off true N-Key rollover.
- rrlaw, on 06/05/2009, -0/+2Socket compatibility is impossible due to the integrated x16 PCIe link. If I remember correctly, this is Intel's first u-processor that has the PCIe link integrated.
- web2pointYo, on 06/05/2009, -0/+2I read somewhere that the triple cores start out life as quads but one of the cores isnt up to the task. I assume that this happens a lot when making these things. Rather than throw away a chip with 3 perfectly functioning cores, they sell it as the x3 for less cash. Some are unlocking the fourth core but I think its a do at your own risk kinda thing.
- Nephersir7, on 06/06/2009, -0/+2Well, my Asus P5Q-Deluxe mobo has only one ps/2 port (green/purple combo), so I guess 50% less obsolescence is an improvement.
http://resources.vr-zone.com/f/p5q/IMG_9929.jpg
On the other side, I am sure that some people enjoy not having to buy a new keyboard when they already have a perfectly working one. - subxero37, on 06/05/2009, -0/+2Well, it's not really proprietary, and the difference isn't so much greed as it is simplifying the electrical constraints of the platforms. One-socket-for-all would be nice (which AMD did for quite a while with Socket A, which I really, really miss) but given the sheer complexity of systems, memory, and CPUs today, I don't think it would be really feasible.
But I'm not an engineer, so I could be wrong.
And yet at the same time, I have a problem with the number of socket types. AM2, AM2+, AM3, LGA775 (still going strong), LGA1366, LGA1156 -- it's a little intimidating to someone just getting into building machines. I've been building machines for years and it's still a little complicated: it's hard to tell what the best route/product is to get the best bang for your buck. There needs to be a master chart somewhere. - inactive, on 06/06/2009, -1/+3775 has had a run of like 5 years, though. It's about time for a a change.
Now we really have 2: 1156 and 1366. One for regular folks, one for the high end.
Both run on DDR3 at the same voltages and generally share all the same parts. It's just a board/chip thing. - inactive, on 06/05/2009, -1/+3That's not how progress works, you're doing it wrong.
- dstz, on 06/05/2009, -3/+5A budget i7 already exists, it is called core2duo, runs on a p45 chipset with some truly exceptional motherboards at less than 90$ (ex: gigabyte ud3,) and ddr2 ram, at an overall cost of half the price with a negligible loss of performance.
- chrislewis, on 06/06/2009, -0/+1Nitpick: I really don't think LGA1156 is i7.
- christianw, on 06/05/2009, -4/+5i thought it was kind of a weak preview
- sevenalive, on 06/05/2009, -1/+2Why would you get 4 year old technology.
I got i7 920, 6gb DDR3 Triple Channel 7-7-7-20, and Biostar X-58. That is going to last me 5 years.
Bought the parts on newegg of course, so total cost per year about $100, which is reasonable imo. AND it supports the new architecture so i will just need a faster CPU, in 5 years. The way your going, you will need to incur that cost in the future at some point, but infact it actually costs more, since you got to buy a new mobo, cpu, and ram all over again. - ban1d0, on 06/05/2009, -5/+6Budget Core i7 = Phenom II.
Pick up a decent AM3 board + Phenom II 920 + 4GB DDR3 and you got yourself an affordable but powerful system. Throw in a HD4870 or GTX 260, they're cheap now and you'll even be able to play Crysis II. - Darksoul, on 06/13/2009, -0/+1What the hell are you talking about 5 years, its been 3 and some of the ones made later on even less. Just because something brand spanking new comes out doesn't make the system obsolete. ***** I just put together a system with a 8400 in it I can upgrade as I want but as it is now there is no game I can't play.
- IllBeBack, on 06/05/2009, -2/+3Your math doesn't add up.
Just the motherboard and the processor add up to more than $500 on Newegg, but you say that your cost will only be $100 per year over a five year period.
Bull ***** *****.
You didn't include the cost of hard drives, DVD/BD burner, case, power supply, video card(s), monitor, keyboard, mouse, operating system, etc.
Why is it that people that build their own computers always lie about the true costs of building it just to make themselves look cool? - HappyScrappy, on 06/06/2009, -0/+1The socket changes are a big part of what makes it cheaper.
- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -0/+1I Use Linux so I won't be buying ASUS since they love M$ so much..
- TheCash, on 06/06/2009, -0/+1Who is still using a ten year old keyboard though, with a brand new computer? I'm lucky if my keyboards survive three years, let alone a full decade.
- mikedoth, on 06/05/2009, -1/+1I hear it might be possible to unlock the fourth core as well... that's the route i'm heading this summer ; )
- dstz, on 06/05/2009, -2/+2My last machine, an overclocked AMD 2600+ mobile (2.4 ghz set on a desktop) cost me peanuts and lasted 5 or 6 years (pentium 4 being such a train wreck, it helped.)
This new machine cost me peanuts. Surely, in 5 years from now, i will have some more peanuts to throw at it. But I don't want to derail the uber-consumer gravy train (reality does well enough this days,) proceed as you wish and enjoy your 2 additional fps. With the leftover money i got myself a sweet active sound system, which is imo quite a bit more interesting. - WCentauri, on 06/07/2009, -0/+0Is there a hardware-related reason for this? I wouldn't take very seriously any marketing spin. ASUS just happens to be a in a unique position as a hardware OEM with its netbooks. All companies are out for $$$. Other companies may done the same for M$. If the hardware still works as well or better than anything else, I wouldn't bias against ASUS for that reason alone.
- codyman, on 06/05/2009, -1/+1I want to build a new rig around August / September and I digg the i7's but they are still a little up there in price to really want to build one, hopefully this knocks down the prices
- jasonliman, on 06/05/2009, -2/+2I built my i7 920 for a little less than 1K four months ago, from a single core AMD 4000+ "939 socket" (dead end), it feels like going from 20mile per hour to 80 mile per hour. I though about getting a Phenom II x4 955, but there wasn't any mATX for AM3 socket four months ago.
At the same time, people keep saying i7 is really expensive, but really, the i7920 costs almost the same as Phenom II X4 955, but the i7920 is faster and more stable. It can run anything I throw at it, 3ds, autocad, vectorworks, CS4 and browsing all at the same time, and render time is so much faster than my older single core AMD4000+.
Another reason I choose i7 is because intel socket development is more stable LGA775 - LGA1366, versus to AMD, from 939 - AM2-AM2+ - AM2+/AM3 - AM3, who knows will there be AM3+ for 6 slots of ram. or AM3+/AM4
Indeed, if you are short 2-3 hundred dollars, go for Phenom. But I have been using my i7 non-stop ever since day one. - MacEnvy, on 06/05/2009, -2/+2Here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket#List_of_so ... - EnricoFermi, on 06/06/2009, -1/+1It's all about the Phenom II 940. Granted not nearly as fast as the core i7's but it get's the job done.
- web2pointYo, on 06/05/2009, -1/+1Thats what i'll be doing this summer. AMD x3 720, 4gb ddr3, 4870...
If you want to play games (thats what ill be doing instead of going outside :), do a lot of other stuff real fast, and o by the way, you care about money. AMD unlocked chips or the existing Intel quads are the way to go. If its really that important to you to say that your sports car goes 220 mph, and not "only" 200 mpg, then by all means whip out that wallet and pick up an i7 and all the supporting pieces. They are awesome chips, but to build a system with them right now is a few hundred bucks more than a lot of people are ready to spend. - garryw, on 06/05/2009, -2/+2cool, almost bought a new PC (14 newegg parts) yesterday but opted to wait till the Holidays and stick with my laptop a bit longer. I hope they make something like a i7 dual core for me by then, dont want a quad really.
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -2/+1why? got a old hard drive then put it in external enclosure. there is no need for IDE taking up valuable space on the mobo.
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -3/+1Tired of people whining about Intel prices. If you are a 16 year-old kid looking to screw together a system to play Borecraft, fine, go with AMD. But when you use a computer to make money with doing 3D animation, video editing or photoshop work, that extra 200-300 for an Intel chipset pays for itself in the long run.
- tommyny04, on 06/05/2009, -5/+3that is SEXY!!!
- dstz, on 06/05/2009, -3/+1"AND it supports the new architecture so i will just need a faster CPU, in 5 years"
You truly believe what you just said? i'm speechless. - sevenalive, on 06/05/2009, -9/+1Dear Haters:
Computer i build in Feb-March: I already had the tower and fans just sitting in my closet for 3 years
Ultra Luminous Full Tower Blue with chrome 2 120mm Ultra Case Fans
Saitek Eclipse III Black USB Wired Standard Backlit Multimedia Keyboard - $74.99
PLEXTOR 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model PX-850SA -$49.99
Acer X233Hbid Black 23" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - $199.99
Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler - $79.99
BIOSTAR TpowerX58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - $269.99
EVGA 01G-P3-1285-AR GeForce GTX 285 SC Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - $359.99
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -$79.99
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - $289.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible - $259.99
OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1333LV6GK - $139.99
Microsoft 9VV-00001 Black 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Habu Gaming Mouse - #39.99
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Core i7 920 @ 3.4ghz
3x2gb DDR3 7-7-7-20
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Ya you might say it's overkill but at least it's going to last me 5 years, and of course when a better GPU comes out, just SLI it with my 285. At least in 5 years i will probably only need more ram and a newer CPU, while you guys are still buying Core2 775's will have to buy new mobo, ram, cpu, and maybe a new PSU. In the long run i am saving money getting TODAY's technology and not 3-4 year old tech.
Signed,
Gamer who killed you 5 times while your computer is still drawing the menu screen. - musntSurfatWork, on 06/05/2009, -11/+2who needs a strong computer anymore? PC Gaming is dead in the water, casual gaming is here to stay(integrated video is fine enough), and Diablo III is still 8 years away. Wake me up when molecular computers become mainstream, and 500GB+ SSD drives are available for $99. in the mean time, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (and this is the very reason why the IT market is so low, there is no more worthy innovation, and we're saturated.
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