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- Zoids, on 10/12/2007, -8/+53It was a good idea in theory, bad idea in practice.
Playstations have always sold well, and putting Sony's chosen disc format in it would get it into many households that wouldn't use it normally. Then the price comes into play, and no-one wants to fork out £400+ for a console.
The bad outweigh the good on this one. - aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -6/+46Why do people Digg these corporate FUD sites.
TheInquirer, an already terrible source, is citing Cymfony which is a corporate viral marketing company that is paid by big corporate entities to promote a specific marketing message.
They call this "Influence 2.0", companies pay for creating buzz about a product and manufacturing FUD about their competitors. Cymfony isn't the only internet "market influence" companies, unfortunately these types of sites are sprouting up all over the place.
http://www.cymfony.com/
http://www.cymfony.com/influence2.asp
http://www.cymfony.com/abt_snap.asp - aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Most people are happy with DVDs, and don't care about Blu-Ray. Plus, it's apparently the losing side of the format war. People don't want to pay loads extra for betamax on their system.
When it comes to use in actual games, most people don't mind having to use multiple DVDs anyway. - Dunadan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33No, it means 46% MORE, in other words for every 100 people talking positively about Blu-Ray 146 are talking positively about HD-DVD
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31I've been telling this since Day 1 when the news that the price of blu-ray and its supply issues is causing prices on the PS3 to skyrocket.
Yes in theory its a good idea, foister a format upon the consumer "sneak-style", poof before you know it your format is a lot more prevalent and you're on your way to winning the war.
But price plays an important part-if the price increase is barely noticeable-say $50,it'd prolly work but $400? Screw that *****. - jmacdonagh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27@Dayz
Have you ever taken an introductory course in statistics? - Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20I only know a few out of thousands of games that span multiple DVDs anyway.
- CanceledCzech, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Looks like you're title is a bit too long, let me shorten it for you.
"PS3 was a 'mistake'"
There you go, much better. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21FTA "Most of the negative Blu-ray conversations indicated punters did not trust Sony"
No ***** *****!!
Although I never trusted them fully, what little trust remained was steamrolled into nothingness with the rootkit thing, and before a sony applogist says "waaa, but Sony-BMG isn't sony", shut the hell up, its all part of the same big company!!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19If Sony really wanted to win the console war, they'd have just left Blu Ray out of the PS3 and left the format as DVD just as MS had done. The console could have been priced at $399, and we'd all be happy.
All this talk of dev's needing all 50GB for games is just pure nonsense. Two or three DVDs will suit any game and gamer just fine. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19"surveyed more than 18,000 posts on bogs"
Where are these bogs they speak of? - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19If the PS3 had shipped on time (X-Mas 05) we wouldn't be having this discussion. BluRay would have beat HD-DVD out of the gate by 6-8 months and would have had millions of installed players. That final delay of the PS3 really did in BluRay (and perhaps the PS3 itself) The best part of the whole story is BluRay got delayed, in part, due to arguments over the DRM standard for BluRay movies. So if you think about, DRM basically helped kill the PS3/BluRay. The ironing is delicious as Bart Simpson might say.
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -21/+33Some people have actually bought the PS3 BECAUSE it had Blu-Ray, myself included. Check out AVS forum, and you will find others.
I don't see any analysts interviewing these people though. :(
-Pie - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Actually they're all on ebay.
- apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10alot of people are upset that they have to pay extra for a blu-ray drive they may or may not get any use out of, but as for the xbox360 hd-dvd drive helping to beat out blu-ray... i dunno. microsoft is refusing to release hd-dvd drive sale numbers. if they were selling like hotcakes, MS would be sure to promote those figures.
during my xmas shopping, all that was on display in the television departments were blu-ray drives. in the news, there are two new multimedia laptops being released with blu-ray drives. theres the rumor of a possible forthcoming apple pc with a blu-ray drive standard. the only hd-dvd drive i saw was the xbox360 drive this holiday so far.
given that the hd-dvd drive uses the same blue/ violet laser as the ps3 and blu-ray player, they were handcuffed by the diode shortages that crippled the ps3 launch, so i dont imagine them selling that many more drives than say sony sold ps3s.
i'm sure that when sales pick up for the hd-dvd drive MS will reveal their sales numbers, but for now its a slight curiosity that the company that loves to trumpet their xbox numbers and figures is a lil silent on this major component.
here is an interesting article if you care to read a balanced opinion re: this news. he doesnt really swing either way, but puts things in a balanced perspective.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=765309&page=1 - reticulate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10If you've only got like 5 consoles in the store, they're going to sell out.
I honestly thought this was obvious. However, after reading some of the commentary, I've become aware that a number of you people are drooling morons. - knodi, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17No one like to buy a $600 door stopper.
- coolred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9So what should Sony have used instead for their console?
The competing product? - jiub, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17EatingPie:
You forget that it is a gaming console first and a Blu-Ray Player second. I think Microsoft had the best idea, releasing the HD-DVD Player as an add-on. Sony could have just as easily done that, releasing a $400 console and $200 add-on for people that really wanted it taking it into the same price range as the 360. - bobzibub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yes you are correct. However, Sony wants to win more than just the console war. The big picture is that there is much more money floating around there than just consoles. If Sony did not include blu-ray players in their PS3s gamers would be happy for the next three years, but Sony and Nintendo would be paying Microsoft royalties forever after for HD-DVD in the XBOX 720 and the PS4.
Plus *we'd* be paying Microsoft royalties for all portable HD content, just like we pay them for computers. They'd have such a monopoly that we'd probably pay for their WMA format every time we download and every time we rent via Netflix or whatever. Because their standard would become our standard.
We see this now in the form of $100 for each and every CPU that dell sells. Whether Windoze is installed or not.
Now, the irony is that Sony pushing blu-ray so hard will also help future versions of the Wii, and other future consoles because otherwise Microsoft will own them, because they would own the protocol.
Furthermore, if the Cell was the part with the production problems everyone would be a bitch'n on and on and on (God kill me now!)..... but this time about the Cell chip. And if it was the little rubber foot pads, people would be a bitch'n on and on and on about the fools that be Sony.
Let it be known: I enjoy blu-ray discs. The picture is phenomenal. (No doubt like the HD-DVD) I am happy with the PS3 as a game machine. (No doubt like the Xbox) I'm gonna throw Linux on it next weekend. I'm in my happy place.
Sony made the right business decision, for them and for us. Production problems are always a possibility with sophisticated devices but unless companies are willing to take the risks, there would be no progress whatsoever. - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I would wait a few more months before even thinking about drawing conclusions such as this. What is likely is some pro-HDVD analysts (read: paid by interested parties) have been flooding social news networks and news blogs that could care less about sources with stories such as these. I mean, a statistic about how many people are talking about HD-DVD favorably in forums?
I could really care less which wins, I don't own an HDTV and I don't own a ps3 or an xbox360. In fact, if I ever was to get one I'd be leaning towards a 360 because it seems capable of the same games at a lower price.
However, the ps3 is selling out. It is even selling at huge inflated prices. To say that including blu-ray with it is a mistake seems strange to me. The demand appears to be there, so I don't get the "forcing on consumers" argument, people seem to like the tech in the ps3.
Would not including blu-ray have increased supplies? I thought the shortage was due to the cell processor and low yields.
It will be interesting to compare the total ps3s sold compared to the total hd-dvd addons for the 360 sold. I keep hearing the hd-dvd addon is selling well, but what does well mean when talking about addons? Is it selling more than ps3 units are selling?
It seems way too early to discount blu-ray. Like it or not, the ps3 will probably continue to be purchased, and every unit that sells is a blu-ray player. This isn't some player that they can't push off the store shelves. It's selling as fast as they can produce them. - junkyard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6punter=british slang for customer.
- subject117, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I disagree. I love that my PS3 has Blu-Ray. The price is not much worse than the original Playstation adjusted for inflation, and we all know how well that did.
- phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Sure it's totally related. He designed the system just like he saw in his dream. He also pieced together all the 195,000 units he managed to ship.
Even if he was in charge of the project they could of demoted him earlier. I mean it's not like they were caught be surprise by their shortage. They had a pretty good idea considering the yield of the blu-ray diode and cell processor. - socceralien26, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9The Inquirer blows. On a related note, give the PS3 more than like 2 weeks to prove itself as a gaming console and as an entertainment hub. I hate when people are bashing this as a total failure. Granted it has had issues, but what launch of new electronic device hasn't?
- ThE0eNiGmA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@jiub
You forget, the games are on Blu-ray discs. It's not just movies. I recall Sony claiming that the extra space was "necessary" for games. Of course, Sony doesn't have much of a track record lately regarding accurate claims.
Microsoft, on the other hand, stuck with DVDs for the games. The HD-DVD is for the movies, as far as I know. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sort of, while taking a punt is taking a bet, punter can just mean a customer
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think Sony will show us all that Blu-ray was a good idea, and not just to push a competing video format. Apple is rumored to be including Blu-ray drives in their next batch of laptops, and Sony is using Blu-ray in all their new A/V equipment.
Let's just face facts ok? The world needs a better optical storage format. Games are getting huge. Media is getting 10x better with the introduction of hidef content and the HDTVs to play them on. Home theaters aren't just the realm of the upper crust anymore. For around 2k anyone can build a decent home theater system these days.
DVDs are out. I know, I know, most of you have DVD collections and no HDTV so watching movies on your SDTV is *just fine*. There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong, however, is buying an HDTV and being forced to watch 95% SD content. That's a huge disappointment. Even watching DVDs fullscreen on an HDTV is very disappointing, particularly when your satellite/cable company broadcasts some shows and films in 720p or 1080i. 480p just doesn't cut it anymore.
What's going to be interesting is to see what developers will do with this massive extra storage space. Microsoft has already said that they don't plan to design games with the HD-DVD addon in mind. That leaves Sony with the storage crown for the next 4 or 5 years.
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6WTF is a punter?
One of the wikipedia entries lists a punter as "a customer of a prostitute." - zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love how everyone bashes the PS3 for having blu-ray. People would have bitched if it was HD-DVD too, and the price would still probably have been $500.
I don't see why you would want to buy a new console with a technology (DVD) that is going to be outdated within the next couple of years. Personally, I'd rather pay a little bit more for a technology that will last for the next 5-10 years. Blu-ray might be expensive now, but 5 years ago DVDs were way more expensive than they are now. In a year or two, the price will come down and then everyone will be glad that PS3 has blu-ray and can have games bigger than 8.5GB. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Vlatro:
That's not right at all. The merger talks had died 3 times already.
And for the zillionth time, it isn't Sony that went it alone. There are 3 manufacturers of BluRay drives. There's only 1 company that stuck with HD-DVD and wouldn't fold in. That's Toshiba.
Go ahead and grouse about the names, that's just fine. But don't say Sony is the one going it alone here. The company that is going it alone is Toshiba. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Vlatro:
Your numbers are awful.
PS1 shipped in Japan first for something like $350. It first shipped in the US at $299 (no bundled game).
The price of the cheap PS3 is (in US dollars): $499 (20Gb unit, no bundled game).
You aren't even paying enough attention to make a decent argument. - emiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, I had the same question. Could someone answer this?
- thasmadawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I agree, although I don't know if they'd win but it'd be nice to have a cheaper PS3 to play some exclusives that I wont find for my 360. Alteast the ones that are left like MGS.
- NiGHTSChao, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Did you post that so you and fellow Sony-haters could jack off to it?
Please :/ Go back to your nintendo/w/e
(For the record, I dont exactly praise Sony, but i dont bash them either, they are in a gray (grey?) area for me, I still loves my PC bestest) - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"You obviously have never played Metal Gear Solid for the PS2..."
He said 90% of devs suck at rumble, not 100%/ - comcipher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Direct link to article cited by theinquirer.com:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-12-08T181248Z_01_N07316023_RTRUKOC_0_US-SONY-PS3-BLURAY.xml&WTmodLoc=TechNewsHome_C2_technologyNews-2 - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I think the main issue with another format war is Sony's terrible track record with introducing brand new formats. Ever since Phillips and Sony invented the CD, the only mild bit of success they had was with the mini-disc and that died over night with the arrival of mp3 / ipods etc."
Don't forget the DVD. Sony gets a piece of every game Microsoft makes for the 360. (Insert recorded Japanese man's evil laughter here.) In fact, between the 3.5'' floppy, the DVD, and the CD, Sony has gotten a chunk of almost every disc Microsoft has ever sold.
Oh, and DVCAM. For that matter, although Betamax was an underperformer in the consumer market, it's been professional standard for decades.
Sony is hardly a failure. - Jolls, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Dayz: no. stating that "46 percent more" discussion was positive implies that if there was 100 positive reviews for BluRay, HD-DVD had 46% more positive discussion, implying 146 positive reviews. or something like that.
- anthra22, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5blu ray seems like a bad idea now for the PS3, but that could change. no new consoles will be released for a few years. If in 2 years blu ray is the standard everyone will be saying how smart sony was for having a blu ray player. And like other people have stated this sneaks sony's format in to people's homes. A lot of novices wont bother buying an hd dvd player for the xbox 360. The only problem I have with sony is the price that they are selling it at. It's called supply and demand, if you have a shortage, you need to raise the price. If you can sell all 200,000 or so units at $1,000 per system, you should do it. It's simple economics.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6And you need a 4GB SD card for what? It comes with plenty of save game space. And you really dont need component cables either- the jump from 480i to 480p isn't a whole lot.
- NiGHTSChao, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Rumble sucks
90% of developers suck at using it in games, they just make it so you get hit or something and your controller shakes like its having a ***** seizure, thats not very well done
besides that, after like an hour of playing games, you dont even remember or realize that your controller is shaking, because your to in-to the game - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3CD, DVD, 3.5 inch floppies...
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They're full of crap... that's what.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Until even ONE PS3 sits on a shelf unsold, you can't call the PS3 a mistake.
The mistake was not getting enough ready for launch. But since EVERY single one that was available has gtten sold within seconds of being available, obviously people aer NOT turned off by BluRay being included.
Then again, what would someone expect from theinquirer.net...accuracy? - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10But the worst part about it for Sony? If the format fails, Sony still has to continue making Blu-Ray PS3s for the next 5-10 years (since that's how long they say they support their product line), which will just eat away and eat away at their money and probably stock value as well. Bad idea, Sony. Bad idea.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Storage capacity does not automaticly equate to better quality video. The amount of information you can show on a 60 in HDTV is finite. At some point it's just not going to get any better until you increase the resolution and that's not going to happen any time soon.
- espyrian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A punter is someone who applies a mixture of pigment suspended in a liquid on a surface as art. For example, Vincent Van Gogh was a famous post-impressionist punter.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6$200? Doesn't the $500 20 gigabyte PS3 only cost $100 more than the $400 20 gigabyte 360? Last I checked 500-400 = 100.
And last I checked there were PS3 launch titles that take more space than what can fit on a DVD. So bluray helps games, isn't that what PS3 is for? - Denver80203, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3'What's to stop Microsoft from making an add-on drive for it.'
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