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- s14sh3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35In the processor war, the clear winner....is us :)
- s14sh3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The new Intel processors kick ass, and that says a lot coming from a longtime AMD fanboy.
- i4mt3hwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22AMD has just began to switch over to 65nm while Intel is switching to 45 by the end of the year.
I think the important thing here though is that while AMD was in the lead they won over some key business like Dell. Hopefully AMD can come back and compete with Intel by the end of the year. - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Difference of $70 for a mid range processor? seems fair enough to me.
- timmertc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Intel has 10 times the budget of AMD, I would hope they could finally be competitive. Considering AMD's size, they've done a fantastic job of not only keeping up with Intel, but mopping the floor with them for quite some time. Intel has finally taken the lead back, but not by a lot.
AMD processors have generally been 20-40% slower in clock speed, but ahead in actual computing power. Yes, this has changed with the Core 2 Duo, but, as was said, AMD hasn't released its newest technology yet, while Intel's newest technology only marginally beats AMD's 3-year-old technology. Pretty impressive on AMD's part! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+26that was dumb...never had heat problems with AMD
- quickjack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I have found that in general, Core 2 duo is 15% faster Ghz to Ghz vs. the X2, so this sounds about right.
Higher power consumption and potentially less overclocking room for this X2 are important to consider as well. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I hope AMD catches up soon, just to keep the pressure on Intel.
At this rate, Intel won't have to do anything but come out with slightly speed-bumped versions of Core 2 Duos for the next year to stay ahead. - BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I just upgraded to an Athlon X2 FX-60 CPU, which should last me for at least two years. I'm still with AMD because I've had an Athlon 64 (single core) CPU for a while and see no reason to upgrade from the Socket 939 platform. Yeah, the Core 2 Duos are awesome and fast, but an FX-60 is plenty fast for my needs and doesn't require an expensive new SLI mobo and DDR2 RAM.
- steelsmack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@7of7
AMD processors aren't going to melt through your case. My X2 processor won't allow me to overclock it enough to get it any hotter than 45 degrees C, and that is NOWHERE close to melting through a case. The Intel fanboy life must really suck, AMD has had the cooler processor for years, and only with C2D has Intel become cooler, and it is a fairly insignificant amount of difference. - lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Hooray for competition.
If AMD hadn't pushed the envelope 3yrs ago, you Intel fanboiz would be a buz over the latest Intel "Aliens" commercial during the SuperBowl.
That said, the ball's in your court AMD. Impress us. - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9used to follow this a lot before intel started craking out those core 2 duos. has AMD started manufacturing using the 65nm process yet?
- weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5yes i believe it's called something like Brisbane core or something like that. I think they made a 5400 and 5600 on 65nm, but apparently they're kind of hard to find retail still. Tom's has a review on them. Supposedly about even with their 90nm counterparts but they run a little cooler and take a little less power, as to be expected I guess.
- tgunner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@weirdone - He says he didn't upgrade his RAM, and motherboard, so your argument is invalid. We dont all need SLI to be in the game, maybe he already had a real goo video card, or even a dual GPU card. No reason to upgrade there. One 8800 class card will still put down two standard series cards in SLI. And ram.... bandwidth isn't everything, dual channel CL2 DDR-400 memory can still hold it's own to most value DDR2 kits. I believe Wookie made a very good choice. Now he can stay put for two years, and see what to do then.
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Maybe I wasn't clear... I already have a nice SLI Socket 939 motherboard and 2 GB of very nice DDR RAM. I've been using an Athlon 64 3200+ overclocked to 2.5 Ghz for a couple of years. I just purchased an FX-60 (Socket 939) for $280 (really good deal) to extend the life of this system.
If I went with Core 2 Duo right now, it would have been about the same price for the CPU + ~$200 for a nice SLI mobo +~$250 for nice DDR2 RAM.
That's why I'm staying with Socket 939. - weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9that logic doesn't make much sense...you get the flagship cpu, most expensive one offered at the time, but then you don't want to spend extra money on an SLI mobo or DDR2 RAM, both of which might cost at the most like $50 more than their cheaper counterparts and are far better performing and SLI means better expandability for a later upgrade to extend the life of your computer past the two years you had set in mind.
- Eallan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Still blown away by my E6600. Been running steady at 3.1GHz since i bought it. These things truly are great. Having said that i was also in love with my A64 @ 2.6 GHz.
I'm like a lot of the rest of you and just happy to see some solid competition. Industry did a total flip flop there where it used to be the "gamers" only bought the A64. Now there really isn't a reason to go with AMD. No reason to be a fanboy to either company, but right now Intel is the way to go. - drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The explanation makes the difference to me.
But I still think the purchase was silly of you. The price difference from top of the line to 2nd best is so large that if you purchased that proc you could get more ram to add to your box and get even better performance than with the top of the line processor. Unless what you do really eats up CPU cycles like encode MPG2 videos all day long. - Tenoq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Which will be piss-easy for Intel, given how overclockable the Core 2 processors are. Quite a few people are achieving 50% overclocks on stock volts, and the majority will easily get 30% on stock volts.
Mind you, even without changing voltage, the heat output of the Core 2 scales quickly as your increase the clock speeds.
I too hope AMD can stay in the race. Competition is the best thing for us, the consumers! - artiomh86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3that if everything goes as planned, could always slip to Q1 2008 which would be just a quarter a head of amd's 45nm processing
- artiomh86, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7would be worrying if they didn't since amd's architecture is 3 years old.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"that was dumb...never had heat problems with AMD"
I never had any heat 'problems' with any CPU, it's not just about if it overheats - with the right cooling rig (even the one in the box with the CPU) and no overclocking all CPUs sold on the market are stable in a normal home or office. You'll never have heat 'problems'. However what a lot of people do have 'problems' with is the amount of heat the damn things blow out of the back, and the associated logistics and fan noise/expense required to shift said heat. I found I couldn't use my Athlon XP box on a summer day because I ended up with a room like a sauna. Conversely using my Mac Pro (ok it's an exceptional example - but it's a nice polar opposite) I have had to put on an extra later in my room on cold evenings because it gives out so little heat, even under heavy work loads. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Thanks for reading the article. From the very end:
"AMD has made some progress on this front, incidentally; the Athlon 64 FX-62 was also a 2.8GHz part, but had a 125W rating. And all of AMD's 65nm CPUs to date have a rating of 65W or less. The progress at 90nm probably helped open up the possibility of 3GHz parts like the X2 6000+.)"
So yeah, they're using the 65nm process already, but it's not 'across the board' yet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AMDs still have the better architecture (low latency, integrated memory controller, Hypertransport bus). I'm sticking with my A64 X2 5600+ as it performs exceptionally well and the AM2 socket will likely have a longer lifespan than LGA 775.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1From the article: "Performance-wise, the X2 6000+ is slower overall than the Core 2 Duo E6700"
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm not sure I understand you... Are you suggesting that I should have bought something like an A64 X2 4400+ and gotten two more GB of RAM, instead of this FX-60?
FX-60 might be top-of-the-line when it comes to Socket 939 CPUs, but it's not this expensive these days. As I said, I only paid $280 (including shipping), which is only about $100 more than a Socket 939 4400+, which is sold out everywhere, by the way.
So, I don't see how this purchase was "silly". - rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8thats why you dont open digg in multiple windows.
replied to wrong topic. - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm afraid I've grown out of the raw horsepower requirement, I'm onto the power vs. efficiency break-over on my machines. My P4 PC sucks (it's not terribly fast and throws out tons of heat) and is going to get a Core2 Duo in it before long. My Mac Pro is totally the opposite. I generates very little heat or noise and is... well... FAST. This comparison proves that although the differences head to head are marginal between the Core2 Duo E6700 and the A64 X2 6000+, if you take into consideration the reduction in heat, and subsequently noise a Core2 Duo machine is slightly fast *and* a lot nicer to sit next to when gaming. It's a no brainer at this point int time I'm afraid.
Yet I *still* have Fanboys hammering me everywhere for buying Intel (yes, okay it's a Mac, but it's still Intel Core2 tech, and the Core2 Extreme and Xeon are very similar anyway), and also recommending others to buy Intel over AMD. I guess all fanboys are the same - can't accept bare facts over their zealoted opinions... - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Cliffs: Core 2 Duo E6700 > Athlon 64 X2 6000+.
I'm not surprised. - drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6I'm going to have to digg you down sir.
(wrote this message on a Athlon 1300 underclocked to 1200 so it doesn't make the terrible overheat alarm and shut down) - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4of course you never had heat problems with amd, you probably bought a $50-$100 heatsink/fan for it.
intel has always been a better processor, it was just that amd took over when their prices were so low. nobody wanted to buy a P4 for $500 when they could get an athlon for $150. now intel has the price down with core2duo and they still are better, they dominate the market again because now people can afford to buy them.
macs only represent a low percentage of the market because they are so expensive, now the mac mini and intel processors are starting to bring apple to the everyday person so expect that market share to climb. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7"Intel has finally taken the lead back, but not by a lot."
Um, did you notice how the 2.6Ghz Core 2 Duo easily outperformed the 3.0Ghz AMD chip at basically everything? Did you notice how the Core 2 Duo system used 33% less energy under load?
Don't forget that Intel also sells 2.93Ghz Core 2 Duo chips, and quad-core 2.6Ghz models as well. AMD is totally hating it. - chetanw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Well said, lateralus!!
- hhOwArdrOarKk, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5Wow, this guy blames everything on Islam.
- nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Actually, the core 2 seems to be beating the Athlon in most of the tests.
One exception seems to be memory bandwidth where, the Athlon clearly beats the core2 here.
AMD used to be famous as a company that produced processors which were faster and cheaper (and more efficient) than Intel equivalents. Seem's that's no longer the case. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -32/+15Actually the AMD probably will end up costing more after it melts through your computer case. Not to mention it's power consumption.
- steven401, on 10/12/2007, -28/+10E6700 (2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo) - $530
X2 6000+ (3.00Ghz AMD 64) - $459
Do you really think that's a fair test? - Easty, on 10/12/2007, -29/+3I don't care.
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