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- greevar, on 09/25/2009, -1/+68Wouldn't you rather put them in your PC?
- AngryDeuce, on 09/25/2009, -1/+34God I wish I had the money to dump on a pair of these...
- jerryjamesstone, on 09/25/2009, -2/+35What? not 40%? No one likes a quitter
- AngryDeuce, on 09/25/2009, -1/+31Hardy Har Har =D
- Psygnosis, on 09/26/2009, -1/+21Must resist urge to upgrade...
- ell0bo, on 09/26/2009, -0/+9resistance is futile
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 09/26/2009, -0/+9HotHardware's full review of the stock card is here: http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-ATI-Radeon-HD- ... - Pretty sweet numbers in the benchmarks.
- BerenTW, on 09/26/2009, -1/+9Well i was already buying one in a month or two, I guess i will be buying the ASUS version.
- danlscarlos, on 09/26/2009, -3/+11I am really looking forward to see what nvidia is coming up with to compete with these.
- javy925, on 09/26/2009, -1/+9first of all, liquid nitrogen is not even remotely practical. second, what data are you basing the following statement off of: "GTX295 SLI OCed will still beat 2x 5870s "tweaked"."
- dagamer34, on 09/26/2009, -1/+7You do realize that a GTX 295 costs $110 more than a Radeon 5870, right?
- Gibletoid, on 09/26/2009, -2/+8I bet the next one will be even faster.
- bretto, on 09/26/2009, -0/+6Whoa, looks like it's time for me to upgrade. The 5870 is 4 times faster than my 3870. That's pretty insane. I'll probably pick up a 5850 in a few months when the price drops a little. ATI is really bringing some great stuff.
- Dgen_X, on 09/26/2009, -1/+6I'll take things a young Pamela Anderson may have said for $500 Alex
Is that still relevant? - Evilblobs, on 09/26/2009, -0/+5Source is CPU limited because of how... unsophisticated (and thus how little power it takes to render) the graphical part of the engine is.
- se7envii, on 09/26/2009, -1/+52 of the 5870 cards (in crossfire) are so powerful that in game, a Core i7 965 OC'd to 3.75GHz causes a bottleneck.
Quote: "GPU scaling; as this article has proven performance is downright banging... we have so much horsepower underneath that PC hood that games will start to become bottlenecked by an overclocked Core i7 processor, which is weird yet... sexy somehow. A CPU bottleneck is not necessarily a bad thing really, as games progress and develop to a more advance state, it will balance out evenly again. The one title that I hoped would scale a little better was Crysis Warhead, but still, the performance was really good regardless of that remark."
Source: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-cross ... - NoTiG, on 09/26/2009, -0/+4some people like to get raped....
- NoTiG, on 09/26/2009, -0/+4does someone seriously honestly need 2 of these? I mean maybe if you have a ridiculous resolution but for most people.... I just hate cluttering up my case I guess.
I think it is inevitable that NVIdia will come out with something that competes or beats this but will they do it with style or will their video card be freaking huge and capable of heating your entire house during winter is the question - hoodedrobin, on 09/26/2009, -0/+4yeah its also 4 times as big...
- Qumahlin, on 09/26/2009, -0/+3Your right. Thats why they didn't claim that.
"the world's first EAH5800 series graphics card with "voltage tweak technology""
Notice that does not say the worlds first video card with voltage tweaking...other ATI cards have it as well. They are saying its the first 5800 hitting the streets to be tweakable.
Reading comprehension FTW - ortucis, on 09/26/2009, -0/+3After the release forums all over the place will still be filled with people waiting for next driver updates to fix their issues and actually increase in-game performance.
I am not a fanboy, it's the same ***** with nVidia or ATI/AMD. Instead of PR talk and other ***** involved in such "MASSIVE PERFORMANCE BOOST!" maybe these companies can work on proper drivers that don't ***** on user system every few releases. Oh and keep supporting older hardware ffs. It was the same story with my kickass 9600XT (ATI) and 6800GS (nVidia), I was forced to abandon them eventually cause apparently only new expensive cards could be boosted performance-wise in all driver updates after few months (of their release).
nVidia + ATI/AMD = Raping YOU! - XFi6, on 09/26/2009, -0/+3Dugg for consistency.
- fuzzynyanko, on 09/26/2009, -1/+4I think so, but they will probably cost $500-600 instead of $379
- decyx, on 09/26/2009, -1/+4The GTX 295 is a dual GPU so running two of them at the same time would technically be considered a Quad-SLi setup. Considering how close the HD 5870, a single GPU card, comes to beating a GTX 295 in most cases, I'd say it's just as great as the article makes it sound and I'm betting that its performance will only get better as drivers mature and more developers adopt DX11.
Additionally, although it is true that increasing the voltage on a video card will decrease its lifespan, Asus' three-year warranty covers it. The additional cost, which is purely speculative, is really a moot point when you consider the fact that it's geared towards hardcore overclockers who I'm sure won't hesitate to fork over the extra cash. It's all about bragging rights for them. - JulioChavez, on 09/26/2009, -1/+4Yes. AMD == ATI pretty much. AMD bought ATI like 3 years ago. ( or it was announced 3 years ago ) Everyone said they paid way too much, especially 3 years later and still no hope of Fusion for at least another year. I've thought it was a good move ever since the 4850/70 was released.
- Evilblobs, on 09/26/2009, -0/+3Quad SLI (and to be fair, quad crossfire) is nothing but a world of hurt.
- JulioChavez, on 09/26/2009, -1/+4If you're worried about "heat and noise", you can throw your GTX295 in the garbage. The 5870 has a TDP of 188W. That's much, much less than the virtually obsolete GTX295. Increasing the voltage does have a more drastic effect on TDP than overclocking but not 65% drastic. The GTX295 will not do anything 10-15% faster than this Asus card. Not even 1%.
"At load, the HD5870 consumes more than 120W less than the GTX295, allowing savings on the PSU in any gaming build."
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/09/radeon- ...
The 5870x2, of course, will be somewhere around 380W TDP.. That's gonna be hot and noisy but I'd wager it will destroy dual GTX295s. If you want to talk about dual 5870x2's O.O then we may as well start talking about getting 3-phase 440V service run to your house. - Ricochetbiscuit, on 09/26/2009, -0/+2No, I think the article says that these are the first Radeon HD 5870 cards you can do that with, not the first graphics cards ever to do it.
- Qumahlin, on 09/26/2009, -2/+4Not likely. The next bottleneck for that type of setup would be the memory architecture, not the CPU
Certain game engines would be CPU limited due to their coding such as the source engine. - dagamer34, on 09/26/2009, -1/+3Considering that it's going to miss the Windows 7 launch by 2 months (it's supposed to be out by December), I don't think it really matters if it dominates. Also, ATI is probably going to be able to put out mid-range cards faster than nVidia and that's where the real money is to be made for board makers (volume sales).
I know I'm waiting for a low-profile 5650/5670 to stick in to my HTPC. I love the fact that the cards can bitstream Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS Master Audio now! - javy925, on 09/26/2009, -0/+25870 crossfire benchmark: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643& ...
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -1/+2@AngryDeuce - is that what you would dump on them? An AngryDeuce?
"Please stop ***** on the hardware!" - Evilblobs, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1Each manufacturer has its array of features, ATI lacks the stock-driver 3d abilities, CUDA, and physx.
Also, as an ATI man, i will completely admit that Nvidia has a far superior past with drivers, and windows 7 isn't even out on retail yet. - inactive, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1Wrong. Go to http://ati.com and see where it takes you.
Read about it on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Technologies
"In 2006, the company was acquired by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) and was renamed the AMD Graphics Product Group or ATI Technologies ULC, although the ATI brand was retained for graphics cards." - joshconsulting, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1"You do realize that a GTX 295 costs $110 more than a Radeon 5870, right?"
Since when can you get a 5870 OCed (40-50$ more then the regular) for less then 340?
"first of all, liquid nitrogen is not even remotely practical."
I undestand that LN2 is not practical for every day; I'm simply using it as an example that you can push cards far, FAR beyond their limits, but it's neither easy nor good for them.
"second, what data are you basing the following statement off of: "GTX295 SLI OCed will still beat 2x 5870s "tweaked".""
Most benchmarks, such as http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/amd-radeon- ... show the 295 as having a 10-15% advantage.
"Additionally, although it is true that increasing the voltage on a video card will decrease its lifespan, Asus' three-year warranty covers it. The additional cost, which is purely speculative, is really a moot point when you consider the fact that it's geared towards hardcore overclockers who I'm sure won't hesitate to fork over the extra cash. It's all about bragging rights for them."
Except that your paying 20-30$ less for 10-15% less performance. I understand they are willing to pay more, but currently the best card at any price is a Quad-SLI setup with 2 295s for 900$, vs 840$ for 2x5870 oced. And a three year warranty sucks compared to most nVidia cards' lifetime warranties. - Remingtonh, on 10/19/2009, -0/+1but will it run crysis?
- tmcdigg, on 10/03/2009, -0/+1Pricing not available? The latest 48XX series goes for about $400 "street" price now.. so this is obviously a $500 card. Well out of the budget of most of us SANE poor people. I personally don't see how this race for ever increasing "frame rates" will make a better graphics experience.. YES we all want more & faster memory, & GPU processing power to spare for offloaded tasks, but really... this might be getting to the point where graphics cards don't hold any additional "shock value" in terms of pricing power, except to early adopters of top of the line parts (as if it's ever been anything different).
My hope is that this technology gets REAL CHEAP, REAL FAST.. say priced under $250 by like March, 2010.. (yeah, dream on.. haha) One can hope ATI will do the right thing and phase out its non direct-x 11 cards and create a new lineup at affordable pricing ($40-$250, not $400-$900) - bigstinky, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1I run EVGA gear and have utilized the GVT app for a while with really nice results. I really like my 280 ftw's, cripes I have always been an EVGA user, but i have been really unhappy with driver support lately. Maybe it's time to try something new.
- offycakes, on 09/26/2009, -1/+2Ahhh... I <3 ASUS.
- tehknotte, on 09/26/2009, -1/+2ANUS TWEAAAAKS!
- danwallace, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1Crossfire a couple of 4870's. Works great with my i7 920.
- inactive, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1Help a digger out.
Upgrading some parts on my old pc, it has an old school "conventional" pci slot and i want a graphics card for it.
The best card that i can see that supports pci is the Geforce 5700 le 256mb. the geforce 5500 also seems to.
So is there better (or has this tech been left faaaar behind) and what could it run? half life 2? Team fortress etc.
also with it help hd video run smother?
feel free to laugh at my cutting edge tech.
Edit: its dimension 2350 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim2 ...
2.5ghz 1gb ram XP sp 3 - B3bomber, on 09/26/2009, -0/+1Eh... Most cases the 5700 is $60 and hard to find. For the problems you have I would say buy a new system. If you know how to swap parts you'll do fine. Most the bottom line video cards are $12-20 extra. Just make sure to check actual specifications off newegg for motherboards (of the makers site) if you know something uses IDE instead of SATA.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
You can swap the HDD from that old thing into the new one as long as you can activate Windows (if not they have options, though brings price up). The shipping tends to be ~1/4 the cost of even a stripped down computer on that site. Mess with all the configuration things as sometimes the business section has slightly cheaper of the same parts than the desktop. There tends to be promotional prices from time to time as well on different parts.
The newer CPU probably use less power than the ole P4 space heater (don't know which version you got, but P4 in general were crap processors). I got my <$375 core2 duo box from there and swapped in parts. The FedEx shipping brought it up to ~$475 (that's all they offer but you for sure get your system). - NeoX1980, on 10/01/2009, -0/+0I think it is because Crossfire needs to be tweaked to produce a more linear performance boost by adding the second card. it could possibly have to do with the memory not being fast enough on the board.
- shamanking911, on 09/26/2009, -7/+6I read somewhere an i7 bottlenecks two 5870's in Crossfire. Is this true? or can someone with more knowledge enlighten me on this.
- wukillabee, on 09/26/2009, -2/+1haha, enjoy your 1.4% nvidia
- captcanuk, on 09/26/2009, -2/+1Nope. It'll probably be too hot, too loud and maybe have the same performance.
At best, it will have Direct X 11 and cost $100 more, at worst it won't be DX 11 and will be $550.
Even after all that, it still won't have Eyefinity or decent Win 7 support.
In short, if it catches up, it will be a big suprise as right now, it's being dominated. - falco217, on 09/26/2009, -3/+1It was pretty subtle, not surprised nobody understood it. He means that Ati = win and AMD = fail.
- illegalday, on 09/26/2009, -4/+0Hmmm... AMD != ATI???
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