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- tophfisher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17CalgaryTechGuy:
Don't tell that to your Dish Washer, Electric Tooth Brush, or your Washing machine. Just a heads up! - CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Ahhh I knew they were out to get me!
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Actually, and you may already know this, but pure water is non conductive. Water an electricity get along quite nicely. It's the impurities in tap water that make it conductive.. and it's very hard to keep it clean enough to remain an insulator, hence non-consuctive fluids like FluroiNert, etc.
- Brecourt_Manor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think this kit is great. I wish I could get a similar kit (for only $50) for the AMD processor.
A quite, sealed kit i could rely upon for 5 years with solid pipes for $50. - mvnicosia, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7yeah, but this is done with better manufacturing techniques
- Dhalgren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I would gladly pay $50 for 4dB... I hope it ISN'T a stop-gap.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Rumor is they designed the beast a few years ago, but couldn't ever get approval to manufacture it until recently (because the Pentium 4 guys are all afraid their brilliant architecure is about to bite the dust, and convinced upper management to give it a green-light).
It's actually a really incredible design, it's entirely self-contained and regulating (unlike most water cooling systems which require you change the water out, etc). The guys in Intel even came up with a (crazy) testing procedure to insure it'd safely work (read the slides).
Oh, and this setup will work just as well on a processor like Conroe as it will a processor like Prescott. - Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You might find this enlightening:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
Water pretty much runs the show, and is generally only cut with other liquids for corrosion resistance. Most common additives are less effective than just plain old water.
Ethylene Glycol is LESS effective at conducting heat than water.. it just lowers the freezing point. Also, in some situations (like when aluminum and copper are present in the situation) it helps to inhibit galvanic corrosion. - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Silence is one of the perks of a (nice) water system.
- sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds great, but where's the flair? You know... neon tubing, UV dye, glowing water block, 20 inch rims, curb feelers, etc???
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I don't see how this is any different than the ThermalTake Silent Water and CoolerMaster AquaGate offerings.. or even the old GlobalWin Silent Stream. I currently use the ThermalTake Big Water system it works absolutely fabulously for me, even though it's not as extreme as some of the Danger Den or Swiftech setups. I run it with two GPU coolers (one on my vid card and one on my northbridge) and a hard drive cooler, and it keeps my P4 505 (2.66Ghz Prescott) running quiet and cool at 3.8Ghz. Only the 120mm radiator fan and the PSU (which is variable and turned almost all the way down). It's damn near silent.. and it's a Prescott.. If you are still afraid of water cooling, you haven't been paying attention to how far along it's come.
- Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fanless?
http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-reserator1-plus.html
As a watercooling enthusiast, I'm unimpressed with Intel's solution. If you are going to seal the system you might as well use liquid metal, like ATI. http://www.physorg.com/news4198.html - blankman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah its cool until the day it leaks all over the inside and destroys everything
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If it's quieter than the stock fan...sign me up. I would rather have a system that was quiet than an EXTREME over clocked system that was noisier than hell.
- aztekm30, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I herd this was going to retail for $50 US or so. Can anyone verify?
- yoshu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i wish they could have done some temp comparisons against other watercooled rigs. But I digg it anyway
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Now thats just some old fashioned ownage. digg'd tophfisher's comment :p
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It's an interesting design. Hopefully it doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner.
- Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Intel should of brought these out a while ago to cool their Prescotts. Now that they're close to canning the P4's and switching to Conroe they won't need them anymore.
- Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Interesting that the chip manufacturers are finally getting into alternative methods of cooling. I'm unconvinced that this would give better performance (temps or volume) than a DIY aftermarket solution, however something that doesn't require 'tweaking' or modifications to install, which comes prefilled with sterile coolant and tubing allowing minimal light to pass should stop bio-growth and yield very minimal maintenance - which is what the average user out there wants.
Of course, quieting down a PC means finding the bottleneck and addressing that issue. Once the CPU is running fairly low volumes, the loud part will become the GPU - and this solution doesn't offer expandability to cool the gpu. Without really standardized video cards, it wouldn't be easy to create a no-fuss watercooled solution using inflexible fixed-length tubing.
For enthusiasts, aftermarket kits or cases with embedded watercooling are still a very appealing idea. For people who 'just' want a quiet stable computer with no fuss or hassle - this could be very popular. - Tonyisbad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How is this any different from my aquagate mini?
- saleh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's 4 BA, or 40 dBA.
- Hyperion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Which is why a 90% Distilled Water, 10% Antifreeze solution is used for the coolant in most water cooling setups.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nice hardware setup. I would not mind just getting that cooling block.
but from what I've seen the next gen cpus are going to be running cooler and at higher speeds.
kind of making all this extra cooling unwanted.
Also looking at the setup. it would never fix in my full size case.
As mine are full of drives in the same location where there placing all the radiator, fan and air director. - Inflame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does this work with socket 478 chips?
- bnolsen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Being able to air cool a processor without using lots of power rules (Athlon64/P3+ processors)
However for servers that really need the kick this looks like it might be a good option. - Squeegee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Interesting. But is water the ONLY cooling liquid? To be honest, I am not educated in this area. But are there
other liquids or oils that would be better? - joxrox22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sweet. That's it. Thanks, Snarfy! The future of tomorrow has arrived but now is there something that's fluidless?
- joxrox22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Okay, I'm still seeing fans running for the radiator and power supply. After time these fans will need replacing as it'll get nosier from dust accumulation. I am anxious for a cooling system WITHOUT ANY FANS. ABSOLUTE SILENCE. So let's press on towards this innovation shall we?
- staydead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hm.. freezing point of -18 C? Better make sure and not leave your computer in the car during winter (for colder climates) :)
- srod, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1It will be nice to see how this whole system works out
- aten, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I loved my intel cant wait til the new one comes out!
- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I hope this is just a stopgap. I remember when they had portable Pentium Is with liquid cooling for a mere 16 grand.
- DiggerTheDog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"the fliud cooled powermac uses heat pipes, not real liquid cooling. heatpipes have been around since before computers i beleive to cool power plants and such."
I can't comment about heat pipes but my dual 2.7 G5 has radiators and the colling system is made by Delphi. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Ethylene Glycol is the primary cooling liquid in these units (besides water, which is actually not a very good cooling liquid, as it takes a /lot/ of energy to raise its temperature). As you may or may not know, it's the main ingredient in anti-freeze, because it's so good at conducting heat. These units have a 35% mixture of Ethylene Glycol and H2O.
Of course, a whole host of other materials exist that do really good at cooling, but most are flameable (alcohols) which aren't good for electronics, and a lot of them are conductive (conductive = corrosion + shorted out equipment). And a bunch of other good ones have been stated above that are entirely environmentally negative (not that Ethlyene Glycol is good for the Earth either). - oneMadRssn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2the fliud cooled powermac uses heat pipes, not real liquid cooling. heatpipes have been around since before computers i beleive to cool power plants and such.
- 9mmCensor, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4i shall await the www.procooling.com analysis....
- GiGiStyle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0Yo JOEP dit was dat aparaat waar ik het over had :P
- DiggerTheDog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3I agree, it's not innovative but it is a nice enhancement for a Wintel box. The case still looks like a rat's nest, nothing at all like a fluid cooled Powermac. It's the same old hardware comparison of Camaro vs. BMW. Both can be fast.
- CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3It still scares me: water and electricity don't mix well
- colinmhayes, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3eh, they just combined a few parts. I don't really see that as all that innovative
- colinmhayes, on 10/12/2007, -23/+4water cooling systems are nothing new.
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