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- VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -6/+275There are the keys ctrl-alt-del on an ATM?
- Tanglefuzz, on 10/12/2007, -23/+209ah yes, this is the fault of windows. It couldn't happen on a Mac or a Linux machine, and it is in no way, _no_way_ the fault of the people who maintain the machine.... :)
/sigh - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -7/+159The fact it runs windows is pretty insignificant here. The idiots who configured it did not remove the start menu but simply put it on autohide or minimised it or something. The same thing could be done with Ubuntu if it was equally misconfigured.
For windows, either change the shell
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE / SOFTWARE / Microsoft / Windows NT / CurrentVersion / Winlogon]
"Shell"="Explorer.exe"
^^ change that to some other app.
Or write your program to disable it.
procedure HideTaskBar;
var
wndHandle : THandle;
wndClass : array[0..50] of Char;
begin
StrPCopy(@wndClass[0], 'Shell_TrayWnd');
wndHandle := FindWindow(@wndClass[0], nil);
ShowWindow(wndHandle, SW_HIDE);
end;
Seriously, who pays these monkeys. - inactive, on 11/13/2007, -15/+138whatever happened to "owned"
at least it didn't sound AS retarded - wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -16/+112Why *make* it when Windows will do it for you?
- squirrelza, on 10/12/2007, -7/+95On screen keyboard
- PixelVision, on 10/12/2007, -7/+85and since when is opening Paint and painting "PWNED" or whatever actually "owning" the machine anyway?
- thehomeskillet, on 11/13/2007, -15/+90There was something similar at the gas station I used to work at. All you had to do was hit ctrl-alt-del and end a task and you could surf the web all you wanted.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+77*****
- Justinpirate, on 11/13/2007, -13/+74You could be making ***** up and I wouldn't know. Sounds like you know your ***** though... dugg.
- Synchro, on 11/13/2007, -3/+64You want scary? In the building I work in downtown Seattle, the elevators are controlled by windows XP. In each of the lobbies of the floors are kiosks with the number of the floors those banks serve. You click on the floor you want and it tells you to go to a certain elevator door where it them proceeds to take you to the floor you want. There are no numbered floor buttons inside each elevator any longer. When they first installed them my boss came to one of the kiosks and it had the New Hardware Found screen up. he walked through the wizard until it found the "elevator control module", clicked a few more times and then it errored out altogether. nice! Every once in a while I see an elevator kiosk at the start menu. creeps me out that I have to actually put my life in the hands of Windows.
- ropers, on 10/12/2007, -7/+64@mdhauke:
Your education awaits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+67i followed the link and looked at the pics...still waiting for hilarity to ensue
- KingBabi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+65Paint comes straight from the depths of hell.
And yes, hell looks like a poorly compressed JPEG filled with horrible cut/paste jobs. - XBackstabberX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+56definitely a "1337 hax0r"
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50I almost bought a lottery ticket last night, and if I did I could have won.... and *if* a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.
- MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -9/+52why didn't she make a BSOD wallpaper?!?
- Tanglefuzz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44@coredump0x01:
but when you decide to run a machine like this on windows, you should be aware of the fact that there's stuff like a start menu, and you could/should have removed it completely instead of letting it 'hide'.
(for example) - Ninja337, on 10/12/2007, -5/+42Haha, Mew is a pokemon.
- Saffa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35Yeah I don't know why windows gets the blame here, if people are going to write ATM software as a windows desktop app they have build the appropriate precautions.
- darkamster07, on 11/13/2007, -5/+35"Exactly. Programs never crash on Linux or OS X. Ever."
I love OS X and would never switch, but are you serious?
unexpectedly quit anyone? - GordonV, on 10/12/2007, -13/+41Proof showing that marketting, not security, sells.
Is there a way to record hardware calls? Perhaps the call to eject $20's? - Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28I thought he was being sarcastic...
- reknaps, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30How about nearly all ATM machines run windows. I worked for a company that installed them for all the big banks on the east coast. Its a little shocking, but they all have a regular ol' PC inside.
Knowing that, its surprising you dont see more of these errors. - nickerbocker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Okay, first of all, how does one push Windows+R on a computer with no keyboard or no access to the keyboard? I know there is an onscreen keyboard you can bring up but if you couldn't get there in the first place that wouldn't be possible. Second, usually when software crashes in an operating system it is due to bad programming on the part of the software. Back in the day a software crash would bring Windows with it and now they rarely do. I have had programs crash and I just blame the program. Windows XP itself has rarely crashed on me and when it had it was generally caused by me and my experimenting with settings.
Yes, I believe it is the fault of who ever configured the ATM's software. Windows has a lot of Group Policy objects that can control access. I maintain networks and computers for charter schools and when a Student logs in they have access to only the programs that they need for classes. That is it. No "All Programs" menu, no Run command (Not even Windows+R works), no right click, no My Computer. They have a shortcut on the desktop to their mapped drive and the start menu has the programs, that is it. So yes it was the fault of the admin and not Windows. An operating system is as secure as the user makes it. - fLUx1337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23I did something like thos at a Boots clubcard machine...
It was hucked upto the speakers thoughout the shop, to advertise promotions, ect.........so I put Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) on! :P (from the sample music folder lol)
Not bad, took staff nearly 2 hours to work out where the music was coming from! LMAO
Ah the startmenu, known like the back of peoples hand by 99% of the world! - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23You only need one period after your "sentences", if they can be called that.
- knubile, on 11/13/2007, -0/+21The developers are 100% to blame here. Who uses a desktop OS for ATM application? There are lots of choices of the embedded nature.
Customized Linux builds, Windows CE and XP Embedded. I don't know anything about the other solutions, but XP Embedded lets you build windows from the ground up.
Don't want explorer. gone.
Don't want windows-R functionality.. gone
Don't want an on screen keyboard - gone.
The ATM application would run as the shell and this type of thing could never be done.
This is clearly a crappy implementation made by terrible developers. With such a stupid mistake like that left blatantly out in the open, I won't want bugs must exist in the ATM software itself.
Aren't these things regulated somehow? - xbudex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Badpiggy lives in Santa Cruz, the blog is from a girl that lives in Santa Cruz. There are only a few movie theaters in Santa Cruz, and it looks like this is the big theater on Pacific. I call no bull *****.
- jeffness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20i dont think its an ATM. I think it's one of those ticket redemption machines for online ordering.
- PresidentSoup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Same thing happened to a ticket vending machine in a Loews Theater by me. There was a piece of paper stuck to it that said "out of order" and behind it was a windows 95 desktop. gg.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Why the heck is her hacker name "Mew"?
- reknaps, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20And they run Windows XP btw
(missed the edit cutoff) - itjamesd, on 11/13/2007, -3/+18can digg please stop overusing "hilarity ensues" its getting boring and just plain annoying, like every AMAZING HDR Picture submition that seems to be on the front page of digg all the time.
- coredump0x01, on 11/13/2007, -2/+16If i had to do something like this in Windows, I'd code a separate monitor program which polls the status of the ATM software every x seconds and restarts it if it's found to be not running, or message maintenance people. Either that or have it promptly shut down/restart the system to prevent such abuse and limit potential exposure of sensitive data.
- postmaster3000, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25Windows gets the blame because the application was down in the first place. All the security measures you just named are useless if the UI exposes the Windows-R key combination, which will then allow one to run mspaint.exe directly. The real way to secure a windows station is to use modify the system policy so that end users cannot launch programs at all.
- TheTrueAPlus, on 11/13/2007, -0/+13I've seen ATMs here at Kent State where there were ZoneAlarm warnings. I managed to stay away from those.
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20The verb to pwn (past tense: pwned, pwnd, pwn'd, pwnt, pooned) as used by the Internet gaming subculture, means to beat or dominate an opponent. While it probably originated as a typing error of the word own, it is now used intentionally by many members of the subculture. The term has become so ubiquitous in Internet circles that it is often used outside of gaming contexts; for example, "He just got pwned in that debate" or "The hunters pwned that bear."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWNED - neko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Well then it's an Automated Ticket Machine. Which should -also- not be running some poorly designed software on top of a basic XP install.
- TheSeeker11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11That's it, I'm heading to Boots tomorrow after which hijinks will ensue.
- Takteek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15That's the first thing I'd do!
- GordonV, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Man, this gives a new dimension to the term Keylogger
- Dominatus, on 11/13/2007, -12/+21"Windows gets the blame because the application was down in the first place."
Exactly. Programs never crash on Linux or OS X. Ever.
"All the security measures you just named are useless if the UI exposes the Windows-R key combination, which will then allow one to run mspaint.exe directly."
Yeah. No way to launch programs as a normal user in Linux either...
"The real way to secure a windows station is to use modify the system policy so that end users cannot launch programs at all."
So...it's the fault of the admin then? - Ignotus, on 11/13/2007, -1/+10I saw one of these on Discovery or Science channel. The one I saw had the same type of controls in the lobby but the kicker is that it has two elevators in one shaft to save space by cutting the number of elevator shafts. That's why it uses a more advanced computer to keep track of where the elevators are at and which one you should take to get to your destination the quickest. If yours is a two-in-one build, good luck with that. ;-p I don't blame Windows for this particular ATM situation either; it's the fault of whoever set it up and maintains it. But when it comes to life and death, like elevators and having two in one shaft, I'd rather not trust my life to Windows.
- BadPiggy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's not *****. I wasn't messing with paint though. Just the task bar and stuff. I actually used to work there as well. I now work at the other movie theater on Pacific, The Del Mar.
- digggggggggg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8ATM's used to use custom designed and manufactured hardware. They were functional, adequate, and dependable.
Whatever happened to the right hardware for the right job? Why is it that just about everything that handles cash (ATM's, ticket vending machines, self checkouts, etc.) nowadays is just an app running on top of Windows? Am I the only one disturbed by the fact that this is a horribly inefficient solution for a nonexistent problem? - pritch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7There was a machine near where I used to live that for a period of several months had a Windows DHCP client error message on the screen; didn't make much difference to the actual operation of the machine, you could still use it, but you had to guess what the text obscured by the error said.
- Frost9999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Soon there will be election related posts that have 'Hillary ensues' or 'Hillary's ensuite' or 'Hillary and shoes' 'Hillary then sues' etc etc..
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hopefully you would get your money and it not get logged that you got it. That would be sweet!
- KenOh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here in China I see ATMs (the money kind, not for tickets) crashed all the time with a big win error window. I had to take out about a thousand USD to pay rent and other start up things when I first got here, so it scares me to think what would have happened if it crashed on me.
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