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- gta3mobster, on 01/28/2008, -8/+48If AMD doesn't want to get driven into the ground they need to start kickin' ass. Soon. It seems ATi is their most reasonable outlet to increase revenues at this point in time. Their current operation isn't sustainable, though... And as great as Intel/nVidia currently is, everyone loses when there isn't any competition.
- Darth, on 01/28/2008, -2/+28Conclusion - AMD has delivered an impressive piece of technology; the ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2. While it has some trouble catching up to the performance of the GeForce 8800 GTX, it produces a satisfying gameplay experience. The fact is that unless you are running a 30” monitor the HD 3870 X2 is likely going to “outrun” your display anyway. With the promise of updated drivers it has potential for an improved gameplay experience, and we think that will come. The 3870 X2 is a good value at $449, but the GeForce 8800 GTX is a better value if you can find one on sale like those linked above and don’t mind the MIR. If pricing settles out around the $400 - $420 mark, the ATI HD 3870 X2 is going to be that much more of an attractive video card. And of course we are looking forward to CrossFireX with this card as well. Hopefully we will be showing that off soon.
And the last thing to say - (Editor's Note: You will see here today that our evaluation of the gaming performance produced by this video card does not track with some other big sites on the Web, and the simple fact is that those sites did not measure "gaming performance." Those sites measured frames per second performance in canned benchmarks and even some of them went as far as to use cut scenes from games to pull their data from. I have been part of this industry for years now and we are seeing now more than ever where real world gaming performance and gaming "benchmarks" are not coming to the same conclusions. Remember that when we evaluate video cards, we use them exactly the way you would use them. We play games on them and collect our data. Another thing to think about is this. Do game developers want to provide built in benchmarks that show their games running slow? Or would the game developers rather put a game "benchmark" in that shows their game hauling ass? Do you think that slow benchmarks equal more sales? The "3dfx way" of evaluating video cards is DEAD. It did have its time and place, but we are beyond that now. Any person using those methods to influence your video card purchase is likely irresponsible in doing so. You might even consider them liable. And I think that is going to come bubbling to the surface more and more as the industry matures. ) - frgmstr, on 01/28/2008, -7/+29R700 will be along this summer and will be a different animal. We have to keep in mind that this 3870 X2 is basically the disappointing 2900 shrunk to 55nm, and not much more. That said, this is far and away from a bad product, it really is a good card and the likelihood of its limitations every becoming clear are when you have a 30" monitor. Otherwise you just don't have enough pixels to really challenge it. On the other hand, you can pick up some hella deals on 8800 GTX today as well and we think the GTX is still an overall better performing card when it comes to real world gaming.
- Picer, on 01/28/2008, -3/+23AMDs card was a few frames slower on most but excelled on Halflife 2, there it beat the GTX by nearly 10 fps, for AMDs sake I hope the card doe well.
- pcpimpster, on 01/28/2008, -0/+18"AMD ruined CPU's" is a retarded statement.
Without AMD's 64 series of CPUs you would not have gotten your current Core 2 from Intel for another couple years.
Competition drives innovation and the AMD 64 series did just that.
How quickly we forget. - aspec, on 01/28/2008, -4/+19I thought the 9700 Pro, 9800 Pro and X800 Pro were all excellent cards. They did an excellent job defeating competitors' cards in benchmarks and image quality. Maybe you forgot about the Fx5000 and FX6000 series of GeForce Cards?
- V1ncent, on 01/28/2008, -4/+18Nvidia's the better deal by far. I agree though that Nvidia and ATI need to keep going head to head so that each will make better and better cards so we all win out in the end.
- endlessraining, on 01/28/2008, -16/+30ron paul
- Rippleeffect, on 01/28/2008, -4/+17Except for the fact that Tom's is using lots of canned benchmarks.. Last time I checked, I dont play benchmarks, but actual gameplay. And yes, I like it [H]ard
- hawkspur, on 01/28/2008, -3/+16The 8800 Ultra is going for 700 dollars plus. The X2 is going for 450+ and outperforms the former in several areas on newly released drivers.
- Xynthesis, on 01/28/2008, -3/+14you - "The card was just released and it's outperforming the 8800 Ultra on most benchmarks."
hardocp - "In every game except Half Life 2: Episode 2, the GeForce 8800 GTX delivered higher framerates." - YojimboJango, on 01/28/2008, -2/+12From all the reviews I've seen they say this card matches or slightly beats 8800 ultra in performance.
New egg lists the cheapest 8800 ultra for $629.99
New egg lists the cheapest 3870x2 for $449.00
If you are realistically going to buy a card, why would you pay an extra $180 just for a brand name? This is a serious question. There are a lot of fanboys out there that will bash this card, but I'd really like to know. You have two cards and the difference in performance is negligible. What drives you to pay an extra $180 bucks? - TnTBass, on 01/28/2008, -2/+11Some like it [H]ard.
- cdawzrd, on 01/28/2008, -1/+10Did you read the article?
- darkstar5555, on 01/28/2008, -2/+10to bad for you, my ATI's been good for me
- Daiken, on 01/28/2008, -14/+22The card is really nice but I dunno why you people are submitting the HardOCP version to Digg. The benchmarks and graphs are terribly done. Tomshardware has probably the most comprehensive review.
- hawkspur, on 01/28/2008, -5/+13Another good review that answers a lot of questions:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/28/ati_r680_th ... - kidcodea, on 01/28/2008, -8/+16not really. Imho this is all you need to see:
While it has some trouble catching up to the performance of the GeForce 8800 GTX, it produces a satisfying gameplay experience. The fact is that unless you are running a 30” monitor the HD 3870 X2 is likely going to “outrun” your display anyway. With the promise of updated drivers it has potential for an improved gameplay experience, and we think that will come. The 3870 X2 is a good value at $449, but the GeForce 8800 GTX is a better value - sundancekid503, on 01/28/2008, -1/+8nVidia's cards have had their share of problems, for instance the NVLDDMKM issue still remains unsolved for many customers, causing them to crash intermittently. I'm glad there is an alternative because personally I experienced many problems with my 8800 before I finally gave up and got a 3870 instead. There may be a fractional difference in performance, but for me the 3870 actually WORKS whereas the 8800 was very unstable.
- MaoSca, on 01/28/2008, -0/+7check other reviews, you'll see this is the only review this card is not compared to an Ultrav and it doesn't beat it in most benchmarks
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/28/amds-radeon-hd- ... - frgmstr, on 01/28/2008, -1/+8The fact is that you don't "need" a $450 video card if you don't have a 24" or 30" monitor. This is upper end hardware, not meant for smaller displays.
- colto, on 01/28/2008, -0/+7I'm pretty sure that the linux camp isn't what is hurting AMD the most. More like ***** drivers in general and cards that can't keep up with what NVidia is churning out(performance wise, cost wise AMD is pretty good).
/linux user - oderdigg, on 01/28/2008, -6/+13I don't like HardOCP because of many reasons. They use difference settings on each card (totally stupid) and they hardly ever test more than 2 cards at one time. Totally ***** gei review.
On the topic of AMD/ATI vs Nvidia, AMD/ATI is totally playing catchup to Nvidia. The 8000 series has dominated easily and after 2 year on top, ATI/AMD has something that comes close. The ATI/AMD card does use more power, takes up 2 slots, is longer than any 8000 except the Ultra (I think the GTX is shorter) and it's still 450$.
I'm glad I got my 8800GT's. =) - cdawzrd, on 01/28/2008, -2/+9Note that HardOCP uses "realworld" benches, meaning they don't use the same settings on each card, that is, if a card does better than another card, they turn up settings until they are about equal. The AMD was only "a few frames slower" on the other games, but the nVidia card had higher settings enabled.
- bobdigi, on 01/28/2008, -0/+7Once again another Digg reader doesn't read the article.
- Dylson, on 01/28/2008, -0/+7With a statement like that, one would assume that he probably didn't.
- Vindicoth, on 01/28/2008, -0/+6I do both.
- SpectralSounds, on 01/28/2008, -5/+11The Nvidia 8800 series was launched in 2006. Now that ATi is actually trying to compete, however late they are. I'm sure the 9000 series will be released and the midrange Nvidia 9xxx series will decimate this card. Too little too late if you ask me. No way would I buy this card.
- solid12345, on 01/28/2008, -0/+61,400 isn't exactly cheap either.
- dsmx, on 01/29/2008, -1/+6Silly question if ron paul was president he would make ATI release a card that can beat the 8800GTX conclusively.
- Zero82z, on 01/28/2008, -1/+6The shader processors on nVidia`s cards are clocked at a speed much higher than the actual GPU, whereas ATI`s cards have the shader processors running at the same frequency as the GPU. That`s one of the reasons for such a high discrepancy between 320(or in this case 640) shader units on ATI`s cards and 112-128 on nVidia`s high-end cards.
- SSCrow, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5I really don't like Benchmarks that are unrealistic.
Everyone bitches about the requirements for Crysis, and how you have to invest a ton of money just to have it play well.
Which is *****.
my P4 Dual Processor 3.86 ghz + 2 GB ram + Geforce 8600 can run crysis at medium settings with a steady frame rate at 1024x768
Give me stats that are practical to the performance that I will get out of the Card.. - frgmstr, on 01/29/2008, -0/+5That is wrong. Source: Me. ;)
- YojimboJango, on 01/28/2008, -0/+5I believe you to say the GTX. The GTX is priced at around $450 which is only $10 bucks more than a X2. They are the cards that are in direct price competition.
AMD now wins the bang for your buck award in all price categories, and has a card that matches the fastest card on the market. NVidia will now have to cut prices and put out something faster. We all win. - malbolgias, on 01/28/2008, -2/+7Anandtech is a much better site.
- dsmx, on 01/29/2008, -0/+5So after a year ATI still can't conclusively beat the 8800GTX? ATI could be in real trouble here.
- inactive, on 01/28/2008, -3/+8according to anandtech, the x2 beats a GTS across the board.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3209 ... - hawkspur, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4I don't think you can put two together currently, but I think it is going to be enabled with a future driver update.
- proficient, on 01/28/2008, -9/+13Relatively disappointing indeed.
- kodek, on 01/29/2008, -0/+4By that logic, shut the hell up. You know what he meant.
- Fergy, on 01/28/2008, -1/+5It gives you less than 20 fps in Crysis on High with 1920x1200 how is that outrunning the display? A 24 inch with 1920x1200 costs less than 400 bucks.(this card costs 300+)
- isewise, on 01/28/2008, -0/+4Lowest price on Newegg is $239
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Sub ...
I think McGuinness means he can find one in the 200 price range, but the cheapest is usually....well...the cheapest one in both senses of the word. - Dylson, on 01/28/2008, -4/+8No.
- bjornski, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3One thing that many computer buys take into consideration (I know I do) is price.
For the cost, this card is doing quite well compared to the top of the line Nvidia. I can handle a small reduction in performance for a large savings in my wallet. - Superdemon, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3They compared it to the 8800 GTX not the 8800 Ultra. The GTX can be found on newegg for less then $450.00.
- ferrariman60, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3Well, isn't Nvidia basically just waiting for this card to come out so they can finally unleash the 9xxx series on the world? Then again, this card isn't much threat to the GTX, so maybe there's no need to do so. :(
- AeonTorpor, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3Forest Gump. *cheers*
- Lane, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3Now that the cash cow of the 8800 line actually has competition? id say soon....
- ferrariman60, on 01/29/2008, -0/+3Um, you also are reading from a site that uses FPS in their testing. [H] still has the best testing on the web because they show how hardware affects you. Not how many frames you're getting, how your gameplay will look. Give me a break. I like Anandtech, but [H] just blows everyone away in hardware testing. They've moved to a higher level.
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