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- handle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Viiv is not cool. When I heard about it, I thought it would be some UPnP like standard for home electronics to communicate over. Turns out it's hardware based DRM.
- Wizzkid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viiv
"Viiv (pron. IPA /'vaiv/) is a platform marketing initiative from Intel (similar to Centrino) for a particular combination of processor-based DRM [1] [2], CPU, mainboard chipset, and a network card as primary components. It is intended for primary use as a media platform with the ability to play DRM-protected content. Viiv processors will play anything a regular processor can play, but it can also play content that has been encoded and locked for that particular processor." - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Hardware based DRM you say...
they can blow that out there arse. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5from said article on Wikipedia
Intel Viiv PCs do not make any changes to how DRM-protected content is handled on the local PC. Content owners and developers determine whether their content is protected by a DRM technology. DRMs work on Intel Viiv technology-based PCs just like they do any other PC. - AnalogDaylight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Viiv is just like Centrino, or Celeron, it has absolutely nothing to do with DRM but rather offering a platform for developers and manufacturers to deliver content to PC's that is standardized and always works.
- Dalhectar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm glad that cooler heads are prevailing over the whole DRM bit. Viiv != DRM. DRM can be implemented from any hardware platform. I still can't figure out the point of Viiv. Nothing in PC hardware needs to be "standardized" for content. There are established standards like Dolby Digital, HDMI, DVI, etc which is available for Viiv and non-Viiv machines alike.
What makes this solution so nice is the Core Duo support. You can build a fast and silent box with support for Dolby Digital, SATA, Gigabit Ethernet and the rest. Combine with a HDMI PCI-e card, PCI HDTV tuner, and Blu Ray drive... that's the dream Media Center box. - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3mrjohnson, quoted from the artcile
"|Supporting both Core Solo and Core Duo processors|, as well as the latest memory technology, audio technology, the N4L-VM DH may be the right product for those looking to start a good home theater PC. For those who are looking for more serious video performance, one of the recent PCI Express products from ATI or NVIDIA will have to be used. Those who are content with the onboard graphics can purchase ASUS' R-DVI-ADD2 board, which will provide DVI output for full digital output."
While it might not support hardware H.264 decoding, it looks like it does support Core Duo & Solo. - oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As far as I can tell, VIIV is a meaningless Intel marketing term. It's like Centrino. It just means that you bought an Intel CPU and Intel graphics. VIIV is just the new name for the "Multimedia PC". It's a brand, and has no real technical meaning.
It can't be about DRM because this MB has NO digital video out. There's no way to apply DIGITAL rights management to ANALOG out. - MrJohnson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5
Tell me why you think Viiv is DRM. I have a hard time believe this when Intel doesn't really support DRM.
Also, some of my beefs with the board.
Uses Socket 478 for Pentium4 and not Socket 478 for the Core Duo and Core Solo?
Bad Asus.
Also, I would like to point out something that the article pointed out- The onboard video DOES NOT support hardware h.264 decoding, something that would greatly benefit a media PC. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Asus without a doubt makes the best motherboards. I think I tried every major motherboard manufacturer and Asus can't be beat.
In addition, it's so good to read something other than Apple spam. This is what Digg was created for. - oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Asus without a doubt makes the best motherboards."
Perhaps, but this is NOT one of them. The onboard VGA connector instead of a DVI connector pretty much guarantees that the on-board graphics will never get used. They could have added a DVI->VGA dongle if they were so worried about VGA only customers. As for it's anemic RCA video out, this will please nobody. It's almost like they were trying to cripple the video options. They put so much effort into making sure that all the other components were state of the art. This can't be done by accident. ASUS must own some ATI or NVIDIA stock. There's no other reason to offer such abysmal video. The ironic part is that with DVI, most non-gaming HTPC users would be happy with the onboard graphics. - insertnamehere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DRM is what's going to make me switch to Linux permanently. All of this Trusted Platform Module stuff is crap. I don't think i'll even bother with Vista when it comes out if i have to buy a special monitor/computer that watches everything i do.
- oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"3. DVI is easy to add with an ADD2 card and the are only $30"
DVI should be built onboard. If I have to add a card to get DVI, I'm going to add an ATI or NVIDIA card, and even an entry level card will give me WAY better performance than the GMA950 onboard video. DVI to VGA dongles are much cheaper than $30 and would solve the VGA-only crowd so backwards compatibility cannot be blamed for this "feature". It would also keep the MB current. A VGA connector for an HTPC system is pretty much useless but a DVI connector gives the user a digital video connection with flexible conversion options, if needed. The analog video is a serious shortcoming in this MB. There's no good reason to have VGA connectors anymore. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2just wanted to clear up some misconceptions people seem to have about this board
1. it is a socket 479, not a socket 478
2. that is not video out, it is a coaxial SPDIF out
3. DVI is easy to add with an ADD2 card and the are only $30 - oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Those who are content with the onboard graphics can purchase ASUS' R-DVI-ADD2 board, which will provide DVI output for full digital output."
Are you kidding me? You need an add-in card to support digital video out for the on-board graphics connector? Why not just put a DVI connector directly on the motherboard and throw in one of those DVI->VGA dongles. What good is on-board graphics when you need to use an add-in card to get a decent connection? Who is going to use one of these? If you are going to add ANYTHING, it will be an ATI or NVIDIA card.
Do they have monkeys designing these MB's? - iHung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Does anyone know of the date when this can be found at Fry's etc?
- thirdtenor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Ok, so how much does this board actually cost?
As someone who has followed the pentium m on the desktop, i can honestly this looks to be a like great HTPC board. But if its expensive, why do it? Just wait for conroe or go amd.
So here are the questions i have:
1. Price
2. Overclocking support
3. How bout the cpu cooler - warped, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Um, I would buy a 6150 chipset board over that any day. Have a look at the MSI K8NGM2-FID.
- cg0def, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2yes 6150 is a nice chipset but the thing is that the asus board comes with better sound support and would probably use less power and be a little bit quiter compared to an AMD solution. The ViiV solution is really nice but it has DRM and hence I won't use it even if I get it for free. I hate when someone tries to shove things down my throat and plus I like all my AMD machine ;)
It's nice to see Asus as an early adopter but I couldn't care less about Intel right now. - subcodec, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I agree with warped. I just got the MSI K8NGM2-FID and I put an Opteron 170 on it and 2 GB of RAM. While it isn't a gaming machine (I just use the onboard video), it handles everything else without any strain.
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