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- ScornForSega, on 10/11/2007, -1/+95This god damn thing better run on AM2.
- ZaNkY, on 10/11/2007, -3/+75I really hope so, AMD has really disappointed me in the last year. AMD has been waiting too long to release a kick ass chip, when they do it better make up for past quarters.
I want to see Core 2 put to SHAME by Phenom. Where is the friendly market competition? Hurry up AMD! - mycatsboots, on 10/11/2007, -2/+64Amen to the AM2 comment. Changing sockets again will cause me to promptly attach a soldering iron to my brain stem via the eye.
- spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+33@sashwan (#6691713)
If you're 14 years old. - Homunculiheaded, on 10/11/2007, -2/+30"AMD has been waiting too long to release a kick ass chip"
In the meantime I'm enjoying the absurdly cheap price of their processors. I just got a Athlon X2 4600+ for less than $120, last year the X2 4400+ was selling for $460! I love my new chip, and the price/performance is amazing. This is an excellent time to build a PC. However I know that AMD is taking quite a loss on this prices and I'd much rather have chip prices rise again than see AMD go under. Hopefully well start seeing some really amazing processors soon. - sam991, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28Don't bother reading the article, here's the full text.
Why is AMD changing the name of its high-end desktop processor line from Athlon to Phenom? It’s a metaphor for the company's expectations for the chips, due out later this year. AMD is aiming for its Phenom to be just that; a marvel of performance and unit sales, representing a turn-around for the company.
Thus it shouldn’t come as a huge surprise that AMD is launching a new brand name for its forthcoming high-end desktop chip. First, the Phenom, as it will now be known, represents a major change in processor design in that it’s based on the same circuitry as AMD’s forthcoming quad-core Barcelona Opteron chip. It will come in both dual and quad-core configurations.
Despite being very well known, the Athlon name has come to be associated with price-performance. The emphasis there, lately, has been on price. Phenom just sounds like it should cost more. And it will. That’s a good thing, financially, for AMD. If Phenoms perform as well as the company says they will, customers will pay premium prices for them. Meanwhile, AMD is left with a strong brand name in Athlon to compete with Intel’s low-end Pentium and Celeron processors in lower-priced PCs.
I would caution that launching a new brand name can be tricky. If not correctly communicated, the new name can create confusing among customers as to which product they should choose for their specific needs. Clearly AMD does not want high-end PC buyers to stick with what they know (Athlon) versus what they don’t know (Phenom). But that’s why the chipmaker has announced the new brand name well in advance of the actual chips. It's latest rolling thunder operation has officially begun. - dafragsta, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25He doesn't have to be an AMD fanboy to want to see the end of Core 2's dominance. AMD coming out with a better chip is a win for consumers. Prices go down, and depending on how close the margin is between price points, prices might REALLY go down. In the back and forth that occurred during the Slot A -> Socket A transition, (the T-Bird cores from AMD) You could pretty much buy the best desktop class CPU out for under $200.
A faster chip means lower prices and raising the performance bar for all the price points at the same time. - 1021, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Jeez, article is full of fluff, no new details... lame article but worthy subject.
- thedraft, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Call it late to dinner for all I care. If it outperforms Core 2 chips and costs the same or less, I'm in. Otherwise, I'll stick with Intel.
I've never understood the mentality of CPU or GPU "fanboys." At least on the console side, it makes sense. If you're a Nintendo fan and you buy a Nintendo console, you're locked away from all the Sony or MS games. You have a tangible reason to trumpet your purchase and downplay the competition. But in the PC world, loyalty to the Red Team or Green Team or Intel or AMD of whoever doesn't make any sense. They all play the same games. You're not missing out on anything by using ATI over Nvidia, or Intel of AMD, so WHY in God's name would you ever feel the need to purchase inferior hardware out of brand loyalty?
In the P4 years, I bought AMD. In the Core 2 years, I bought Intel. The benchmarks will determine what I buy next. - catalysis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14You will be able to use them in AM2 sockets. Obviously you will not be able to take full advantage of the faster FSB or use DDR3 memory though.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Actually, if you totally ignore the latest spiderman3 train-wreck, the AMD Venom does sound pretty good.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11I prefer the AMD ***** myself.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14@myvatsboots "Amen to the AM2 comment. Changing sockets again will cause me to promptly attach a soldering iron to my brain stem via the eye."
So long as you video the procedure and post it to youtube! - SanjayM, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Not quite so cut and dry as you might think, you make a good point how on the whole loyalty for the sake of loyalty is not sensible and i agree with you there. But there are other issues, the one that springs to mind for me is the ATI/Nvidia choice, i realise Ati might make some good hardware but their absolute abuse of linux users is insulting, the drivers are pathetic, whereas Nvidia's drivers are excellent, easy to setup and provide great performance. For this reason i won't be buying ATI cards for any box, even if i only intend to run windows. Nvida supports me, i will support them.
- Combat247, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I'm Hoping the new AMD chip will be a worthy competitor to the c2d mainly because competition between company's is good for the consumer, Hurrah for lower prices etc.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Cyrix? Quick CPUs?!
What the hell are you smoking, and can I have some please!!! - Spuy767, on 10/11/2007, -10/+17Why would you really like to see the end of the C2 era? You pretty much just painted yourself an AMD fanboi and made us not want to take anything else you say seriously. The Core 2 is a phenomenal chip, so was the Athalon X2 back when it was top of the heap. Intel is working on a Core 2 Quadro chip with four cores on a single chip instead of 2 dual-core chips on a single die, as well as working on an integrated memory controller, but the Core 2 still has plenty of legs to run, and unlike the old Pentiums, when the Core 2 chip gets a clok speed bump, it actually matters. I think we'll see some interesting and exciting products come from both manufacturers in the near future, all of which is good for the consumer.
- pault107, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I look forward to buying nice shiny Phenamon chip.
- longbow486, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I dont know if any of you have seen the die's for the new CPU's but the entire North Chipset is intergrated right onto the CPU. things close together are great, exp things as vital as the north chip.
- V1ncent, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Whoever has the best price/performance ratio is who I use when I build a new rig. I'm on a AMD rig now but would have to go Core2Duo if I built one right now.
- rudy23, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6if its anything short of being a phenom they are gonna be the butt of endless jokes.
heres to hoping the follow through on this. - MagnetoWasRight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I kind of wish there was some more meat to this press relea -- err -- article, but it does make an interesting point about the overall market and AMD's need to hit a sweet spot of price and performance to make some money. I've always been a fan of AMD, as they were much needed serious competition for Intel. Core was a huge step forward for Intel, much like Athlon and Opteron were from AMD. Will Phenom lead to another shift of the pendulum? I guess we'll have to wait for the price points and benchmarks.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@avatar*:
From the first line of the article you posted, "Users with nForce3-based motherboards and ATI graphics cards could get a nasty surprise if they install Windows Vista." If that doesn't underscore the persistently sad state of ATi drivers, I don't know what does. Has nothing to do with Nvidia. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Look, I'm an AMD fanboy, but at the moment I'm running a C2D!
Its totally okay to be a fanboy (just not an apple one) so long as your eyes are open enough to see that your favorite chipmaker might not have the best value or fastest product and to base your buying decisions on speed/value rather than just blindly supporting one particular company no mater the dross they might be turning out.
As soon as AMD releases something that can compete with intel I'm switching right back. Same with AMD/ATI and nVidia. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4They don't really have much of a choice if they want to retain the memory controller in the CPU itself rather than offload it to the northbridge and get lower performance.
- Price, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Oh my days... The fanboy-ism in your post is overwhelming. "I know you can do it AMD!" lol
- DeucesWild, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Great now I have LL Cool J's Phenomenon stuck in my head. Something like a phenomenon, Something like a phenomenon, Something like a phenomenon....
- daridave, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Man, that was a boring read. OK so it'll be called Phenom. Where's the info ?
Anyway I don't mind for the AM2, I'm still on sockets 939 :D But when are these things actually going to hit, anyway ? I'm not all to keen of that "price" thing... FX chips aren't exactly "cheap" already. - sv650touring, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I think if you call yourself a fanboy, then you aren't a fanboy. Saying that puts what you say into context, and thus isn't misleading the way that a true fanboy's comment would be. You're just an AMD fan, and that is pretty reasonable.
Personally I'm a fan of good products, and the better AMD does, the better CPUs are likely to get. So yeah, go AMD. - mythandros, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6@spuy767
I didn't dig you down for not being an amd fanboi. I dugg you down for trying to be a martyr. - pantuky, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3So let's see, if I understand this right, Phenom X4 is going to be better because:
1. 128 bit floating point engine, rather than a 64 bit engine. This will allow K10 to retire 1 complete SSE2 or SSE3 floating point instruction every single clock cycle, just like the Core 2 Duo.
2. New Stack engine which should enhance both Java and .NET applications. This engine features "side band stack optimization". Both Java and the Microsoft .NET framework are based on 100% virtual object oriented stack machines. Both Byte code and CIL code are object oriented stack op code.
3. Many enhancements for virtual machines. This will enhance Java, .NET, 32 bit code running under a 64 bit OS, and any sort of Host/Guest Operating system scheme.
4. 32 byte instruction fetch window, vis-a-vis 16 bytes.
5. 1GB Paging
6. A new Hypertransport revision which increases maximum bandwidth and throughput to 20.8 Gigabytes per second.
7. New memory architecture which uses 11 bit columns rather than 10 bit columns, and 16K pages rather than 8K pages.
8. New 3dNow! vector instructions for media and a couple of new advanced bit-twiddler instructions.
9. Support for Intel's SSE4a instruction set. This should enhance video encoding.
10. Three-level cache architecture, not seen since the K6-3 architecture. - archer75, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4They use AM2 sockets but they won't work with existing boards. Something about voltages or such.
- sensia3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5We hope that since it will bring down the price. Historically, cheaper AMD chips can be overclocked very well and those overclocked chips beats their intel counterpart in every ground (that changed in C2D era).
- andrewpmk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I doubt it that this new 65nm AMD chip will be able to beat Intel's upcoming 45nm chips. It might beat the Core 2 Duo, but I don't think it will be able to beat Penryn anytime soon on a process that's 1 year out of date. Unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat, it won't be able to sell these chips for high enough prices and it will keep losing money.
- dn11, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3AMD is like Rocky taking a pounding from Apollo Creed right now. "Cut me, Mick cut me!!" I'm using AMD right now, and I'm still rooting for the underdog.
- jkaechler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Cyrix was cool for a while.
that was way back in the 333mhz days, but i remeber a trip to frys just to buy my first Cyrix processor and mboard.
man was i excited about that.
now, i am about to place an order for my first core2duo, (e6600) and while i am not a giddy teenager anymore, i am still looking forward to Supreme Commander actually running well. - imacashew, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5"K10 features a native quad-core design that incorporates shared-L3 cache, HyperTransport-3 support and backwards functionality with AM2 motherboards."
@sensia3 & spuy767 -- Sooo...what's the problem here? RTFA...YOFA...you are dogging on them for not sticking to an old architecture that wouldn't fully take advantage of quad core processing? They are offering a new backwards compatible architecture, if you want to spend the money for the performance, buy the new board, if not you can keep your AM2. Quit being such a bunch of nay-sayers - Gryffydd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Just to toss in another viewpoint to illustrate your point, The last couple of cards I bought were ATI (X800XL and X1800XT, so it's been a while) because they provided better performance with AA/AF maxed out than any of the nVidia cards. I didn't have a use for 3d under Linux (I use it for servers only), so why should I care about their drivers? Why should I not buy something from a company because they don't make something I don't need?
- Spuy767, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Is this the ***** reagan administration? Win one for the Gipper? Jesus, this isn't a pep rally.
- timxpx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4the last gen of AMD wasn't that bad. since the price drop, those in the market for AMD (and willing to overclock) could get somewhat of a c2d bang for a not-so c2d buck.
granted, they still need a more competitive out of the box chip with intel. competition = *everyone* benefits. - starguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1this thing better be quad core and run on socket 939
- sam991, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1But will it be compatible with Intel's new Enon range of processors?
/lame, yes. - WarcraftJunkie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2If only they presented some real specs or actual info on the new chip, I would be happy. But no, they had to simply say the name and conjecture about how it could do well if AMD markets it right. Good topic, but lame article. :/
- curitibagarrett, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4AMD is a year behind. They are finally going to release something that will compete with the C2 right when or after Intel releases Penryn which is on the 45nm architecture.....
- TheTankengine, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I doubt she could spell that.
- Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1tomz17 -
If you start your comparison at above the performance level of the AMD chips, they obviously can't compete. That doesn't change the fact that, in the price range that AMD Althlon 64 x2 chips currently exist (i.e. the $65 to $200 range), they offer reasonably competitive performance. The extreme example is the Athlon 64 x2 3600+ - Intel just doesn't have anything that can produce that performance at anywhere near that price point. - Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2There's a LOT more info on Phenom here: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/05/14/amd_phenom_and_quad_core_opteron/1
- hootpie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2It better beat the C2D at the very least. It needs to outperform the Penryn unless AMD wants to be put to shame again.
- Shando, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@scornforsega
"The processors will be on the Socket AM2+ platform[2], with the exception of the high-end model which will only be available for Socket F"
From Wikipedia - Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Cyrix... err... Via processors are actually really nice *today*. They're not fast, but they're fast enough for a lot of applications, are damn cheap, and use no power.
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