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- samfishercell, on 12/14/2007, -2/+39http://youtube.com/watch?v=rCwn1NTK-50
What? Don't look at me...we all saw this one coming...it was only a matter of time.. - FLECOM, on 12/14/2007, -4/+39im glad ATi is really starting to gain some steam and come out with good products and some promise for upcoming products... im still pissed off at nVidia and their SLi on the intel 975x chipset bs... purchased 2x 8800gtx's expecting to use them on my 975x board since they were supposed to support SLi and then nVidia decided, no, we wont licence it to intel after all... jee, thanks!
- nerdmods, on 12/14/2007, -2/+23Ah, just what I have been looking for. AMD/ATI kept telling us about how it was "the platform" they were going for, and not aan individual component, now I can see what they were talking about! Can not wait to see how this scales with faster GPUs, and if older AMD Chipsets will be supported.
- Gizza, on 12/14/2007, -0/+20"What I would truly like to see is an integrated IGP that will run all my desktop and video applications while I have a single or double high end video gaming card configuration powered down."
I really like the sound of this idea. I usually avoid mobos with integrated graphics because I never use it and its adds to the cost. But if it could run the easy stuff with my graphics card shutdown until I launch a game that would be extremely useful. The comp would be quieter and use less power, so good for the environment and you wallet. - wtfdan, on 12/14/2007, -1/+19A tech article on the front page?
Is this Digg? - nonsequitor, on 12/14/2007, -0/+12I don't think the reviewer even began to touch upon the possibilities of this platform, some of that may be intentional to generate buzz, or he might not see it. It sounds like crossfire uses graphics cards like a blade server uses CPU boards, it has a dedicated GPU to manage all the other GPUs on each of the cards and a card management utility. If they open source this with their 3d specs, the potential for calculation heavy computing like video editing or cheap commodity super computer clusters is awe inspiring. I know its cliche to say imagine a beowolf cluster of those, but for engineering on a budget I have a feeling a fully loaded workstation will beat the pants off a PS3 (in value per dollar) which is silicon optimized for parallel computing.
A scalable Multi-CPU, Multi-GPU platform. Thank you AMD, I was starting to get worried about you. - wolvyne, on 12/14/2007, -1/+12Brilliant! Hope Nvidia comes out with something similar for competition sake. Kudos to ATi for getting this out first.
- case42tlc, on 12/14/2007, -1/+11Speaking as a 'casual" gamer, I love the idea. I don't have the $$ to keep up with the perpetually escalating graphics requirements for new games, and a sub-$500 pc with usable graphics sounds like a major improvement for those of us who enjoy 3-D gaming, but don't make a hobby of it.
- protias, on 12/14/2007, -2/+9That is some impressive increase in speed. Wow
- baldgye, on 12/14/2007, -1/+8yay the gfx card battle is back on! vi-va-la price wars!
- deiphobus, on 12/14/2007, -0/+7I agree. I think AMD did have a lot of bad points with their products as of late. First, the video card segment. Then, the processor segment. But despite all this, I honestly have faith that they will make a comeback. These problems arose when the two companies, AMD and ATI, merged. Probably, these are the side-effects that they have to deal with. I know they'll get back up on their feet. WHEN is the only question.
Hybrid CrossFire might very well be the start they need to make the comeback. - Dgen_X, on 12/14/2007, -0/+6Well...you wouldn't have to spend a grand either way
The article states that the test PC cost under $500 - ccheath, on 12/14/2007, -0/+6i don't think older chipsets will be supported because this all hinges upon the new IGP
basically you can buy a cheap system with out the card in it or for an extra 49 bucks (on the low end) you can double your graphics performance
i don't think you'll see a doubling of a high end card's performance, but we'll see - Stevethegreat, on 12/14/2007, -1/+6I may be drunk but I always make such boxes for friends and colleagues for more than 5 years. If console gamers or ignorant PC owners pulled their head out of their asses they would see that the *actual* PC hardware (not the high-end "enthusiast" *****) is extremely cheap. It was only two weeks ago, when I made a PC for a colleague of mine for less than $500 being able to play Crysis at High on his 720p HDTV. PC gaming IS cheap, the only tricky part is to know a bit of hardware. For example an oc/d $60 Intel CPU performs the same on Crysis (1-2 FPS difference) with the high-end $1000 monster CPU of the same company, now why should anyone looking for gaming should waste those extra $940, if that's not ignorance then what is it?
- Stevethegreat, on 12/14/2007, -1/+6$60 CPU
$30 Case + PSU
$60 Mobo
$180 HD3850 GPU
$80 Windows XP
$40 2gb RAM
$60 worth of discs (HDD, DVD/RW)
-$50 mail-in rebate
That's a $460 system that comfortably plays Crysis at high on 720p, even on very high with some choppiness.
Buy it for yourself if you don't believe me to see that I was 100% right - frgmstr, on 12/14/2007, -2/+7I think this is a much more inspiring platform than Spider was. And will likely sell better.
- jayvisaria, on 12/14/2007, -1/+5I hate how PC gamers have it these days - blow $1000 every 15 months for a rig that barely squeaks through games a year after you bought it OR a console which forbids playing with a keyboard/mouse. I think sub $500 PCs which have an active shelf life of 2+ years would we just what the doctor ordered, though I think realistically you'll end up spending more (think discrete physics, readyboost, blu-ray/hd-dvd drives). The important thind for me is about 30 months of staying power, being able to play even the newest games a couple of years after your PC was bought at playable framerates with decent visuals.
Oh! And its only been consoles who've been selling prebundled CPU-GPU combos so far - anybody see where this ATI/AMD duo might be headed? - mythicflux, on 12/14/2007, -1/+5This could easily be what turns the game around for AMD and PC gaming in general. The ability for $500 dollar bargain computers to play new games at an acceptable level is what is needed. If AMD can pull this off we may see the PC return to a more prominent place in the gaming world.
- openguru, on 12/14/2007, -1/+5I Love you AMD.
- CielChocobo, on 12/14/2007, -0/+4Damn man, now I feel old. I ***** had one.
- marktastic, on 12/14/2007, -1/+5You're also the only one that didn't see the guy that posted the youtube video of it waaaaaaaaay up there^^^^^^^
- Brennan, on 12/14/2007, -0/+3Your graphics card is more important dude...
An X2 at 2.3Ghz is more than enough for any modern game. Get a new graphics card, you're not screwed. - inf0, on 12/14/2007, -1/+4lol @ that.. sorry I'd rather run it at 1920x1200 in full detail...... ps3?? LOL ok kiddies..
And to jayvisaria, why do you care if people spend money on the ***** they enjoy??? I'd rather spend 2k on my computer than ANY amount on a console... - crownedgriffin, on 12/14/2007, -2/+5That's pretty cool. Now how many years until it works under Linux? I'm still waiting for a regular single card to work correctly. >=|
- Stevethegreat, on 12/14/2007, -0/+21) The E21xx series of Intel ARE underclocked (half)Allendales. What I did was not exactly *over*clock, I didn't use additional cooling or voltage, I just clocked the CPU at the Allendale (and a little more) specs. Great stability, not even a serious tinkering (really, the only thing you have to do is to up the fsb for about 50% and that's it).
2) Now if a retailer did what I do, could sell "gaming PCs" which are far faster than PS3 already in the price of PS3. Alas, they are not as intelligent, or -worse- they still advertise PCs as expensive toys, like we live in the 80s or sth. PCs have grown so powerful, that spending more than $400-$500 for a tower is unreasonable (except/if you are a serious gamer who games on a Apple's 30 incher). - killtherebel, on 12/14/2007, -1/+3A tech article that doesnt involve Apple on the front page?
Is this Digg? - mythicflux, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2In the forum discussion for the article HardOCP's editor states that this is for low end systems only. If you use a midrange or highend card Hybrid Crossfire is not supported.
- digitalarcanum, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2I remember some time ago, they use to do with with laptops, or there was a laptop that supported this. It had an integrated graphics card for applications that weren't graphically intense, with the option to switch to the graphics card for more graphically intense stuff. wonder what every happened to that?
- jcaino, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2there's probably people on here that bought one for their kid back in the day - how do you think you make them feel?
- killtherebel, on 12/14/2007, -1/+3I dont believe that you are playing Crysis on High settings with a $500 system.
- ladbroke, on 12/14/2007, -4/+6Crossfire! Don’t get caught up in the…Crossfire!
I guess I'm the only one that remembers the late 80's... - zaid, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2When Linux has day one releases of new PC games, then we can talk.
- JickBahTech, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2This is pretty cool. I don't always need the juice of my 8800GT cranking away. It would be great if video cards could scale a bit more like Cool n Quiet...
- killtherebel, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2Not supported YET. I'm sure it will. What Gizza said about it using less power when not required is what interests me as well.
- Brennan, on 12/14/2007, -0/+21. Overclocking, most people do not overclock and are not interested in it. However, even if you don't overclock that cheap cpu, for what you paid for it it the game will definitely still be playable.
2. Things like this are important. Just because you can build sub $500 computer for your friends doesn't mean the rest of the world does that. How many times have you seen people playing games that are running like crap and they don't know why on their GMA950s or whatever, but are upset because they have a sweet processor or they thought their computer was great when they ordered it. Tons of computers are speced out amazingly well, if not way overpowered, but have terrible graphics cards. The average person who just wants to play some games probably doesn't understand this. If things like this can bring high end gaming to every bargain computer, that's great. - ubergeek09, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2Yeah, the new HD 3870 graphics cards might help them get a little more market share too, they are well priced.. fast, and you will be able to have 4 of them eventually :).
- Rendonsmug, on 12/14/2007, -0/+2Yeah thats pretty good, but if you do a little deal searching you can upgrade it more while only increasing the price marginally.
$110 - Windows Vista Home Premium
$55 - 550W Power Supply (easy to find a good one)
$30 - Highly-rated case (again easy)
$190 - 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo E6750 ---> $260 2.4GHz Core 2 Quad
$95 - P35 motherboard
$30 - 2GB Ram (only 800MHz, but more than enough)
$250 - 8800GT (in and out of stock so often, you'll eventually find one)
$100 - 500GB SATA hard drive
$30 - DVD-RW drive
Grand total - $960. Let me say, thats niiice. - 12340987, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1I do wonder if it will help if you pair a IGP R780 with a radeon 3870. I would think at some point the integrated solution could hold back a high performance dedicated card.
- LMN8R, on 12/14/2007, -2/+3That's cool stuff, but you can already build a computer today that can easily handle every game - including crysis - at high resolutions and high detail settings, for *under $900*. Yes, Crysis on *HIGH*. Allow me: (please note that prices may be slightly off due to their rapidly changing nature. In the end, it's still under $900)
$110 - Windows Vista Home Premium
$55 - 550W Power Supply (easy to find a good one)
$30 - Highly-rated case (again easy)
$190 - 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo E6750
$95 - P35 motherboard
$50 - 2GB Ram (only 800MHz, but more than enough)
$270 - 8800GT (in and out of stock so often, you'll eventually find one)
$50 - 160GB SATA hard drive
$30 - DVD-RW drive
That computer will kick the ass of a PS3 and 360, and will easily handle any PS3/360 ports that come the PC's way for the rest of those systems' lifetimes. Yet if you *do* want to upgrade, there's nothing stopping you from doing so, and you won't need to completely overhaul the system either. - sark666, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1I guess in a way, that's going back to an old voodoo 1/2 type card as it's standalone 3d. But even the big cards shouldn't draw as much for simple 2d or do they? I remember reading a few years ago that we'd probably end up with cards that can only do '3d' and we have compiz like accelerated environments that would be used exclusively.
- bigbadgoat, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1A couple of the high end sony vaios have both.
- wipis, on 12/14/2007, -2/+3I'm due for an upgrade. I Don't think I'll be able to get a 939 board to work with this but if I can... WOOOOHOOO!!! I can get Crysis and not have to spend a grand.
- ubergeek09, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1That is a really good idea. I wonder how much extra performance it will give on more high end graphics cards, I also wonder if it works with crossfirex, because then you could have 4 dedicated graphics cards + integrated >:).
- Dustmuffins, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1In the meantime, I'll use Rivatuner to keep my fans at low speeds when my GPU temp is cool.
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner - diggrim, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1for me it was the price over time...I'd buy a $200 video card but then 3 years later I buy another..but wait they changed interfaces so I need a new mobo, cpu, and ram. it just kept adding up and consoles finally got to a reasonable level of graphics
- Dustmuffins, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1"I may be drunk but..."
That's how I start every sentence at college parties. - diggrim, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1If more games would run on Linux that would make better sense. why pay $100-200 for an OS when it just slows down the game mostly
- Dustmuffins, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1I like how they jump around like they're standing on a hot driveway in bare feet.
- AdamFromMyspace, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1That's the same argument that Apple consumers used to use.. "It's so easy not being able to upgrade, every time a new technology comes out I just throw my old stuff away!"
- AdamFromMyspace, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1I LOVED that game!
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