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- inactive, on 10/01/2008, -5/+35I believe I may be switching to AMD on my next build....
- foresmac, on 10/02/2008, -1/+27If anything, it's good to see some competition happening, and keeping Intel on its toes.
- jkc120, on 10/02/2008, -3/+26So is it going to compete with Nehalem? The Nehalem platform will have QPI (similar to AMD's Hypertransport) and an integrated memory controller. 20% improvement over Barcelona is great, but the Penryn-based 45nm Core 2 was beating Barcelona fairly handily, right? Won't "Shanghai" just bring AMD up to Penryn's par and still be one step behind Intel who will have Nehalem by then?
- built2spill, on 10/02/2008, -1/+21I'm glad Intel has competition, but they are still ahead of AMD. Intel is already well on their way to 32NM.
- kgorczyn, on 10/02/2008, -2/+14I hope this is as good as the original Athlon was back in the day!
- davengineer, on 10/10/2008, -0/+11it isn't designed to compete with nephalem, only penryn... AMD is still behind, but trying to catch up...
- ExRe, on 10/02/2008, -2/+11I don't think a 20% gain is going to help them much if they are trying to beat Intel. They'll have to keep the edge of price in order to get sales.
It doesn't sound like this is much, if any faster than the Core 2's, which will be replaced soon by Nehalem.
I just hope AMD can make these cheap enough to beat the Core 2's and Nehalem with their prices, otherwise they are in trouble. But at least the new chip is showing their nice progress, they are only 1 step behind Intel performance wise. - davengineer, on 10/10/2008, -0/+8agreed, but i doubt it's that easy
- pathouston22, on 10/02/2008, -1/+9Core 2 was launched Summer of 2006, Intel has had superiority since that series took off into the mainstream. They launched the mainstream Quad Core January of 2007 to continue their dominance.
However, prior to the Core 2, AMD had owned Intel with its Athlon series starting with the Thunderbird and up to the dual core X2 series.
AMD does and has always continued to own Intel in the pricing area however. - wolferz, on 10/02/2008, -1/+8Y'all do realize that the same could be said about all of AMD's CPUs shortly before their release over the last couple years?
For the last 2 or 3 years every time AMD has released a CPU capable of competing with the then best Intel offering Intel has released their new line less than a month later putting AMD back in catchup-mode. Personally I'm not expecting much to be different with this line ether. - sponeil, on 10/02/2008, -0/+7Actually, AMD hasn't released a new processor core since the Opteron (which was released 5 years ago), which kicked the P4's ass for a few years (not months) until Intel came out with their "Core" processors. Their only problem in recent years is that it has taken them too long to respond to Intel's "Core" processors.
- Defiant001, on 10/02/2008, -1/+8Finally something that can compete with the higher end core 2 duos I hope! Good to see AMD isn't giving up
- anchor, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5Your shares will thank you as soon as they dig themselves out of their 5 billion dollars worth of debt.
- pathouston22, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc ...
"First keep in mind that these performance numbers are early, and they were run on a partly crippled, very early platform. With that preface, the fact that Nehalem is still able to post these 20 - 50% performance gains says only one thing about Intel's tick-tock cadence: they did it. " - sassy343, on 10/02/2008, -0/+5Nahalem will of course smoke this offering from AMD. We already know that. So there is no reason to get this unless you want core 2 duo performance and not core i7 performance.
- Jeremyz0r, on 10/02/2008, -3/+7Will it compete with i7?
- malibusurf, on 10/02/2008, -0/+4AMD should follow the lead of ATi in making its cpus the best bang for buck parts out there. i cant see this cpu matching Nehalem which as a long time amd user will probably be my first Intel cpu.
- pathouston22, on 10/02/2008, -3/+7Its a good offering from AMD, but Nahalem from Intel is going to kick it's ass.
- AnarkeIncarnate, on 10/02/2008, -3/+6You have pre production samples ?
- Tiak, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3Erm... Quite a few 45nm Yorkfield quad core microprocessors have been released already... The only one yet to be released is their lower-end 2.5 Ghz one apparently...
- Tenoq, on 10/03/2008, -0/+3No, I buy products based on the company's reputation and other factors also.
Eg, if I knew that Coca Cola set fire to a goat every hour in some weird Coke blessing ceremony, there's a fair chance I wouldn't buy it regardless of how good it tasted or how well it was priced. Likewise - I'd prefer to buy AMD over Intel if the difference in price/performance is negligible because Intel are anti-competitive, monopolistic, cheating bastards. Always have been.
(I still run a C2D at home. :P) - Jalh, on 10/02/2008, -7/+9but, will it run crysis ?
i've been using amd since my first computer, i love them and i can't wait for new processors. - Rikushix, on 10/03/2008, -0/+2Oh, I thought they hadn't released any 45nm quad cores yet except under their "Extreme" line.
My bad, sorry. - cheezintern, on 10/03/2008, -0/+2..AMD owns ATI..
- pathouston22, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Tomshardware just released some new benchmarks of 2008 Inte/AMD processors with the latest software benchmarks.
- ausfahrt, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2I think you were looking for Nahalem microprocessor.
- carlosos, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2@dfross, what "normal" person does overclocking? And what person even knows what the differences between AMD and Intel CPUs are? They don't buy AMD or Intel computers but instead HP, Dell, Acer or Apple.
- KMartSheriff, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2No, it won't compete with Nehalem, which is what Intel will probably be touting around the time Shanghai is released.
- maino82, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3I'm with you. Every since I had my T-bird back in the day there's a soft spot in my heart for AMD. I've had Intel procs in my machines and they've worked alright, don't get me wrong. For the price, performance and longevity though, AMDs always been my first choice. I've had 2 Intel processors die on me in the past from overheating issues, but have never had an AMD crap out on me. Maybe I'm the oddball out though because a lot of people I hear from sound like they can use their AMD procs to fry an egg...
- Pstmann, on 10/02/2008, -2/+4Intel winning for too long is not a reason to switch, the best company with the best product should get the sale no matter who they are or how long they hold the crown.
Having said that I hope that AMD stays in the game to keep Intel honest. Competition is what spurs on innovation. - wolferz, on 10/02/2008, -2/+4ok... I was about to smack you down but thinking about it I suppose its reasonable for most people not to know.
The *original* Athlon was a piece of crap. Much more significant issues with overheating than comparable Intel products (especially if you used the stock heatsink/fan), higher power consumption, and issues with CPUs that were dead out of the box.
That said AMD promptly fixed those problems with a redesign of their Athlon line and Intel spent the better part of a decade playing catch up. Those are the Athlons every one remembers. - p3ngwin, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1yes, like my Xeon X3320 (a server version of the desktop Q9300)
had it it for about 3 months now :)
overclocked, but in the pic you can see it's default 2.5Ghz speed also.
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yorkfield ... - dfross, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1Not sure it quite works that way. CPUs are very much like a "brand". The one with the fastest mainstream chip dominates.
It has helped Intel that their last generation has been tremendously overclockable. I'm sitting on a Core2Quad overclocked 25% with just air cooling. Some people have been seeing 50% with sophisticated cooling and voltage tweaking.
Athlon had a very good reputation and got AMD a large chunk of market share, but Core2 ripped it to pieces. AMD has to pass Intel to dominate them again, not just equal them or stay slightly behind. - voodoochild461, on 10/02/2008, -4/+5Intel did that like a year ago, I have one. AMD should skip 45 and just go straight to 32.
- davengineer, on 10/10/2008, -2/+3no
- Spanq, on 10/02/2008, -3/+4I never left AMD and have yet to buy a game or piece of software that made me wish I switched to Intel.
- fwertz, on 10/02/2008, -1/+2Or that cheap and AMD isn't after top-of-line Intel right now, they are using their heads and after to wallets of OEM machines and "budget builders" which sell much higher quantities of lower end builds than builds for enthusiasts. A very smart move.
- xavier2010, on 10/02/2008, -6/+7I can't wait for this :D Yes. This will blend.
- wolferz, on 10/02/2008, -2/+3Yes you're exactly right. Not only that but if you look at AMD's releases over the last couple years you will notice that what you described is an existing trend.
- duewydo, on 10/02/2008, -2/+3As may I, looking at the numbers this is a competitive product. I hope they keep the pricing extremely competitive. Then I will be moving the new office workstations over as well. Intel has had this leading position for to long.
- malibusurf, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1yes i know that but it still has its own strategy etc, just as Ferrari has its own strategy from its owner FIAT.
- Mockylock, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1Just wait until Barcelona, it's gonna.. oh wait.
- Mockylock, on 10/13/2008, -0/+1They should ramp respectively, due to yields. Expect AMD to be a bit more expensive due to less yields in manufacturing. Also expect 3 core due to 1 being cut out.
- djchester, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1Shanghai will only reach the full potential when new motherboards with Hyper Transport 3 comes out in 2009. Then the memory bus should be ready for 4 cores doing HPC tasks.
- carlosos, on 10/02/2008, -1/+2But they left the important "Price/Performance Index" out :(
- ckasprzak, on 10/07/2008, -0/+1AMD 4 LIFE!
- NidStyles, on 10/14/2008, -0/+1Net loss isn't debt.
- Culyt, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1Flaming goats would be a plus for me.
- sanosuke001, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1OMG I totally forgot the Thunderbirds. The first PC I built for myself was a Thunderbird box. Been with AMD ever since.
I'll buy AMD/ATI until they close. Yes, I know a bit fanboyish, but Intel always felt like that big corp run by machines with AMD/ATI as the little guy trying to put up a fight. And keeping them in business is good for the Intel fanboys, too :P - DesertTripper, on 10/02/2008, -0/+0Not to mention the crappy exposed-die design, where if you didn't know EXACTLY what you were doing attaching the heatsink, you'd crack the corners of the die and likely end up with a $150+ conversation piece. I cracked one and it still worked, but a few weeks later the heatsink came off somehow and the chip, lacking thermal runaway protection, fried itself, much like in the popular streaming video of the time, which showed what happens when an Athlon and a PIII have their heatsinks removed. (Hint: The PIII survived.)
I built a couple of Athlon systems, which my kids still use, but I'm glad that Athlons are a chapter of the past. -
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