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- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -22/+97[keanu reeves] Whoa.... [/keani reeves]
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -7/+47Yes. but one would think Intel would like a graphics division that isn't a complete joke.
- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -9/+47Would that make Intel buy Nvidia?
- s.lucero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30intel already has its own graphics division right?
- bigred, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29Intel doesn't have any high end products, even their mid range is crap. ATI and Nvidia both have much better graphics chips than the best Intel can produce in their mid range. The only reason they have the majority market share is due to the fact that they integrate them with their chipsets, and the majority of computer users don't play games and are perfectly happy with their integrated graphics built into their motherboard.
- smartpatrol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Well, what I've read is that AMD could create some GPU that uses Coherent Hypertransport. That would allow insanely fast 2-way communication between CPU and GPU. It would also allow cache coherency between the two.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Its ok no one will care.
- drag, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24ATI's hardware is good stuff, it's just that their drivers suck.
Supposadly (as in I've heard this from somebody that should know, but I don't know and can't explain it) that ATI hardware is actually superior then Nvidia, it's just Nvidia has much better drivers and it allows their hardware to shine.
AMD has, in the past, been a pretty Linux-friendly company. It's been a very mutually benifitial relationship.. AMD stuff makes Linux rock for using in servers.. And AMD working with Suse and friends made sure that when their Opteron chips came out there was a stable operating system ready and waiting for people to use the 64bit-ness.
Intel's a chipset company and the largest video card vendor on earth and they release specs to developers and paid those Tungstan Graphics folks to produce Free/Open source DRI drivers for Linux.
So maybe AMD will follow in Intel's footsteps and do the same for ATI's graphics?
Although it's just as likely that ATI will drag AMD down into it's sewage pit of 'IP'/cross licensing/propriatory/***** drivers madness.
That is, of course, if this rumor is true.
The main advantage of AMD buying out ATI would be that AMD would be trying to push into the mobile market and I wouldn't be suprised if ATI has some tech to make low resource using, but fast, integrated graphics and chipsets that would prove very usefull in Laptops. - micro506, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Oh yeah? Well, my graphics card has tetrionic duplexer thrusters.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Would that make IBM buy Asus?
- chris4404, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28Intel's graphics division isn't a joke, it has the most market share of anyone......
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@ celebratetoday Actually i'll celebrate the day you stop spamming in your comments.
- wonderbud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15this is not possible.
ATI is a publicly traded company, these kind of mergers take a year or more.
Goes like this:
AMD decides they want to look at buying ATI, they talk to their laywers and bankers, and decide a price that the ATI board of directors will see as the best interest of the stockholders (say $20 a share, currently at about $15), they announce the price, the ATI stock goes up to just under that.
The board votes, then, and only then can you say that amd bought ati.
article is BULLSH*T. - ckasprzak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18No, Intel is developing their one GPU tech as far as I've been reading. This shouldn't hurt the Nvidia & AMD relationship as Nvidia is the top chipset maker for AMD procs.
- donsmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Seem like I've hear of this elsewhere, so the Forbes link was helpful. But dude, don't put SPAM-like URL in there that have NOTHING to so with the article.
- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"A merger looks likely..."
"It is reported there is news that..."
Reported as inaccurate, try again when it's on bbc or cnet. - MrSketch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16"Wow, this may be inaccurate or it may be one hell of a scoop, the Chinese may know first *shrug*"
The Chinese would know first because, obviously, they're several hours ahead of us. - thedove, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14i don't know what to believe...i want to mark this as inaccurate, but if this ends up being true then i'm the big idiot...it's tough!
- drowe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You did notice, of course, the submitters name...
- duddman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14"According to a news article on Sinatech 新浪网"
So where's the real article? Did I miss a link? Who is Sinatech? - fantasticjon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Being market leader doesn't mean that they aren't a joke. There are hundreds of areas where the market leader is a joke. ( joke = vastly inferior product) McDonald's and General Motors come to mind off the top of my head.
Intel is only the GPU leader because they make a lot of chipsets for business and home PCs that are not aimed at gamers and they integrate their GPU. - Retuobak, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Complete joke?
How is the market leader for GPU's a joke? - diafel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Chinese newspapers are nothing but factual.
- dmron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Orion - uh, because there's no reliable source reporting? Who the hell is Sinatech and why would they know?
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Its been a rumor for a couple weeks now. It may end up being true, but there has been no confirmation yet and the site linked to in this story is just picking up an old rumor. It baffles me how these things make the front page...
- evensong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7For anyone wondering, Sina is pretty much the definitive internet news source in China and for Chinese world-wide. Don't google Sinatech, it will lead you to some sales site. Sinatech refers (probably translated) to the technology portion of Sina news.
- evensong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Was looking at the same thing, but you beat me =(
Translation:
Contains information Chinabyte July 5 (Reporter Gumeng) June 15, 2006, contains Chinabyte reports AMD had ATI acquisition negotiations have entered a substantive stage. July 4 that the industry has information on the sale and storage ATI has reached an agreement to be formally announced.
Liu Chinabyte reporters were directed to AMD Greater China market companies with ATI Chinese Director Wang Fu Yung Yiu district official, Wang Fu Yung has no telephone calls, and the telephone has Yiu is a single state. AMD followed with reporters,
State Department Liuyanli market companies and Chinese companies market ATI contact the Department shameful Project, both expressed about the news. Liuyanli told reporters that "the rumours storage companies will not do any response. "Project more shameful is" really do not know what M & As, "as an excuse to refuse to comment.
But the afternoon contains Chinabyte journalists from ATI internal sources informed that the news from Taipei to see basically have negotiated, but it is also officially announced the acquisition or merger after clear, the company has not been formally notified within. Cooperation between the two companies is the initial concentration of R & D and manufacturing in the back-end operations, ATI does not have its own chip plant, the factory has been commissioned to manufacture chips on behalf of Taiwan. "
"or some feeling of loss, the company said it sold sell flu very sorry, but we can not return to life in ATI. "Liu Chinabyte told reporters the other side.
As for whether the acquisition would ATI, particularly ATI Chinese district have great influence, the person will not be considered temporary larger changes.
It is understood ATI in the layout complete. Less financial pressure, the three principal organs of direction : Beijing is primarily responsible for marketing and OEM business for mobile phone and mobile operations in Shanghai, Shenzhen rule days (AMI) for the sale of access.
Although ATI insiders of ex post transition optimism, but from a reporter contains Chinabyte industry insider Department was informed that the company has been entrusted with the head start for AMD and ATI merger of a number of candidates for key positions, the other party on the grounds of ethics not to disclose more specific information.
On the evening of July 4, contains Chinabyte informed the senior reporter with a contact person, that person unexpectedly that the main intention is not AMD acquisitions ATI is the general view of the resources available desktop chip group, while the person continues to think AMD将 with Nvidia desktop chip group in close cooperation.
"AMD's strategic focus will shift to the mobile market, mobile market in the face of resistance AMD desktop market is significantly higher than for AMD chips in the group most closely Nvidia partners to help AMD cut 20% of the global processor market share, But cooperation between the two sides focused on desktop platforms. AMD mobile chips in the group rely more on ATI, SIS and via, which mainly Nvidia strength in the mobile market is not strong. In addition to cooperation with AMD, Intel, as Intel was only a 'formal recognition' chips Group suppliers, ATI mobile chips Group product line more mature, more products in the low end Intel platform notebook appear that the current ThinkPad, Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, and other front-line notebook manufacturers have introduced mobile chips using ATI Group products. "
"AMD has just recently issued a double-nuclear boast Long 64 processors, in the hope that they can repeat the success of server and desktop market, AMD has set down within 20% of the global notebook market. In the server and desktop market success is the Nvidia chip group AMD in the mobile market but only to find other partners, ATI is a good choice. But ATI in the desktop chip market power is not enough strong group, NVIDIA and AMD will not abandon cooperation This purchase from Nvidia with AMD, ATI will be able to look at the attitude out. ATI will enable AMD and Nvidia in acquisitions relations become very delicate, with the exception of mobile chips Group, ATI in the desktop graphics chip and Nvidia chip group market are the main opponents. " - Mrkamikaze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7ATI needs this maybe AMD can help them develop drivers that work for the hardware they produce.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Every nerd in the world just tipped up his glasses and got mad and typed "LIES" very fast.
- jramos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Ummmm... unless the dollar in your pocket right now is worth 5% less than it was this morning, the stock price is more than keeping up with inflation, ass.
- koick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yeah, you know one of those dialed-in, Chineese websites. You know, they are all over the place. The great firewall is just a rumor.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning. Forbs is very reliable.
- f3l1x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Allied Telesyn Inc or ATI?
- kozie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So it wont hurt nvidia... As AMD will now become a direct competitor but also a direct partner. Great!
- bdbr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5'Liuyanli told reporters that "the rumours storage companies will not do any response."'
Is Digg one of those rumours storage companies? :-) - oriondr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Then why not go investigate into the background of Sinatech and mark accordingly, or wait for someone who actually knows, don't just go "pfffft, no way!" and bury it.
I haven't dugg or buried this story. - culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Whatever happened to that Vodoo 3 I used to have.... "
It's in the Pentium III PC that you gave to your mom. - SleighBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If this pans out then hopefully AMD will spread their open chip documentation ways to ATI and we can be rid of the binary BLOB that is the current ATI Linux driver.
- yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/31/amd-ati-technologies-0531markets10.html
Just posting the link above without the SPAM attached - whiteruskii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5/angrily tips up glasses
LIES! - KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The headline here is sensationalist, the article really doesn't exist as far as anyone can tell, and there is nothing official on the table. I would think marking this inaccurate so as to prompt an investigation into the reports is not too absurd.
- lsmaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Then simply do not buy ATi stuff. That is simple.
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This worries me, I have owned Nvidia for quite a while and never had an issue. I remember when I was playing Call of Duty, a friend had to constantly roll back to an old driver for his ATI 9600 Pro.
If AMD can reform ATI's drivers we'll talk. - doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If it is true that AMD buys ATI, then it is a sad day. Nvidia is far better partner for AMD. I dislike the ATI driver in my laptop (both windows and linux versions, but to a much greater extent, the linux driver). I'd try the new driver, but I'm afraid it will mess things up so that I have to spend hours fixing it to get back to the same problems I'm having now. The Nvidia drivers are always simple and work great.
Don't do it AMD!!!!
(like they'll listen to me!) - M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They won't... even if AMD and ATI merge.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, that site looks shady, and there seems to be nothing concrete. I'm going to also say "try again when it's actually announced."
- Coreguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's TRUE......I swear..
don't need to label it as "Possibly Inaccurate" - kberrien, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Well hopefully they step in and fix ATI's crappy drivers. I'll take NVIDIA any day for that reason. What's with ATI's and tons of seperate drivers, not to mention you have to go through a whole bunch of buttons and crap.
ATI driver install - find SPECIFIC driver on there annoying website. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click (pretty pictures), click, click. Installing.
Nvidia - download general family driver. Click, click, installed. (nvidia true, or generic).
... and thats my ATI driver rant! Otherwise, who cares. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It depends what your metric is for comparing 'best' or whatnot.
In terms of speed, yes Intel is slow. Their newer 'Graphics Media Accelerators' are much faster then their old stuff, but it still is beaten out by ATI's and Nvidia's integrated options... Just not as much as before. The major thing that Intel has done recently has created integrated graphics that are full featured, at least as far as OpenGL and DirectX goes. Their previous "Extreme Blaster 2" stuff had compatability issues with games and such.
But as far as being inexpensive, efficient, and low-wattage usage they are very good.
If I was buying a mobile device I like it to be small, lightweight, inexpensive, and have long battery life. For that application then the Intel GMA stuff is nearly ideal. For desktop replacement stuff, it's obviously not. - computergee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hopefully AMD will revamp Ati's linux drivers, than more linux games will follow? I think nvidia would have been a better partner though =(.
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