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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Do they have Linux drivers?
Seems like a fairly decent chipset if ATI gets off their asses and releases Linux drivers... - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26@metalstorm
DX10 compatible hardware can still play DX9 games. But if its new and it processes video and its not DX10 supported, its worthless as far as I'm concerned. - jcaino, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11good luck with ATI's level of embracement of open-anything.
- shredomatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Let's hope the drivers don't blow ass
- BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'll censor you(r spam) by adding you to my blocked list. Good day.
- kazimir34, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11It's more or less media player oriented.
Go buy a GeForce 8800GT at $700+ if you really want to waste your money. - brink668, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9GO AMD! SWEETNESS
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"continuing to receive more diggs an comments all the time."
He must have missed today's data visualizations by Stamen Design that showed the outrageously suspicious activity surrounding that story. Nobody cares if it continues to receive more diggs if they're from hundreds of fake accounts.. - jejones, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yup. If ATI hasn't changed its shoddy support of Linux, what they do is irrelevant to me.
- aywwts4, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Metalstorm:
It would be pretty dumb to buy a graphics card when it's abilities are at the end of it's lifecycle, this isnt a matter of graphics trumping anything else, its simply a matter of formats and if you want new games to run at all in a few years.
Take a look at a the first DX-9 card the ATI 9700 was the first I believe, look at how many games have supported earlier cards at all. Look at how many years that has been the case.
Basically we are right at a divide, once we cross to the other side everything will be just fine, but to buy a graphics card with the purpose of gaming at this moment is sort of silly - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Go buy a GeForce 8800GT at $700+ if you really want to waste your money."
Actually, you can get a GTX for ~$500 and a GTS for ~$300. You're obviously a console fanboy so I'm willing to assume you were intentionally incorrect. - Krutch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Just curious, but how is your comment related to the parent subject? I see no connection and therefore I am burying your comment.
Now back on topic. I think I have to agree with netjoe here. AMD needs to continue to focus on its on its Chipsets and not the integration. There just isn't a huge market for it. If someone wants an integrated graphics solution they will buy a motherboard with an integrated graphics solution. Now if AMD was to release a chipset that had highend graphics support (DX10) and could support up and coming games then I would be interested. Even at the extra cost. - NetJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Chipset with integrated graphics. It might work for a home server, and put actual 3d graphics on low end motherboards that might not otherwise have it. Don't try to use it for gaming. Performance was too close to the older chipsets though, I expected a bit more. Looks like AMD is still working on integrating ATI into their products. I'm starting to wonder if the merger has distracted them..
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I wonder who AMD loves more: His wife, ATI, or his mistress, NVidia...?
- Matteos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4No, just a $350 chipset.
- habbofresh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2let's hope the IGP era (early intel + radeon express MB's) is not repeated.
... the horrors.... - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There was an article on RAID controllers recently and it was absolutely correct. A real RAID expansion card costs $350 and the Mobo with an on board controller costs $175. You don't need to be Einstein to realise the implication.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The 690G actually contains an ATi Radeon X1250 so it should work with the latest fglrx, but ATi has surprised me before. I'd personally just continue to stick with Nvidia.
- morphie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So let me get thuis straight: When sony is low on stock, then that's a bad sign that the PS3 wasn't ready on time. Now, they have enough in stock... but what the heck, let's make it a bad sign anyway: Now they're not selling their damn console!
People just want sony to be bad. - YojimboJango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd like to point out an error in your argument. In the article it states that the pci-e card has about 8-ghz of bandwidth between the cpu and the video card, while the on board ATI card only had 2-ghz. But it doesn't matter because even the fastest of this line of cards can't use all that bandwidth. While I agree that the AMD/ATI merger looks promising for fans of the two in reality our current set up requires the foot long video card with an on-card cooling system. If you put that kind of thing on the mother board it would get way too hot. When it comes to integrated on board stuff don't expect to see much more than price reductions on last generations technology.
Where the real meat of the merger should come in is when AMD starts adding instruction sets on it's chips that are built specifically for ATI cards. I don't expect to see any of this until both the AMD and ATI lineups roll over a few times though. Wait till AMD announces their next socket type and ATI churns out about two more generation of cards. I'm predicting that late 2008 you'll see some fireworks. - AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5ATI have had Linux drivers out for ages.
There was a time when nVidias were better but now they are about equal.
Both are closed source.
Both support the opengl API.
Both support TV-out and Dual displays.
Both support 64 and 32 bit versions of Linux.
Both support kernel 2.4 and 2.6.
Performance is about the same as the Windows drivers for both cards.
Stability is fine.
In other words these days they are equal. - morphie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My bad, wrong story... Pls digg it down.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I just hope this doesn't affect nForce chipsets with AMD processors in the future, No way I'm switching to ATi with the state of their Linux drivers. I like AMD CPU's for their good performance at low prices and have used them for years, but if this too negatively effects the AMD/Nvidia relationship I'm gonna have to switch to Intel.
- thedraft, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Possibly the first boring step towards something much more interesting.
Modern PCs are designed around general purpose CPUs being assisted by a number of expansion cards that handle specific tasks, like video cards, sound cards, NICs, RAID controllers, etc. etc. Things weren't always this way, however. Back in the day, the CPU handled EVERYTHING. It processed your video, audio, network, data storage, basically every task you wanted the PC to do. However, as those tasks got more complicated, the CPUs ability to perform them diminished, and expansion cards were introduced to pick up the slack.
The continuation of that process, however, sees CPUs evolving to the point where they make expansion cards obsolete. You can already see this with NIC cards. I'm willing to bet the vast majority of you don't have an NIC card in your system, because it's redundant. The motherboard has an NIC port, and the CPU is more than capable of providing any sort of processing power that the NIC functions require. Sound cards are moving in this direction as well. The motherboard still has to provide sound card specific functions, especially physical interface ports, but the brunt of the sound processing is handled by your CPU. RAID controllers are also generally included with motherboards, as opposed to being separate expansion cards.
The big dog of expansion cards is the video card, specifically the GPU. These things have gotten so big and complex that they are in essence their own little PC, complete with a processor and memory. The amount of work they do is extreme, and the idea of offloading it to a CPU is laughable... for now. But the seeds have already been planted. Sony attempted to make this work with the PS3- the CELL processor was originally intended to handle all calculations, including 3D visuals. Unfortunately for them, they weren't able to make it work, and the RSX GPU was added at the last minute, giving PS3 a more traditional PC like set up, where the CPU handles "invisible" calculations like physics and AI, while the GPU does all the 3D stuff.
From what I've read, integrating GPU like functionality into a CPU brings some pretty impressive performance gains. Communication between a CPU and GPU is fairly bandwidth limited, and that goes out the window when the CPU, GPU and RAM are all part of one big processing cycle. I'm sure that all CPU manufacturers are looking to that kind of development, but AMD/ATI, being the only one with extensive knowledge of both CPUs and GPUs, seems like the best bet for making it happen earliest.
I think one of most exciting aspects of a system being compromised from nothing but a mobo, CPU, RAM, HDD and disc drive (and we may not even need those...) is that we'll finally see real heavy hitting performance in Mac Mini sized boxes.
I fully expect to get dug down for this, because I am NOT an engineer, and my understanding of these concepts is shaky at best, blatantly incorrect at worst, but as an avid (yet ignorant) fan of PC hardware, I'm really excited to see what comes next. Clearly the current system is pretty broken, with our foot long, 300w, 100 degrees Celsius video cards. - ncr100, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3NVidia IDE drivers have been a huge headache for me, resulting in Windows system instability and terrible performance.
- KamikazeeDriver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If they do, there's always Omega
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What makes you think that the AMD merger will make ATI's drivers better? I know many Diggers think that AMD/Linux is a holy alliance, but Intel has been far more supportive of Linux than either AMD or ATI have been.
AMD chipsets and ATI video cards have always been behind when it came to Linux drivers. NVidia has been semi-compliant, but the trooper has been Intel. While their video cards are far from ATI/Nvidia's when it comes to power and features, at least they provide absolute driver support for Linux (including chipset and wireless cards, too). - crossers, on 07/21/2008, -0/+0sorry what kind of graphs are this?
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http://www.chasr.org/ - warpzero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I can't believe that anybody would seriously think that the "merger has now borne its first product" with the 690. The AMD acquisition completed less than six months ago. Do you people have any idea how long an ASIC takes to bring to production? The 690 was on ATI's roadmap long before AMD came along. You're not going to see the first product from the merger until about early 2008.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@bothra
"ummm date on the article is February 28, 2006
buried as old and lame"
LMFAO AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*falls off chair* - felderado, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1onboard raid is nothing like a real raid card. are you on crack, GMorgan?
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2hooray, reduced functionality.
- andyrobo60, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I just hope they don't stop others from making chipsets for AMD processors.
- ahmerhussain, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2This is an integrated graphics chip, correct?
Sounds like a $350 graphics card. - ButterBuddha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2HDCP SUPPORT!!!!
- Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Ew.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1They will not support Linux so...guess they are ***** out of luck
- jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Somehow im thinking of the Indrema right now.
My idea is making a cheap xbox clone based on this kind of chipset using openxdk.
The advantage would be openness and the fact that it would be in the xbox 360 territory. - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@kazimir: my 8800GTX was less than $700. I paid $500 after rebate. If you took the time to study benchmarks, you'd see that it's a far superior card, and well worth the money. No buyers remorse here.
BTW, there is no such thing as an 8800GT. Only 8800GTX and 8800GTS 640/340MB versions. - datalife, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1hot stock
- Metalstorm808, on 10/12/2007, -21/+9Yeah pleasejustdie, we all know that graphics>gameplay. None of these dx9 games this year are even worth buying right?? Are you SERIOUS?
- lorductape, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5in soviet russia, we still use intel.
- bothra, on 10/12/2007, -19/+5ummm date on the article is February 28, 2006
buried as old and lame - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1http://digg.com/politics/BBC_Reported_Building_7_Had_Collapsed_20_Minutes_Before_It_Fell
with 1789 diggs and 1000 comments.
Some are trying to censore this story from making it to the main page.
The report is true!
Another hole in the official story, So the standard way for them to deal with it is to keep the facts away from the people.
Do not allow them to get away with it. Get informed, refuse to be manipulated. Tell your friends. Here is a link to the original story buried down in spite of it continuing to receive more diggs an comments all the time. - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -40/+10DX9 was sooo 2006, if its not DX10 I don't care.
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