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- lucidguru, on 11/14/2007, -6/+97Hmm let me see O***** ***
"Office Max" perhaps? - omnipotent, on 11/12/2007, -2/+63You're not suppose to tell everyone! I was hoping to sneak in there that Friday well before most diggers would crawl out of bed. Oh well, I'm not above throwing punching for 24" inches of LCD.
- ChromaVita, on 11/13/2007, -2/+57Yea, sorry, everyone knows about it now. There should be a huge line around 2 in the afternoon when they open their doors.
YOU HEAR THAT EVERYONE GO AT 2 IN THE AFTER NOON. - inactive, on 11/13/2007, -3/+51soyo? next.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -8/+49ought
- R2Bacca, on 11/14/2007, -4/+38Your blog is a piece of crap. Poorly written article, poorly constructed web page.
- LilJimmyNordin, on 11/13/2007, -2/+34It's right up there with Sorny, Magnetbox and Panaphonics. I hear Soyos have a durable outer casing to prevent fall-apart...
- slut, on 11/13/2007, -3/+33Id pay extra for a non TN panel
- LilJimmyNordin, on 11/13/2007, -1/+22Sorry, I'm confused. Which is it? An acre, or 20 inches?
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 11/13/2007, -6/+24Yes but they all use TN panels. These types of screens will be horrible at 24". They're barely tolerable in smaller sizes. Put TN Panels over 24" and all four corners will be solid grey, and the top of the screen will also be very very dark. A typical 24" will use some sort of MVA panel and cost over $600.
- chingy1788, on 11/12/2007, -2/+17if some one would be so kind to get one for me in Australia I would be so happy
- brufleth, on 11/13/2007, -2/+17I assure you that it is spam.
- fatadamblog, on 11/12/2007, -1/+15Samsung 226BW You'll thank me later :D
- sclark, on 11/13/2007, -0/+14Amazed people go cheap on something that is critical to productivity and comfort. They all look good in the showroom. Put them in the office and live with them 10h/day and the differences will begin to emerge.
- TheRealPod, on 11/13/2007, -1/+13I love it when you talk d*rty to me.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -1/+12That's what I thought until I was given a second monitor. It's the type of thing that seems useless until you have one. Now I don't think I could handle using just a single monitor.
- SiliconRain, on 11/13/2007, -3/+14Sorry, I think you'll find that no one cares about your blog.
- BenBenMan, on 11/12/2007, -2/+12Heh, if Digg were around 10 years ago, this story would be called 1024x768 17" CRTs Fall Below $1000!
Ahh, the days. - SoundScape, on 11/13/2007, -1/+11Still sounds like a good deal. I wouldn't complain, since you've already had 6 months more enjoyment than you would've had if you'd waited.
- Shivetya, on 11/13/2007, -1/+10The Soyo uses a M/PVA Panel. 8bit color. The best panels are S/PVA, but M/PVA is a big step up from TN panels. The monitor is really good, actually its amazing at the price
- therearenorules, on 11/13/2007, -4/+13now why would i want everyone to know about these deals? buried.
- Shivetya, on 11/12/2007, -2/+11This is really a good monitor. It uses a M-PVA panel, not a TN. This allows for 8-bit color instead of TN's 6-bit. The next step up would be S-PVA.
If you buy this monitory consider replacing the DVI cable. If you get odd lines on the display or other corruption during use just changing the cable will fix 99% of the issues. Refresh rate was sufficient for HL2 being driven by a 8800GT
It has built in speakers but I have not used them. The built in menu for playing with settings is a little weak, a little annoying to operate as the controls for that are on the right side, but it gets the job done. I found better color control by using the NVidia tools, I am sure ATI has similar.
It stacks up VERY nicely against my 24" iMac (white generation). With proper color tuning I can't really tell the difference between the two. It is better in one area, for some reason on the iMac WOW displays a line 3/4s of the way down the screen where it looks like its driving the image as two portions. Not sure if its monitor related, 7600gt related, or just WOW's implementation there.
Oh, only real negative? Power cord is too short! - Tenoq, on 11/12/2007, -0/+7'Invest' is a pretty strong word given a 24" is only $300, and a 19" is what, $100US? :P
- counterplex, on 11/12/2007, -0/+7A couple of points on that since I exclusively use widescreen displays for work:
1. Think of the widescreen as a regular display stretched laterally instead of a clipped vertically. You can then use the extra area on the side to compare documents or open multiple windows while retaining full view of their contents.
2. Consider rotating the display 90 degrees to give you a display that is taller than it is wide. Might help with those "taller than they are wide" documents. - darkamster07, on 11/13/2007, -0/+7the same thing happened on digg last year, people saying: don't tell anyone about so-and-so deal at best buy!
news flash: people know what black friday is. - scyon, on 11/12/2007, -0/+7It means that the $300 monitor is crap.
- ivandir, on 11/12/2007, -1/+8You are uninformed my naive friend. 1080p is nothing more than 1920x1080 resolution as the post above says.
- CanoeBuilder, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9Hmm, brief third party commentary on a 'tech deal.' Yet, provides no link to oh say a purchase point, or any other verification of what is being said.
- GreyICE, on 11/13/2007, -0/+7I would have thought the exact same thing. Then I got an 8800GTX, and decided to hook my TV up as a second monitor in case I wanted to watch TV shows while having a monitor free. Long story short, I'm now in the market for a second monitor. They're amazing!
- jlungu, on 11/13/2007, -0/+6so ... you've thought this through?
- DemonWasp, on 11/13/2007, -0/+6Honestly, who would put a cat in a bag anyway? That just seems like an excellent way to get clawed in your stupid face.
- nephilimx, on 11/12/2007, -0/+6LCD uses 3 times less power then CRT, yet its not good enough? what a dumb arguement
- brufleth, on 11/13/2007, -1/+7Agreed. Outside of movies and some games the wide format doesn't help a whole lot. Most documents (web pages included) are still taller than they are wide though. I like larger monitors but personally I prefer they just be bigger overall rather than wider.
- toggo, on 11/12/2007, -2/+819 Feet! Wow!
- cm702, on 11/12/2007, -1/+7Thank You
- Mike89, on 11/12/2007, -1/+7Why? Isn't it just free advertising for them?
- dstz, on 11/12/2007, -0/+5Don't buy a 226BW or you're going to spend way too much time on your computer.
- cardinalb, on 11/12/2007, -1/+6They really meant 1.4 hectares, is that not obvious? ;-)
- Rickler, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5Look at the border on that thing! It looks to be 1.5 inches on the sides/top; with a 3 inch chin.
- gotcheaprice, on 11/12/2007, -4/+9Damn... I bought my 22in acer half a yr ago for $200 -_-
- xrevision, on 11/12/2007, -0/+5except for apples. have fun buying those.
- HonoredMule, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5I find dual monitors pretty useless when just browsing, playing games, etc. But when I'm actually using my computers for work, dual monitors are a godsend. Almost any task can be streamlined by using some form of "input on one screen, output on the other" paradigm.
- burkay, on 11/13/2007, -0/+4"people know what black friday is"
of course, it is the day when satan was crucified. - idiotwithastick, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8FTFA: "It was only a mere ten-fifteen years ago when you could easily spend a good $400 on a 14″ CRT monitor. And that was no bargain, would have cost you $1000 or more for a 17″ that had about as many colors as a small box of Crayons, not to mention it was as deep as it is wide and wasn’t any more flat than one of the moon’s craters."
Uh, no, old Dells came with 17" flat Trinitron monitors, with support for 24-bit color, and that was over 10 years ago. Unless if the monitor cost half the price of the computer, I highly doubt that statement. - dfarq, on 11/12/2007, -0/+4I worked in a consumer electronics store until August 1995, and at the time we were selling 15-inch monitors for $299. No-name monitors were a bit less. And they could all display up to 24-bit color. A 17-incher cost more, probably around $700. I didn't sell a lot of them. But the price dropped very quickly over the next couple of years, as did the size. And I don't recall them being all that round--not as flat as today, but not horrible either.
Whoever wrote this article needs to do some research. - xtc46, on 11/12/2007, -0/+4wait...you mean the price of technology drops? I for one, am shocked.
- joeanon, on 11/12/2007, -5/+9Well, that is an exciting price, but to suggest people upgrade and that your LCD will last longer is going a bit far.
I think if you need a monitor, certainly go with the LCD. They are finally cheap enough that you can't really justify a CRT purchase, however there is no reason to move from CRT to LCD until your CRT breaks down OR because you need the desk space or such. Otherwise, the electricity savings are minimal, the picture is still slightly inferior on most or all LCD, the longevity of consumer LCD is not proven (while many of us have 5-10 year old CRT). I'd buy one if I needed a monitor, but otherwise it's a waste of money to spend 300 bucks on something you don't need when there are so many things you do need.
Take that 300 and put it toward an LCD projetor. They can be as cheap as 400 bucks these days AND I think most people would prefer the home movie theater screen size over high resoltuion. Unless you creating graphics or doing CAD or such why would you need a super high resolution desktop. Because, you like web pages appearing tiny ? I think people fasely look at HD and high res are being important when picture size is likely vastly more satisfying. 16:9 is a nice touch for overall entertainment, but once again not all that useful on a PC monitor unless it's main purpose is a to watch movies.
So,,, it's more of splurge than anything unless you use very large monitors for some reason in which case I'd be surprised if you don't already have a similar size and quality LCD or CRT. Even if you'r playing games it still seems like it would be more fun at home theater size than high rez, PLUS much easier to pull off high FPS. Thouh I've yet to play games on an LCD projector there could be serious ghosting problems or such.
I'd certainly rather watch movies through an LCD projector than on a small 24 inch monitor. But, it would be nice as a stocking stuffer :P. I certainly wouldn't tell people to go get it just because it's a large cheap LCD.
This is just a sign of bad sales and lower prices OR they want to sell off this model so they lowered the price. Either way, you have no rush to buy.
An LCD will save you a mere 10 dollars a YEAR in electricity, though in warm climates/offices the added heat might be seen as a larger disadvantage than the electricity.
In any case, there is no real electric savings with LCD. That has always been marketing hype. I did the calculations years ago myself when LCD was more expensive to see if there was any reason to switch and there wasn't other than it takes up less space and therefore looks more attractive, especially say as the computer in the front office everyone sees when they walk in.
Sooo even if electricity triples your still savings some 30 bucks a month. Of course, those of you that just leave you monitor on for fun would see a larger savings. I use my FREE 21 inch Optiquest CRT a lot and it can add some significant BTU's to the room, however such technology exists as opening a window so I'm good for now. Maybe when I turn my house into a space ship I'll force myself to upgrade all my CRT monitors and TV's to LCD. I hear they survive environmental stress a little better, though I've seen CRT't last for 20+ years in hellish conditions, so jury is still out on that one. I think LCD will have the advantage of scaling upward better. A 24 inch CRT is so heavy you run into the physical limits for some people. A the screens get bigger LCD also becomes a better deal faster. Not that I'd recommend anyone to actually buy a CRT monitor new unless i guess you want to the cheapest of the cheap prices such as a used CRT or even free.
So, sure if there was a real energy savings maybe people should upgrade. There isn't. If you care about saving money your 300 bucks could buy an upgrade thermostat and a bunch of CFL light bulbs if your not already smart enough to have done that. I'll wait until my 21 inch dies and then probably just find a free 19 inch CRT. 300 bucks could buy my 1.5 terrabits of storage or perhaps an engine for my bicycle, which I think would be a lot more fun. I can't find those things for free or cheap.
Don't be led into being a consumer for not reason. Even if you have money to blow, you should be getting some return on your investment. A new monitor is not likely very little return though not every needs 1.5T of storage. It's still only 24 inches, likely a lot smaller than your TV, so it's not like it's going to blow you away.
My dad has a 20 inch wide screen LCD and it's perfect for his desk, certainly takes up less space and has a nice picture, but it's not amazing by any means and you do miss some of the brightness and fast refresh of CRT. LCD is likely ONLY better for your eyes because its nowhere near as bright while CRT can boast a faster refresh rate. Sooooo, I dunno. LCD is still more 'KEWL' than it is superior to CRT on the actual facts. But these days LCD is just as cheap or cheaper in most cases. I doubt they can make a 24 inch CRT that cheap.
16:9 as taken off because wide screen movies look better and the wideness of the screen better fits with human perifrial vision.
Here is more info about refresh rate or latency or whatever you want to call it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/52152-3-refresh- ...
Technically the CRT still likely hosts the fastest picture with the least ghosting making it better for high speed gamers especially FPS games.
Soooooo yet another reason not to throw out a perfectly working CRT for an LCD. There is no savings, cept in space and weight. A cheaper LCD is probably harder on your eyes than a high quality CRT. Think twice when buying for just size and price there is a LOT more to image quality than just resolution. If want a real upgrade, get a high end monitor or get something that does things your monitor can't like an LCD projector or add a second monitor if you have only one. - latrosicarius, on 11/12/2007, -2/+6I bought 2 of these for 350 a few months ago, i thought that was a fantastic deal... apparently it has gotten even better =/
- burndive, on 11/14/2007, -0/+4Actually (and I'm not making this up), it was so that the person you're selling it to thinks it's a pig. Piglets were sold in bags, apparently.
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