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- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -8/+143@MacIsTehBest
=>'why would any1 want this crap?"
What are you gonna say when Apple announces this for MacBooks? - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -9/+128Wake me up when it's less than $100.
- Ignotus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+65@MacIsTehBest
Because solid state is quieter, usually cooler, uses less power, performs better, and less susceptible to shock, than standard hard drives with moving platters and read/write heads. It's better in just about every way except for price, which will take care of itself over time. That was a ridiculous comment or a mediocre attempt at trolling. - roxics, on 10/12/2007, -4/+57Add another zero
- Leonichol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48RTA!
."The Adtron products deliver sustained read/write performance in the 70MB/sec range, delivering the solid state industry's best performance and far exceeding the capabilities of rotating media (HDDs)." - turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49macisthebest is clearly just trolling, he has a nazi sign in his apple. just ignore/block him
I want the price to come down so i can pop it in my ibook and get 6 hours battery. - dvshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47Site down.. actual site:http://www.adtron.com/newsroom/25fb-Solid-State-Disk.html
- wingnut21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Like I haven't heard that every 5-10 years...
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28I think that within 3 years I figure you'll be hard pressed to find a laptop that won't be using SSDs (as opposed to HDDs). That's just my $.02 though.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29"which will take care of itself over time."
People always say that but by the time this drive is affordable, there will probably be 3TB notebook disk-based drives for $200. In other words, disk drives aren't going away soon. I think a hybrid system makes sense though. Bulk of the storage being on the disks and solid state holding the OS and programs. - retral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+255-10 years solid state will hopefully be the standard for mass data storage (and by then it should be affordable).
- Adamness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Oh yeah. I saw (I think on engadget) that the cost for this drive was about $80-110 per gigabyte. That means this drive would cost over $12,000.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21@"What are you gonna say when Apple announces this for MacBooks?"
Just as soon as the rewrite cycles on Flash memory are comparable to that of hard drives. Flash works great for MP3 and video players, where the number of rewrite cycles needed by the user falls well below the 1M specified cycles of modern Flash memories. When it comes to running a swap file, where you can page out 50K-1M times daily, Flash is not a viable option. As such, one would still have to run a hard drive to store the swap file, so there goes the power savings, and actually the Flash becomes an additional drain on the battery life.
Nice to see digg is keeping up the mental masturbation though. Have fun! - ColdFusiowned, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16This is great news indeed. I cannot wait until other companies catch up to this particular capacity and drag the prices down (article does not state price). Oh, how I look forward to a 1TB flash hard drive.
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Those are 1.8" drives.
- raindogmx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@panique
you made us sad, you're not coming to my bday party anymore. - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"macisthebest is clearly just trolling, he has a nazi sign in his apple. just ignore/block him"
Weird, he befriended flag564 as well. Something tells me he's a anti-mac fanboy in disguise.
Buh-locked. - yourmightyruler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12One more step to not having moving parts on a laptop. Imagine a world where all laptops are like Toughbooks. Minus the ***** rubber.
- daborg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Wow, I didn't know there was 10k drives in the 2.5" format. Cause that's what you meant right?
- PeteLP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@jjesusfreak01
"Lets do some math. I bought a 4GB SD card for $70. Thats $17.50 a GB. scaling this up, thats $700 for the drive "
Let's redo some math: 17.5 * 160 = $2800 for the drive
I wish you were right, but not yet. - evolseven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11All of the statistics I can find on 10k rpm drives show them with specs of about 70-80mb/sec with real world results between 50-60mb/sec so I would say its pretty comparable.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@raindogmx - thanks for the laugh.
It's a bitch being the voice of reason, but someone's got to do it. Otherwise you guys would all be thinking you're going to buy a 4oz. solar powered notebook with 12 hours battery reserve that uses a roll up screen and keyboard with OLED keys, has 5Gbps wireless internet access, plays Halo 6 AND Doom 9 simultaneously at 180fps (that's each), runs Mac OS X even though it's not an Apple, and No, it doesn't blend. Availability Q207. - moneyfink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Most flash based storage devices have limited number or writes before they crap out. Has this improved in the last 18 months? I was looking into CF for my boot-disk in my CarPC, but i had to alter windows to not write at start-up.
If they are going to sell this I hope they overcame that point! - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I'm amazed at the speed at which everything to do with computers advances... except for the speed of hard disk technology. I'm a young guy, but I have seen memory go from 2-4M to 2-4GB, processors go from 30MHz to 3GHz, disk size go from a few MB to 750 GB. But the fastest consumer disks (sorry, 15k SCSI disks don't count) are 10k RPM... and those are pricey! 7200RPM is effectively the limit on consumer disks, with 5400RPM still far too common for my liking.
GET OFF YOUR ASSES YOU LAZY BASTARDS WE WANT FAST DISKS! The best thing they've come up with recently is flash storage stuck inside the disk as a cache.... big ***** deal.
/rant - Shuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Wow! This minus the DVD Drive would make laptops so ultra thin and light! It would help with cooling too!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.
- chroko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Tom's Hardware tested a SSD (solid state drive) last year. Throughput was as fast as the interface - the drive they tested was ATA/66 and transfer rates seemed to be limited by the interface. Reads were fixed at 50MB/s, although writes were fixed at ~30MB/s. But got those speeds whatever they were doing with it:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/20/conventional_hard_drive_obsoletism/page5.html
The drive just announced seems to have a SATA interface, so it won't have this limitation. But even with the old ATA/66 interface, SSD drives have killer random access performance - moving parts simply can't keep up. Look at the second diagram here, the web server benchmark:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/20/conventional_hard_drive_obsoletism/page7.html
So yeah, moving to flash drives is a good thing - and you would definitely notice the difference. - tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They still will crap out after a certain amount, but it's over 10 million writes. All solid state hard drives also have a controller in them to make sure they write to the disk evenly, maximizing the life of the disk. It will die eventually, but they will actually last longer than regular hard drives.
- yourmightyruler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why do you say that? A desktop isn't going to move when the hard drive is spinning around.
- markdr123, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Wow, that's pretty impressive. How does the read/write speed compare to a normal hard drive though?
- lcohiomatty86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@tylorni
im not sure wat it is your talking about.. but standard disk based hard drives can easily get up to 50-60-70 and up to 100 mb/s (with the "raptor" bein the high end one).. while this could be a little faster than a typical HD.. for the price being paid.. it won't be much faster than a high end HD for a desktop or laptop. - superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Listen, I'd buy this today if it is relatively reasonable and put it into my MBP. I love everything about my mac, I just want a longer battery life, and this looks like it could provide it with no serious performance hit, if not a performance boost,
- aidanr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Thats $17.50 a GB. scaling this up, thats $700 for the drive"
i think my calculator is broken, where did you get yours? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i store my data on cave walls
- jake57, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4already done in the nano and shuffle
- smcavoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3probably 10-20x that.
- TigerClaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Cause flash based hard drives could out live those.
- coldhandshake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is not really news, M-Systems (owned by Sandisk) has been making SATA drives (2.5") up to 128G for awhile, they also make a 320G SCSI drive. Both solid state, SSD.
- felderado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3call me when they can guarantee trillions of writes
- iOsiris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Most people don't realize that flash drives have a limited amount of read/writes. Even though they're in the millions, the overall life of a flash drive is shorter compared to a platter (unless it mysteriously dies.. cough:: hitachi) panique has a more in depth explaination of what I'm saying
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3price check please?
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4and square it by pi
- mattxb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've heard that flash drives can only be rewritten so many times, does anyone know if this is true or if it would ever be an issue?
- garyh84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OK, someone help me out here. Flash drives usually have a max write limit correct? So does this thing? And if so, then everytime I use my browser (which creates cache), would that take up one of those writes? So if it has a limit of 2,000,000... that would take only a few months for hardcore internet surfers.
I hope I'm terribly wrong on this, because otherwise this would be amazing if the price was down a little more.
Can someone clear this up for me? - Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@TigerClaw :S You don't HAVE to use it on your laptop.. its just that.. well you need a smaller hard drive more on a laptop than on a desktop..
(Sorry for forgetting to click reply) - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you're making a joke right? The solid state drive will save on LOADS of power.
And, also, BTW, the light in an LCD monitor (what else would you be using on the average laptop) stays on, matter the pixles are dark or light. So having all dark screens won't help not even 0.001%. - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Some of us will probably never be able to ditch the old-school platter based HDD."
Damn, I was hoping I'd be able to by 2050. Thanks for setting me straight Mr. some internet guy. - Gzero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm worried about that too, but then again hard drives also have a limited amount of writes. I wonder how they match up?
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Lets do some math. I bought a 4GB SD card for $70. Thats $17.50 a GB. scaling this up, thats $700 for the drive, but when you figure in that the price of the raw memory isnt nearly as much as the SD card, but add in the price of the extra components required in the drive, you should still end up at less than $700. The problem is that Samsung is currently the only company that can make these cheaply, and therefore, they control the price point. They sell them for less than any other flash manufacturer could sell them for, and still make a killing.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@tylerni7 - Even at 10 million writes, which is 10 times more write cycles than you can get with current commercially available flash chips, a swap file will wear the chips out in fairly short order.
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