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- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30@ toast, for me it's not a matter of the morals of killing animals. I just don't believe our current methods are sustainable in the long term. If they make this work it will reduce the amount of grain being fed to cattle, pigs, and other animals, leaving more for biofuels. I'm not sure it will ever stop completely, some people just won't want to switch to synthetic meat.
We had serious improvements in agriculture in the last century, and it stopped the mass starvation predictions cold. If we rest on our laurels then we will find ourselves facing that possibility again. It will also be easier to take this sort of tech to a colony than trying to have ''Pigs in Space'' (Sorry Miss Piggy). - noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28@danahata
Beans actually give you almost everything in meat (except for the intorelably saturated fat), and soy can also cover loads of stuff. - yongfookathome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19It's made of people! It's made of people!!
- Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21mod down
- ateoto, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23@danahata
What to you say to the people that have been vegan for 20 years or more and who some are probally in better physical and mental health than you?
Tofu is a poison? Thats why asian cultures have been eating it for centuries?
Cow's milk being good for you? Cow's milk is good for baby cows. Human milk is good for humans. You should only drink breast milk when you are a baby, after that not even baby animals continue drinking their mother's milk. They typically drink water.
Where do you think animals get their proteins? Hint, it isn't a McDonalds drive-thru.
Combining proteins is a lame thought from years ago, as a Vegan all you have to do is eat a variety of foods and you'll be perfectly healthy. In fact a whole hell of a lot healthier than those people who eat meat all the time, all that fat and cholesterol. Yeah, THATS healthy. - numb3r9, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23Vegetarianism never sounded better after reading that...
- ateoto, on 10/12/2007, -14/+28@toastgodsupreme
Yeah animals in nature don't keep their prey confined from birth in tiny cages and treat them like *****. Don't be such an ignorant carnist bastard next time. Why don't you go out and kill your own cow if you're so ***** "natural". - toastgodsupreme, on 10/12/2007, -23/+36@thejohnfloyd
It's nature dude. Animals get killed by other animals, why should we not kill them? Because it's mean? No, I'm hungy, I want a burger, I expect someone to slice up a cow, grind it up, and sell me some ground beef.
Things were killing and being killed long before man was around. - veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14So will Jews be able to eat this pork? It never had hooves.
- Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@danahata
I recommend "Vanilla Silk Soymilk"
http://www.silksoymilk.com/Products/SilkSoymilkRefrigerated.aspx
I am also lactose intolerant, and this doesn't give me any trouble at all, and tastes pretty good. Its also better for you than milk - christoscamaro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Exactly! Except now you could actually "Try" human meat without the guilt!
o_0 - TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20@ateoto
Dude... it isn't that hard to kill an animal, its not like I have to get myself in the right mind set. I live in a rural town. We hunt deer here. You take it and slit its throat. It dies. I eat it. I'm happy. Its part of life. Morals have nothing to do with me killing an animal to eat. - ateoto, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16@tamzarian
I don't hate being a human. I love being a human and I care about humans. I love being aware of the mistreatment and abuse of animals and feel great joy that Im doing what I can to minimize that cruelty. Digg isn't the place to get into veganism and why I feel it is whats right for me and others. If anyone wants to cuss me out or argue with me or just plain talk to me, I welcome it. My AIM SN is Ateoto. - TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20>>There's a lot of tree huggers on digg...
Especially for the whole pro evolution thing going on here. Survival of the fittest. I can raise the animal, I can slaughter it, I can eat. I see no problem. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10and I hate you.
Anyways, meat you eat is from animals that build muscle from moving around. Synthetic meat wont taste like that. - captjc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8When I saw the word Bioreactor the first thinkg that I thought of was a Mr. Fusion...oh well. At least it seem one step closer to a food replicator.
- Disease, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Human meat is actually better for you than any other kind of meat. Less energy is used to break down the proteins since the proteins are already similar to yours since it's human.
- phlll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9If it tastes as good as cow *and* costs less, I'm all for it. No more driving by smelly farms!
- GamingFox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7you found a paradox!
When people digg a comment, it usually mean they agreed with the comment. So when you tell them to "mod down" your comment (as long it is the only thing you said), they have to digg you up to agree with you... But if they mod you down, then that mean they disagreed with ya and wanted to mod you up... - tamzarian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Well put, ateoto. You are entitled to your own views, as I am to mine. Sorry for being a prick (even though I still may not agree with you).
- TheCasablancan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14There isn't much wrong with vegetarianism. It can be a healthy lifestyle if done properly. Several people at an office I have worked on are vegetarians an they seem to live relatively good lives. But not all of us on digg sit in an office all day and only work our fingers, or go home and do yoga or running.
I am an electrician, I walk several miles a day, lift many heavy pieces of equipment, and have to be able to lift myself up into a ceiling if need be. I need to be able to move a piece of conduit if it falls on my apprentice. I need to be able to carry around a 50lb tool bag all day.
For those of us that do physical labor as part of our jobs, we cannot afford to be vegetarians. We NEED meat. Without it, we'd wither away and die from exhaustion or malnutrition. If any of you don't believe me, I want you to continue eating the way you do, except add 3 hour of heavy weight training to your day (No, 5lb hand weights don't count). You'll be fine for a few days, yes, But I bet that if you continued this for 1 month You'd become so tired and thin that you'd get down to 5-6% body fat, and your body would start to cannibalize itself.
People who don't like the taste of meat, no worries. I don't eat Indian food the the same reason.
It's you MORAL VEGETARIANS that I have problems with. "I don't eat meat because people are mean to the animals." Are you ***** serious? How many millions (billions?) of mice do you think are killed each year because a combine is harvesting your grain for your All Natural Whole Wheat double plus good Cereal? How many animals do you think starved to death because a new Organic Food Market was put up?
If you really cared about the animals, you'd grown your own food. That is the only possible way to avoid killing/hurting them. But nay. You buy your prepackaged Soybeans, your freshly waxed Kohlrabi bulbs (Don't say that they don't. They do, the food wouldn't last for more than 4-5 days if they didn't.), you self-righteous bastards.
Don't try and lump yourselves with the people that can't eat meat, or don't like meat.
You don't eat meat because you think that other animals are on par with humans. I can't stand ***** like ""Animals get killed by other animals, why should we not kill them?" Because we have the intelligence and wisdom to know better."
They, unlike us, do not care how we feel about being eaten! They'll simply eat us, and lick themselves.
@ateoto: "Think about if there was another animal on the planet that bred humans, kept them in cages, slaughtered them and sold them in bloody packages. Would that be wrong? Would humans protest? ***** yeah we would."
No we ***** wouldn't! We'd be stuck in cages, sliced, diced, then eaten. We'd at most, run away from the people trying to kill us. And the packages they sell meat in are rarely bloody. At most, there is a bit of a drip after you've let it sit in the refridgerator for a few days.
BTW, ateoto does have a point. An animal isn't going to be healthy if it's stuck in a cage all of it's life. Animals that aren't healthy don't make healthy food. I suggest raising and killing your own animals Ideally, but going to a farmer's market where you know where the animal came from is more practical. Free range food is ideal, but only if it is ACTUALLY free range. You can get away with calling something free range if they have the ability to get out and roam. It's not necessary that they actually do.
Adios. - bluejet, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"Because we have the intelligence and wisdom to know better."
Or better yet, meat is gross. Meat from a store is grosser still. And meat from a bioreactor is just plain weird...And gross. - hodyoaten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Can you imagine what the "INGREDIENTS" label is going to say on these products? It's kind of fun to think about it.
- ephemerae, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6mmmmmm meaty meat meat.
- Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15Stopping all meat production is NOT an option. Some of us are lactose intolerant AND allergic to eggs. And fish stocks are already being depleted. Where am I going to get my protein, taurine, B12, etc? Rice and beans? Synthetic powders? Kiss my ass.
Now if someone else wants to switch to laboratory meat morsels, go ahead, knock yourself out. - jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Scientists have finally invented a non-dirty definition for "tube steak."
- tormented, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Not to mention I'm sure the stupid christian fundamentalists would be apposed to this.
- Xinareiaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I would go for this, I mean yeah its nasty if you think about it....big steaming vats of putrid meat growing unnaturaly.
but....heck if it tastes good and i dont have to see the nasty vats then woohoo ill jump for way cheaper artificial meat. - Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5lol, I said down, not up
- Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@ateoto
"What to you say to the people that have been vegan for 20 years or more and who some are probally in better physical and mental health than you?"
I say good for them. Perhaps their constitution is such that they thrive on such a diet. And if you re-read my comment, you'll see I never said veganism isn't viable, I gave my experience with it. (On the other hand it's certainly not viable for a developing child, but that's another matter)
"Tofu is a poison? Thats why asian cultures have been eating it for centuries?"
Again, re-read my comment. I said "except tofu...". Maybe you should just stop here and re-read again before continuing. You back now? Ok, let's continue.
"Cow's milk being good for you? Cow's milk is good for baby cows. Human milk is good for humans."
Wow, that has a nice ring to it. It is nonetheless completely false. Entires nomadic cultures thrived on almost nothing but- you guessed it - cow/goat/camel's milk.
"Where do you think animals get their proteins? Hint, it isn't a McDonalds drive-thru."
Yeah great. I guess since you have a four-chambered stomach and like to eat small stones to grind up the contents, you can go eat some grass. Meanwhile,I'll be over here, eating your arm.
"Combining proteins is a lame thought from years ago, as a Vegan all you have to do is eat a variety of foods and you'll be perfectly healthy. In fact a whole hell of a lot healthier than those people who eat meat all the time, all that fat and cholesterol. Yeah, THATS healthy."
You know what else is a lame thought from years ago? That fat and cholesterol are bad for you.
Call me! - MiddleOfNowhere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OK, admittedly my first knee-jerk reaction was: "That's gross."
My second: I would buy and eat this stuff.
I am a kind of 98% vegetarian; happy in a pasta/rice/fruit/vegetables/cheese world. I haven't eaten a steak in years. But I love the occasional burger, and I hate myself for it because I don't want animals to be killed where alternatives are available (The soothing "Man was supposed to eat animals" mantra is ridiculous - we can eat almost anything, that doesn't mean we have to. We also don't kill each other just because "we can" and our ancestors used to).
So synthetically produced minced meat would meet my needs (burgers, lasagna) - and, as I understand, half the world's meat consumption.
I'm afraid that even if this works (seems there are a lot of variables) and doesn't taste like sh*t, this will still take a long time to catch on. Eating habits are 80% culture.
But I imagine there will be a tipping point (maybe in 50 years or so) where the ethical and aesthetical view on this turns around by 180 degrees: "What? You eat meat from dead animals? How *disgusting*."
It could be cheap. It could be healthy (do you have any idea how much antibiotics and other substances were involved in the "production" of the burger you had today?). And as far as the taste of Frankenstein is concerned, I like that quote:
"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt," says Matheny. "And neither, for that matter, is most of the meat we eat. Cramming 10,000 chickens in a metal shed and dosing them full of antibiotics isn't natural." - datagod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here is a question:
How many 400 pound vegetarians are out there? Not many. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good point but these are clones though of some animal's cells. This tissue would be genetically identical to the original pig. That would probably make it off limits.
- veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5mmm, solyent green must not be too far away then.
- spect3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why am I suddenly wanting to play Oddworld?
- kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sounds yummy. Hope they call it "NEAT".
- ShaunJordan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This reminds me of Mr. Fusion of back to the future...No idea why.
- tormented, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It would indeed but I doubt they would ever use this for that purpose. Look at how the Genesis project was instantly scraped.
- thejohnfloyd, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12Are you a vegetarian? Either way, it wont be vegetarinsim. It is good however, if it isnt killing millions of animals a year.
- krewemaynard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@ateoto: I'll bite...
"The problem stems from the fact that humans believe that animals are on earth for our own use. Think about if there was another animal on the planet that bred humans, kept them in cages, slaughtered them and sold them in bloody packages. Would that be wrong? Would humans protest? ***** yeah we would. The animals can't protest themselves, they don't have voices or the equivalence of human intelligence, but how does that give us the right to treat them like we do?"
Did you actually read that before you clicked Submit? I mean, what if Charlize Theron showed up on my doorstep hot to trot? What if Planet of the Apes was a documentary? What if's are useless, and you acknowledge that when you point out how dumb animals are. We're the top of the food chain, dude. Deal.
"Who says its ok to eat Cow flesh and not Cat flesh? Who the hell are humans to decide what we should do with these animals."
Been to Korea? Although it's changing, in some areas it's still cool to eat dogs there. Some cultures eat insects. Indians don't eat cows because they're sacred. It's all a matter of culture and religion. And if humans shouldn't decide, who should?
"Humans are a fleck of ***** on the timeline of the earth and we are prancing around like we own the joint. To me, thats a problem."
We DO own the joint. :) Relax and enjoy. Have a burger ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Anyways, meat you eat is from animals that build muscle from moving around. Synthetic meat wont taste like that."
RTFA, "Taste is another unknown variable. Real meat is more than just cells; it has blood vessels, connective tissue, fat, etc. To get a similar arrangement of cells, lab-grown meat will have to be exercised and stretched the way a real live animal's flesh would." - Aidenag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i would rather quit eating meat than eat this.... And i would rather go hunt,shoot,skin and gut bambi and her entire family before i go veggie..
- Simply_J, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mmmmmmm. Pharm-Fresh Meat.......
- toby34a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This a fundamentally sound and good project. Being able to "farm" our own meat like we do vegetables will be a good thing... more food for everyone is always good. As for the meat itself... I'd try it, and if I liked it, I'd eat it (especially if it was cheap). If I didn't, then I wouldn't eat it again, stick to my cow, chicken, pig, and turkey products.
- KaneDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just don't trust the value brand import ones. o_O;;
- Wiggles2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Just for fun here's some basic info (sorry if you know this but you'd be surprised at how many don't):
Carnivore: ok duh
Vegetarian, also known as lacto-ovo vegetarian: dairy, eggs, and vegan stuff (see next one)
Vegan: Nothing that comes from any animal. No dairy, no eggs, just legumes (basically, beans), grains, veggies, fruit, nuts, twigs =D
Fruitarian: just fruit and nuts (which are fruit)
Oxygeniarian: Just AIR. No *****. They've got a website too.
Did I miss anything? - JCPRuckus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Cultured meat isn't natural, but neither is yogurt," says Matheny. "And neither, for that matter, is most of the meat we eat. Cramming 10,000 chickens in a metal shed and dosing them full of antibiotics isn't natural. I view cultured meat like hydroponic vegetables. The end product is the same, but the process used to make it is different. Consumers accept hydroponic vegetables. Would they accept hydroponic meat?"
Considering that this stuff will be ground up, I doubt I'll be able to tell the difference. If I can't taste the difference then why should I care? If it costs the same or less, I'd eat it. I'm sure there are better uses for all that feed grain. Someone mentioned Biofeuls... or how about... FEEDING PEOPLE! Now there's an original thought. Just because you might be to close minded to try it, doesn't mean that I should be denied the opportunity. - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2[edit] *my saracasm detector was broken*
- XTheEliminator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Eat recycled food. Good for the environment, Ok for you.
- triska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> (The soothing "Man was supposed to eat animals" mantra is ridiculous -
> we can eat almost anything, that doesn't mean we have to. We also don't kill
> each other just because "we can" and our ancestors used to).
It's not ridiculous for all of us, some of us need meat. I spent more than a decade trying to be vegetarian for the same reasons, believing that I could get along just fine without any meat, and it was a noble cause to prevent animals dying for my benefit. Years of attempting to refine my vegetarian diet to the point my health didn't suffer all came to nought, and with a failing liver and general crappy health, I reintroduced just a little meat to my diet. 100grams twice a week is about all I need, and within a month I was back to feeling how well I did when I was younger. It wasn't just a bunch of liver function tests on paper either, I felt more energetic, more alive, happier and could think straight. Realising that for me vegetarianism didn't work was proven with the speed my health turned around.
Most humans can survive well without meat. Many of those can survive well AND reproduce fine without meat. For those of us who can't, and find our health is better with a little animal in us, we don't need self hatred - just a little flesh from time to time. 10lbs of meat a year is a whole lot better than 10lbs a WEEK, and suits my body just fine even if having none at all would be better for other beings I share this planet with. -
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