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- LiterateWolf, on 10/12/2007, -28/+162It's missing so Republicans can throw a bone to Christian fundies and gain points before the November elections. And science is evil since it can provide evidence for things like evolution, global warming, effects of materialism, etc. Can't have facts, can we conservatives?
- Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -7/+72"This country is evolving into a idiot farm."
no you're wrong, god CREATED this idiot farm
sheesh...you liberals and your "evolution" - kundalini, on 10/12/2007, -21/+77This country is evolving into a idiot farm.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -11/+56Gentlemen, it is a war. A war on Science. We should get our pickaxes and shovels and dig in for a hard fight to protect the institute of learning and to seperate it from religious dogma.
- missflibbles, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38No way. It keeps my head warm.
- tomboy501, on 10/12/2007, -23/+52...perfectly put, LiterateWolf. The religious right and our republican overlords are so predictable.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29"Is it just me, or shouldn't evolution fall under biology instead of being its own major. [Honest question, I am not a bio buff]"
Saying biology is like saying math or physics. The area is huge, you have to specialize. And unlike what most people believe about evolution, it's a huge area in itself. The common, hugely oversimplified, picture of evolution that is taught in grade school is decades out of date. Most of the arguments of the creationists are dependent on this oversimplified and out of date view to make any sense at all. - dooms13, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37Don't lump all conservatives and Christians together. I am a Christian, but I believe in evolution. It is only creationists and fundamentalists who take the Bible to be a literal book of science. Evolution falls into God's plan. He made it. It doesn't negate my faith, it affirms it.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25You might have read the article before having an opinion.
26.1303 — evolutionary biology
is the one that is missing. It's supposed to be under the Heading that you pasted, but isn't. - bkmaxey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Please stop stereotyping Christians and Conservatives. I am a Christian (evangelical no less), I believe in evolution. I am also a conservative(ish) person (Libertarian). I do not follow GW Bush as if he were god, he is my president, but, I disagree with his policies all the time. Are all liberals pot smoking hippies? no. Are all Muslims terrorist? no. Are all Christians bible thumpers? no. Are all Republicans evil? no. Are all Democrats Godless? no. Are all conservatives heartless? No. See the pattern?
I prefer to judge a person based on who they are as an individual, not whether they agree or disagree with me. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Is it just me, or shouldn't evolution fall under biology instead of being its own major.
have you been to college? Not trying to belittle i just dont know.. it is called a specialised major.
And some branches of some sciences are so indepth, they need there own major.
Kinda like you can major in anciet languages or you could major in latin.. one person would known more about sanskrit than the other, when the other would probbly understand latin to a degree the first guy just couldn having a general education.
and they have done it before... when the uneducated indiviual was caught editting the conclusions of global warming sciencists, it was a big oops and noone authorised him to do that and he resigned - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27It does. It's called evolutionary biology.
- Bdog2g2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Hallowed are the ORI
- shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -14/+32And the Bush administration's anti-science crusade continues on...
- droversoul, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20This is ridiculous. We don't care if they study their interests, just let us study ours. I'm sick of paying taxes to a government that makes incredibly stupid biased decisions.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32I just loved the 'oops' explanation. Possibly true - but we are way to skeptical at this point based on all we have seen.
- becominglumberg, on 10/12/2007, -16/+31Is it just me, or shouldn't evolution fall under biology instead of being its own major. [Honest question, I am not a bio buff]
Also, the second paragraph starts with saying it was inadvertent... so why is this huge news other than it makes for a good inflammatory dig post? - Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20that was all done to balance the budget, so that the current administration could take a national surplus and turn it into the largest debt in history...
- KWhat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Only God can get you a student loan. Anyone who as actually tried and applied for one will know that it takes nothing short of a miracle to get some kind of aid from the government.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23"Don't lump all conservatives and Christians together."
While that's a fair request, the burden is also on you, unfortunately. Sane christians and conservatives need to do a lot more to distance themselves from the bunch that are currently in power. - FullMetalMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Hallowed are the Children of the Ori!
- satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19It was replaced by God science. :p
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22"And Democrats are known for listening to reason and facts? I mean, Al Gore invented the Internet by simply showing up to a funding committee."
Democrats are smart enough to actually know what Al Gore said rather that repeat a poor myth over and over and over and over. - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21Right. Just a mistake.
The same way that the Iraq war was a mistake.
The same way that the administration "never suggested" that Iraq was linked to 9/11 even though it seemed physically unable to mention one without the other.
Now they are certainly not attempting to make it look like it might be a bad, or even unavailable, move to go with studying evolution.
In other words, just a mistake that just happened to be very beneficial to someones agenda. How convenient. - JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22This is what I hear the creationists saying:
Evolution isn't possible, man was made from dirt.
Isn't this a contradiction? - fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@xelerated says 'Ummm, show me these "facts" for evolution.'
Whats the point? The facts have been stated ad naseum and your ilk continue to deny them. If you felt it was against your religion you would deny dog ***** even as it was jammed into your mouth. - micro506, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13God intelligently designed it out of existance.
- goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12democracysucks:
I read your link. The world is 6000 years old? Get real. There's undisputed evidence that HUMANS existed 500,000 years ago, and undisputed evidence that the earth goes back long long long before that. The only argument you guys have is one version or other of this "God created it all to appear older than it is." Well, believe that if you want, but that's not evidence, that's nonsense.
You need to broaden your reading list. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are also on the list of mythologies, right next to the religions and gods of ancient Greece and Rome, the Aztecs, the Norse, the Native Americans, the Inuit, the Easter Islanders, and the list goes on and on and on ... - Inverno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Actually they made us take a placement test (to give us an idea what our best suited career would be) in high school. Oddly enough 90% of my friends found out the Army was perfect for them!
I'm really happy those results were not inforced. One of those friends made millions off a patent, the rest are busy in college. They spend alot of their time being alive. - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"evolution is the work of the devil!"
Ignorance is the work of the devil ... you've been had. - axiomflash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10lumberg, the actual major is Evolution-Biology. It is a submajor of Biology, just like Graphic Design is a submajor of Art.
- katyggls, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@xelerated
"Rather than explaining billions of years of waiting, lets throw a frog in a blender, there you have whole complete DNA and cells, how long till it becomes a frog again?"
The old frog in a blender analogy? Really, they haven't come up with something better in the years since I was a christian? First of all, if you put a frog in a blender, it's STILL a frog. You say it yourself. DNA. No need to wait for it to "become a frog again". Secondly, the process of evolution does not first destroy life and then try to create it from the waste materials. You seem to have confused evolution with some sci-fi-ish form of spontaneous regeneration. I'd recommend...an evolutionary biology class. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10he's the big scary man who lives in a inappropriately hot place underground somewhere, as apposed to the old guy with white hair and a beard who lives up above the sky. really very interesting stuff. *cough* ***** freaks *cough*
- sith33, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11As the binary fellow pointed out, the article spends quite a bit of time explaining that in order for you to get the federal grant, your major has to match a major on a list. So, as of right now, if I'm an Evolutionary Biology major, I'm screwed. The article isn't wrong, you are.
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@dooms13
"Don't lump all conservatives and Christians together. I am a Christian, but I believe in evolution."
Not to be rude, but shouldn't you folks speak up more? Even the Pope has spoken for reason. And: Dalai Lama: "Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned." - Kraemahz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9*sigh*
Poor, poor Iventook. You're trying so hard to shift the blame away from your beloved party, unfortunately your "reason and facts" are all wrong.
http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/research_programs/ppt/papers/Gore412.pdf
Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, he said that in Congress he "took the initiative in creating the Internet," I.e. he wrote the legislation that facilitated the creation of what we now know today as the Internet, not that he did the networking research.
Try choosing a better straw man next time. Maybe it won't be so obvious you're tilting at a caricature. - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"What do you mean by 'your beliefs affirm and validate the things that fundamentalists do'?"
I certainly wouldn't claim that people like you affirm and validate fundamentalism. It's closer to enabling if you ask me.
Moderate believers do actually believe in most of the things that the fundamentalists believe in. This gives the fundamentalists a starting point for recruiting and whipping up public support.
Belief in anything for which there is not a thread of rational proof is by definition irrational. Fundamentalists could not be effective, without the fertilizer of a huge group of people that have a habit of abandoning rational though to follow an authority such as a church or a holy book.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@dooms13
I'm not lumping you together except where it is rational to do so, in those of your beliefs, and though patterns, that any theist shares with fundamentalists.
Riddle me this. How many percent of recruits do religious fundamentalists find amongst atheists?
You just cannot dodge that fact whether or not you find it uncomfortable. If you want to separate yourself from irrational people, don't irrationally deny reality because it is uncomfortable. - Spytap, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@ Egoist
"How do you have a leap of logic from a major being left off of an administrative form to the Iraq War?"
Because he's been paying attention...which pile of sand have you been buring your head in? - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8-"Are some political forces at work here?"
there are always some political forces at work there. - freebirdpat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9My partisan radar is going off.
I would hope those that write up the policies for federal education grants would not have to worry about appeasing politicians.
From the looks of the article, the people at the DEP(department of education) are just as nonplussed as I am.
If it takes more than 2 weeks to fix, then I would call it a problem. But it sounds like the author of the article wanted it fixed overnight. - dooms13, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@axiomflash
What do you mean by "your beliefs affirm and validate the things that fundamentalists do"? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I just don't understand your point. Also, I disagree with your second point on religious moderation. It doesn't prevent this type of criticism, and being moderate doesn't enable fundamentalism. How do you say it does? - vanmeir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8In response to mre5765 and others:
The article is accurate -- there is a missing field of study. Go the CIP list (referenced in the NYT article) here:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/cip2000/ciplist.asp?CIP2=26
and scroll down to 26.1303. You'll see that there's an entry for "evolutionary biology" in between "Marine Biology and Biological Oceanography" and "Aquatic Biology/Limnology"
Now go to the same place in the pdf linked in the article -- there's a blank space where evolutionary biology used to be.
Perhaps the omission is inadvertent, but it seems like an odd slip-up. - 10001110101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10From the article:
"One of them is 26.1303 — evolutionary biology, “the scientific study of the genetic, developmental, functional, and morphological patterns and processes, and theoretical principles; and the emergence and mutation of organisms over time.”
26.1303 is indeed missing from http://ifap.ed.gov/dpcletters/attachments/GEN0606A.pdf - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Not hard at all. It's about an agenda that requires that people do not to actually look at the facts and think for themselves.
Evolution is a poster child for those that oppose this agenda. Those that wish for people to watch listen and think for themselves rather than just stampede when someone screams "Terrorists!" "9/11!"
Discrediting evolution in any way possible works in favor of those that wish to keep people nodding inanely to anything authority says. Those that wish the people to remain puppets in order for them to increase their own power. - Neme, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Yes, because you don't deserve to be dismissed, thanks to your well-founded theories with fantastic scientific backing.
- Rince, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Well, not really, as far as I remember Charlemagne did some work to advance his people. This seems to be the opposite
- thedonnybrook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I saw an interesting comment by Bill Maher posted on Huffingtonpost postulating the current administration is waging a war on science. This would seem to make that hypothesis very real. It's sad really. Backwards fundamentalist puritan thinking like this keeps us in the scientific dark, and behind the advances in the rest of the world market. Politicians need to start thinking of the detrimental effects their policy will have on our economy from a global perspective instead of using it to aid this useless push to evangelize the world with partisan politics.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Since when is Bush intelligent?
- axiomflash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@smoked - you are an artist with words. thanks for putting it so well, much better than i could.
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