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- EGOvoruhk, on 10/12/2007, -12/+106Dying is overrated, especially dying while playing it safe all your life
I will die with a burger in one hand, and a boob in the other - msaleem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48I love 'em just as much, but I really really hate diabetes, and especially dying.
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -10/+54that'll be his own boob... a.k.a. 'bitch tit'
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41that better not be a monkey boob..
- anymir, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39But I love fries ;(
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31This just in. People die and there is no cure for it yet. And once you eliminate fast food, you are still going to die.
- dbre2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21hey! I've already got diabetes, that means i can eat all the fried foods I want!
I'm invincible...buahaha - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16On any given day, one out of four Americans opts for a quick and cheap meal at a fast-food restaurant, without giving either its speed or its thriftiness a second thought. Fast food is so ubiquitous that it now seems as American, and harmless, as apple pie. But the industry's drive for consolidation, homogenization, and speed has radically transformed America's diet, landscape, economy, and workforce, often in insidiously destructive ways.
"what really lurks between those sesame-seed buns." Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat.
Fast Food Nation: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal (by Eric Schlosser) - PayneX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10even in moderation?
- thepharmacist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"They're the same thing. Trans fats are unsaturated fats, like vegetable oils, which have been saturated to be more like animal fats. They come from different sources, yes, but on a molecular level they're the same thing."
Absolutely not. Trans fats are fatty acids which are UNSATURATED but have trans-unsaturations instead of cis-unsaturations. Beta-oxydation enzymes are unable to use them as a substrate (they use only cis-unsaturated or saturated fats), so they are stocked instead of being processed. Therefore, they contribute more to obesity and are more likely to cause cancer according to some studies. Naturally, trans fats are quite rare. They occur as a by-product of the reduction of vegetal oils.
Saturated fats have NO unsaturations and therefore are used as energy only instead of contributing to the synthesis of structural fats such as phospholipids. This is because animals (therefore humans) do not possess enzymes which are capable of creating unsaturations on saturated carbon chains. Only plants do. That explains why unsaturated fats (cis-unsaturated) come from vegetal sources.
Get an organic chemistry course, people. It's worth it. - Aooogah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Then cook them in an oil high in unsaturated fat such as canola oil or safflower oil.
- h3nry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7clearly fast food and the trans-fats they contain are bad for your health...but am i the only person who noticed that the title of this article is Why fast foods are bad, even in moderation and the article begins: "Eating a diet consisting largely of fast food..."
are we talking about a diet consisting of fast food in "moderation", or a diet consisting "largely" of fast food? these are two distinct, even disjoint types of diets - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Misleading title, reported as inaccurate. The title of the article and does not match the conclusions of the experimental evidence. The primates in the experimental group were fed a diet high in trans fat (27% of total caloric intake) for seven years. These monkeys did gain abdominal and intraperitoneal fat.
A diet high in trans fat (all the time) is bad for monkeys and (probably) bad for humans. There is nothing in TFA that indicates that the occasional Whopper or fries is going to kill you. - drgori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This sucks. My monkeys are gonna be pissed when they read this article.
- Aooogah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, trans fat is completely different from saturated fat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Did you see the news about 16 of the top 20 most polluted cities in the world being in China? No, didn't think so. America has come a long ways since the 60s and 70s. We have a way to go, but this is one are I'm happy to say we are not number one.
Nice how you dismiss the truth with the race card, just admit you're *****. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6GT, go watch Fight Club.
- aresef, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Unsaturated, not saturated.
- Omnicrola, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The problem isn't the food itself, so much as how it is packaged/prepared. From the article :
"Partially hydrogenated oils can easily be replaced by other oils during food production. Last week, fast-food giant Wendy%u2019s announced that it was cutting partially hydrogenated oils from its food in the US and Canada, while in January, food manufacturers in US were ordered to label all trans-fats on packaged goods."
So some credit to Wendys for their iniative (mmm, JBC). I personally try to avoid fast food when it's possible, not so much because of the health issues, but it's expensive if you sit down and do the math. Prepping your own meals is much better, and probably much healthier. And to all those who say "my life is to busy, I dont have the time" I say this : being constantly to busy is probably doing other even more detrimental things to your body due to the stress, and all that unsaturated fat is only adding to it.
edit : Quarks beat me to it :p - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Sufis, they aren't the same. Really, that's why they have different names.
- joelhardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4One group of monkeys had 8% trans-fats, the other had 8% mono-unsaturated fats (i.e. olive oil).
Both groups had 27% other fats and were fed only a subsistence diet (which sounds a little depressing, to be honest). They ate the same amount of total fat and calories.
The trans-fat monkeys wound up 4 times fatter! (7.2% of their body weight was fat vs. 1.8% for the other group.) Now you know why those love handles won't go away. - ScrabbyDoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7>>"All Canola Oil ("Rapeseed Oil") is partially hydrogenated."
>You, sir/m'aam, are entirely full of *****. I suggest you do a little more careful research.
Actually, he's right. The oil is still processed with high pressure and heat in order to extract it, which changes its properties. There's really no safe oil, we should all cook without using oil, food still tastes as good.
plus you should learn some manners. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Does Del Taco count as fast food? 'Cuz I love me some macho chicken burritos. I mean it's chicken, rice and beans. It should be healthy!
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I love that book. I want to read it again, but I don't know what happened to my copy.
I also love Schlosser's appearance on the Super Size Me DVD. Good stuff. - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Try eating 7 days of cheeseburgers. I figured your comment here might be a moot point.
- sufis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Tooshort: Carbs are far better than fats when trying to maintain weight. Carbohydrates have fewer calories than fats do which allow more food to be eaten while keeping the caloric intake down as well.
Low-carb is horrendous hype. You need carbs to live. - anonyjames, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I agree. To add, you can't consider 27% of a monkey's total caloric intake being trans fats "moderation".
- bacon_skoda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5fries without fat or salt? is that cardboard?
- chembro84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7This just in: A bullet to the head may shorten life expectancy.
- Quarks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Fast food isn't a type of food, it's the way it is prepared.
Most of the typical McDonald's like restaurants are unhealthy because of the wholo 'serve it fast' business plan, but the food doesn't have to be bad/unhealthy.
I guess if you made your own chicken burritos they would be healthy and nutritious, but the fast food burritos aren't just chicken, rice and beans.
I buy my own French (and Belgian) fries, those are way better then the typical fast food fries covered in salt and fat. - WrecksTXP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is fast food bad for you? Yes.
Am I going to stop eating it? No.
These 2 statements will never change. - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4sufis you're stupid.
- rideagain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3saturated fats and trans fats are different things. Read up: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2097.html
Edit: everyone beat me to it. Ok. - rideagain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The point of the article was that for the *same* caloric content, different fats will do different things to your waistline. I didn't think it was misleading at all.
- TheIncubator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"She fed one group of monkeys a diet where 8% of their daily calories came from trans-fats and another 27% came from other fats. This is comparable to people who eat a lot of fried food, says Kavanagh. A different group of monkeys was fed the same diet, but the trans-fats were substituted for mono-unsaturated fats, found in olive oil, for example."
So, in case that quote doesn't make it clear enough, even the monkeys that ate a trans-fat enhanced diet were only getting 8% of their calories from trans-fat. For a 2000 calorie diet that would be ~18 grams of trans-fat which is nothing the way many people eat processed foods. Keep in mind it's not just fast food but most processed food items that contain trans-fat. Anything that says "vegetable shortening" or explicitly "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" on the label is tainted. - EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I still wonder how bad my daily large iced coffee (from McDonalds) is
- ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3>@ Aooogah:
>All Canola Oil ("Rapeseed Oil") is partially hydrogenated.
I was skeptical about this statement too so I googled it and I found this info:
http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm
I never knew. So I guess it's Olive oil (which I always use for sautes anyways) and Safflower and Sunflower when necessary. - ShadowRelic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2if you don't use carbs they turn into fat. simple concept. there are good carbs and bad carbs ( to an extent, both have their positives). simple carbs (worse for you) are digested quickly and therefore you need to burn them off quickly or else your body will store them for later use (as fat). complex carbs take longer to digest which means that you have a lot longer time to burn them off then you do for simple carbs.
- rakslice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, and if you find an unusual claim that's copy/pasted across a large number of random alternative medicine web sites with starry tile backgrounds, it's usually also been found and analyzed by one or more of the big urban legends websites. e.g. Check out snopes.com's analysis of a canola-related e-mail: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp
- Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Trans fats and saturated fats are the same thing."
No. Trans fats are a subgroup of UNsaturated fats. Which is why you get both of them listed under nutritional info.
For example, Big Mac: http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=item&itemID=5&details=true&imageSize=large - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"The friers are the only thing in the resturants with trans-fats."
I don't know, that chick at the drive-thru window looks like she could lose a few. - smartalecks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I'm pretty sure the Chinese are the number one in pollution. Few of them are fat. Don't say sumo either. They train to be fat.
It may have something to do with pollution, but I think that it is life style. - RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2chicken is fattening from fast food places as they coat them with crap
- applyresistance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ ScrabbyDoo
Actually he's not right.... even if the canola oil was changed due to heating, it still wouldn't necessarily be hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated.
Hydrogenated oils contain trans fats and if you look at any packaging for regular canola oil, it will list Og Trans Fats, therefore it can not be hydrogenated.
Check out http://www.spectrumorganics.com/index.php?id=240 for some info on the myths of canola oil.
The key to getting healthy oils is using expeller pressed oils (no chemicals used in the processing) and cold pressed oils (no heat used as well as being expeller pressed, although not all oils can be made cold pressed) and avoiding most saturated fats (although there is a lot of evidence saying that coconut oil is rather good for you even with it's high saturated fat content). That website for Spectrum Organics has a lot of information about oils and the processes they as a company use.
David - TheIncubator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3FishyJoe:
Not to point out the obvious but that's *because they are top endurance athletes.* Try eating that diet outside of their training regimen and you will find yourself with a vastly different physique. - johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is no one single cause to being fat. Sedimentary lifestyle, poor diet, and many other factors contribute. I used to work with a running freak who did nothing but run and stuff his face with carbs, and he was skinny.
Some people have metabolic disorders, and it doesn't matter how much they try, they put on weight. - real, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Any thing in in excess is bad the key is balance.
Common sense really. - RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42001 called they want thier transfats back
- satori3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The article leaves out some info like you do actually need a very small amount of trans fats. Also this is not news, and the dangers of trans fats have been known for at least 4 years and suspected for almost a decade. Most Potato Chip companies have attempted to remove trans fats from their foods. In Canada Trans-fats were part of the impetus behind making nutritional information mandatory on the outside of the package with a list of how much Trans-fats were in each food item.
- athlonmj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i hope this article stops people from going on talk shows like Maury Povich and Jenny Jones complaining about how obese they are and how "unfair" it is that they have to be fat and consequently be terrible at life
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