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- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -21/+83Honestly, how dumb is this? Look at the Earth and pray 4 times every 24 hours. Where's the dillemma? This is just another ***** article by academics whoring for attention when they can't come up with something useful to do. I mean what if they go to a planet where a day is longer than a year? Will they only pray ever few months? This is stupid, the rule is there to remind people to pray often, it has nothing to do with Allah setting a kitchen timer and making sure you're praying before it goes off again. Why do people make such a huge deal out of non-issues?
- hankyone, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35down maybe?
- NJank, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31From burkay below. needed to be moved up to the top here to curb the moronic comments littering this thread:
"When in space you don't have to pray, because you are travelling. Travellers are not obliged to pray during their travels. But if they insist on praying during their travels, and they no idea which way Kaaba is, then they are free to worship in any direction.
So first of all, it is not a must for a muslim astronaut to pray, and if he wants to pray he is free to pray in any direction." - thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36that's their fault, they should have got an omnipresent god
- Gadren, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26It's not that Muslims pray TO the Kaaba (implying that it's an idol), but they pray TOWARDS it (implying it as a focal point for prayer). To think that the Kaaba is an object to be worshipped is to show a lack of understanding of Islam.
I'm not a Muslim, but a simple search at Wikipedia gives this answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba#The_Qibla_and_prayer - burkay, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28Muslims do not worship Kaaba, they worship towards it. No muslim ever takes Kaaba as their God or in fact anything
other than a stone building.
When in space you don't have to pray, because you are travelling. Travellers are not obliged to pray during their
travels. But if they insist on praying during their travels, and they no idea which way Kaaba is, then they are free to
worship in any direction.
So first of all, it is not a must for a muslim astronaut to pray, and if he wants to pray he is free to pray in any
direction.
Please do not comment on things that you have no idea about. Sometimes it hurts other people when you are
really stupid. So keep your ignorance to yourself. - Gadren, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23Being religiously devout is not the same as fanaticism.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -47/+65If you're in orbit, would hope that you realize that Mecca is in your past.
- Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -11/+29Blimey, I'm an atheist, and even I can see that being in orbit doesn't have much to do with one's belief in a god. It';s an interesting article, and an interesting problem for a religion whose early proponents gave us algebra, algorithms etc.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Ha. A professor of religion called "Godlas".
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I love Penn and Teller's ***** but that Bible episode was itself *****. I'm not religious, but I have given the Bible a cursory glance once or twice and even I could tell some of the claims Penn and Teller were making were utter *****. It's a great show, but they don't exactly do the "fair and balanced" thing very well, probably about as well as Fox News. Besides, Penn is one of the most outrageously atheist people in the world. There's no way he could skip on an oppurtunity to Bible bash in a forum where he could edit the other side's arguments to suit the picture he wanted to paint. I still watch the show, it's still funny as hell.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -34/+48Yeah, I think being in space trumps your religious superstitions.
- nsr81, on 10/12/2007, -14/+28What's with the religion bashing? Come on guys, if you don't have something decent to say, keep quiet.
- lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@ Quag
I think the joke lies in "Godlas" sounding like "godless".
Your joke makes it sound like you need Lego's to be an elf....or something. - bfirsh, on 02/13/2009, -7/+20RTFA SkeletaLlama
"Muslims pray five times per day, at times connected to the position of the Sun in the sky." - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18in the prayers your not actually worshipping the building as i understand.
- JangoFett, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yes, I eagerly await the day Islam solves the problem of finding a fixed point in three dimensional space.
- youssef, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Muslims don't pray to the "kaaba " or Mecca. it's just to give people a sense of unity by praying in the same direction. converging to one point. Muslims pray to One God alone. not to Kaaba. the historical value of the Kabaa is that it was built by the prophet Adam then rebuilt by prophet Abraham. so it was the first house of worship on earth. I enjoyed reading the article. good ... Digg on
- maverick_swl, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Yeah, last time I checked we owed them for 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0... cause frankly adding Roman Numerals sucks...
Religious Tolerance, anyone here who is going to speak out against someone else's religion needs to take a couple history classes. Most of our Grandparents came to the U.S. seeking religious tolerance. Tolerance, not even acceptance. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13You guys are idiots. Get your facts straight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_mathematics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science
Stop heroically dissing an entire culture based around the religion.
I'm a muslim and it's pretty offensive, Thanks. - Dinosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13We must all pray to the giant NeXT cube.
- Mousse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Can we stop with this: "Oh, but my ancestors who once believed so and so invented this and that, therefore you should respect what they believe!"
I believe you can formulate better arguments. - neoknight, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17@jgbiggs That Black Box is called the Kaabah and the religion is of Peace, that's what Islam means. Prophet Muhammad did rarely fight in the wars during that time that were instigated against him, and if he did kill it was in self defence - to save his own life as well the religion.
No Muslim in the world worships idols, get your facts straight before you express your own incompetence in learning about something you don't understand and co-relating the religion to a bunch of zealots that call themselves muslims who kill innocent beings. Islam is perfect, Muslims are humans and hence they are not. - dassouki, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13ya it forbids worshiping idols .. it's just an orientation .. can you imagine trying to lead a prayer with half a million people without some kind of order ? that way everybody knows where they're facing. In the case where you're in Iceland and you don't know where mecca is, well all you do is pray, and orient yourself wherever you feel right. if you pray and you didn't face mecca that doesn't mean your prayer is null.
http://www.wls.wels.net/conted/Science/day04/mecca.jpg - YourTechSupport, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Idunno. I'd just time it based on my home location on earth, then kneel or something at a rough vector.
Then again, I'm agnostic. - tehJR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Even an omnidirectional one would do.
- KilgoreCarp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"it is indeed a real issue for Muslims in space."
For some reason this comment makes me laugh. - orangetiki, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12must we be this literal about everything? Yes funny read, but this illustrates how far we've degressed into this quasi political correctness mumbo jombo.
- Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19I think we paid them back when we gave them flush toilets, modern medicine, and computers. We owe them nothing. There hasn't been any RECENT benefits Islam has given the world, other than intolerance, abuse of women, and religious warfare.
- szelij, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Mmh i see a lot of hate here. JGbiggs is especially behaving like a 17th century christian that parrots the Church line. See people keep saying that the current wars are not about Islam vs the west. But the way i see it, it's ***** close to being an ideological war.
Just my two cents. Here's to hoping i survive the meltdown. - lylum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Mathematicians actually have a long tradition of being some of the more religious scientists. See this book: http://www.maa.org/reviews/MathDivine.html
- Dinosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The real problem is the only food that tastes good up there is the space bacon. Looks like they are stuck eating the old lamb in a tube.
- Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6that's a very insightful comment, actually...but i'm curious--
...does it still count as traveling if you're in a geosynchronous orbit? I mean...since you're over the same spot on the earth the whole time... - InternetUser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Agreed. It really concerns me how much of an issue religion has become. It's now really quite entrenched in the (inter)national conciousness. It didn't seem this big a deal a few years ago (or maybe I just grew up and started paying more attention to the news? :)
- Dinosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Yeah, like studying the bowel movements of worms in micro-gravity. Ahhh... science!
- Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6the ideology is just to distract idiots; there's far more important roots of this 'war.'
- wheremyarm, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Maybe not, but it should be well known that Jesus did tell everyone that he came to earth "not to bring peace, but came with a sword."
- clevershark, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I'm glad that they solved all other space-travel related problems and now have time to tackle this difficult issue!
- riverside71, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Traditional muslims have a long way to go to understand their own religion correclty; pretty much like all other religions, this one got corrupted over time. Pagan beliefs crept into it like the reverance of a black stone cube etc.
Here's a link to a website of Muslims who actually took it upon themselves to begin understanding their own religion themself.
http://www.free-minds.org/
According to their understanding there is no injunction in the Qur'an to physically 'face' anywhere.. it's all mistranslations and misinterpretations involving post Qur'anic literature.. - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This isn't about political correctness. This is coming from Malaysia, an Islamic state. For them it's a matter of concern.
- Joe_rigby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10@SkeletaLlama
I understand how you may believe in the bible, but Penn made a good point - If the men who wrote the bible were guided by the hand of God, and God is infallable, how can you pick and choose the teachings you adhere to? I've been athiest for some time now, but if all the religious people came into this country, and they had the bible as a moral roadmap, then how did we get slavery?
I don't think religion is good for anybody. - Gadren, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15This is really interesting. Now, some people are going to be closeminded and dismiss that Muslims should just ignore this kind of thing, but realize that much mathematical knowledge arose from the Islamic Empire's work on determining how to pray towards Mecca from anywhere on the Earth's surface. Working out this kind of thing from space will be a good help to mathematics.
- Callahan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Gods are not portrayed as men, for Gods are not human. They do not have a race, nor do they have a gender. They are just God. However, in the Holy Bible, the pronouns used for God and his angels, are "He, Him, and His" Take note that those words are capitalized in the Bible, to show that it is not a male nor a human, that the sentence is referring to. The reason why the scripture doesn't use "she her or hers", is most likely because God created man in his own image. Now, if God created Eve(woman) in his own image, I am almost positive that female pronouns would be used to refer to God, and I sure as hell wouldnt be bitching about how that isn't politically correct.
- venusian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6from the article:
Of the 29 Apollo astronauts, 23 were Protestant and six were Catholic. - neoknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jer4202 --you're misinformed. Kill only in the times of being attacked and self defence. All the verses in the Quran were revealed to the time that the Prophet (PBUH) was in and according to the circumstances so that the people who converted to Islam would understand it. So hence when they were attacked for plainly being Muslims and the attackers were self proclaimed idol worshiperrs (this is where the infidel part comes in) so they asked what to do and they got their directions - kill the infidels. I'm not a historian but I know how to interpret the Quran - common sense.
Something interesting for everyone to read and look at http://www.1001inventions.com
I am not affiliated with that site in anyway. - Joe_rigby, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Jesus probably wouldn't condone violence, but the bible sure as hell does.
Someone get a copy of Penn&Teller's ***** episode about the bible. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13Does Allah use Sidereal time?
- Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Very sad to see the aetheists attack religion in much the same way religion once attacked the sciences. Mocking and declaring a belief stupid does not a logical agruement make. If your stance of nonbelief is so tenious that practice of the believers offends you, perhaps you should revalue your "No Holier Than Thy" system.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Stoutlimb
Typically researchers/inventors don't find it necessary to mention what religion they belong to. Good luck finding recent Atheist or Christian inventions while you're at it.
Here's a list of countries with Muslims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
Count how many you know with "religious violence and abuse of women". - potatomasher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4... and the problem with people who have problems with people who are against religion, is that what you don't realize is that we are not questioning spirituality. We are questioning religion, i.e the aspect of spirituality which ties in to a specific establishment. Not the spiritual aspect of it. Yes science and spirituality can go hand in hand. But science and religion do not by definition. Science tries to answer fundamental questions, whereas religion simply wraps things under a cloud of "divinity".
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