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- 1ncu3us, on 05/07/2009, -2/+60Maybe we're all crazy.. and the "crazy" people are actually sane
- jaymzdean, on 05/07/2009, -4/+56Question: Has the mental patient ever seen prehistoric wall art previously to this and couldn't that have something to do with the similarity?
- uptwolait, on 05/07/2009, -0/+46Probably both were tripping on peyote.
- thesmrt12004, on 05/07/2009, -1/+32mind = blown
- Pishposh30, on 05/07/2009, -0/+21"The owner of this website is blocking rorr.im using a robots.txt file."
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..................................., - skynow, on 05/07/2009, -0/+19It doesn't really matter.
It's whoever has the upper hand and decides to call the 'other' side insane - and lock it away, since they don't understand them.
That's how basically our world runs... - jmoo, on 05/07/2009, -0/+17Fine line between artistic genius and insanity.
- chieflbm, on 05/07/2009, -0/+15Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.
- mozi470, on 05/07/2009, -0/+13The connection between altered states of consciousness and cave paintings around the world is pretty fascinating. A friend of mine is studying art archeology and just lent me a couple books on the topic. Apparently, since we all share the same essential neurology, we experience similar hallucinations as we shift on the consciousness spectrum (whether that's from brain damage, psychoactive drugs, the rituals of shamanistic cultures, etc.). While the content of our memories and experiences change the content of our brains in these altered states, the patterns are similar--hence the similarity between the patterns on the wall of the asylum and the wall of the shaman's cave. This is a pretty contested theory, but here are some long, brain-wracking discussions of it in some reviews and articles of Lewis-Williams' theory:
http://www.wynja.com/arch/entoptic.html
http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p= ...
http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/001173.html - jeexbit, on 05/07/2009, -0/+11hmmm - down already? well, here is something instead:
http://mongyuma.blogspot.com/
it may or may not be related...
this is pretty wild, in any case:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_myLgTMLakCE/RmyoCYrJM2I/AA ... - 1ncu3us, on 05/07/2009, -2/+13Breakthroughs in art and science come with radical thinking.. thinking outside the box.. breaking rules.. "insane people" function on this kind of level day to day.. I think instead of shunning and locking away these fascinating minds because they're "different" and can't function like everyone else in our society.. we should be PRAISING these people for their unique thinking and should feed them as much knowledge we can and see what new ideas they can come up with.. Every human being should be nurtured to perform and work at their highest potential - with no exception
- FI5HERMAN, on 05/07/2009, -1/+11I suppose that helps pass the time away and I am glad it's them and not me!!!
- nilhilustfreder, on 05/07/2009, -2/+11Maybe...Bruce Willis was dead all along...
- Nairebis, on 05/07/2009, -0/+9Yeah, because who knows what sort of breakthroughs in particle physics might come from that drooling guy in the corner who periodically screams about the CIA invading his mind?
And that high-school dropout bum on the corner staring off into space... don't year realize he's a "fascinating mind" who could conduct the next great symphony orchestra?
Sheesh. You know, sometimes insanity is just insanity, and a bum is just a bum. The vast majority of people don't have latent genius. If that crazy guy wasn't crazy, he would just be an average joe drawing a paycheck. - FirstOne1, on 05/07/2009, -0/+8Bicameral Mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychol ... - Rain12913, on 05/07/2009, -0/+8It's not that Schizophrenia and other mental illnesses didn't exist in Indian populations, it's that the psychosocial world of Native Americans changed drastically once Europeans arrived. In pre-European times, an American Indian with Schizophrenia who had auditory and visual hallucinations would have been considered completely normal, and perhaps would have even become a shaman or tribal leader.
The spiritual and cultural belief system practiced by American Indians was quite compatible with many of the symptoms of various mental illness. When a mental disorder is not incompatible with the sociocultural world in which one lives, it does not cause distress or impaired functioning and is therefore technically not a mental disorder. This does not mean, however, that the genes for Bipolar and Schizophrenia and other highly heritable mental disorders were not present in Native American populations, because they were. If one were to methodologically look back they would find many examples of historical Native Americans who demonstrated the classic symptoms of Bipolar, Schizophrenia, Major Depressive Disorder, etc. It's just that the Native Americans didn't label these people as "crazy".
The field that focuses on this is called Psychological Anthropology, you should check it out, it's rather interesting. - temujin2012, on 05/07/2009, -0/+7http://www.flickr.com/photos/7438870@N04/132987306 ...
from the text only version (not really worth waiting for the full version...only two pictures seemed to be there...):
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Jqbe0P5vbtgJ: ... - grungefan, on 05/07/2009, -1/+8Are they implying that native Indians had the mentality of a mental patient, or that mental patients have the mentality of native Indians?
- jeexbit, on 05/07/2009, -0/+7the gods must be crazy...
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/07/2009, -0/+6Actually, I am an artist and was kind of intrigued with the paintings on cave across the world for a brief stint. and I started trying to think that way. I could see a bona fide mental patient taking it to the 'il-'logical extreme.
- Rain12913, on 05/07/2009, -0/+6That is all speculation, and likely incorrect speculation at that.
- inactive, on 05/07/2009, -0/+5Looks like this guy may be MUCH older than the orderlys believe!
- chatzimcfee, on 05/07/2009, -1/+6In Soviet Russia, crazy people put YOU in the insane asylums!
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/07/2009, -2/+7Have you ever been high as *****? Oh, you probably are right now.
- garrettg84, on 05/07/2009, -1/+6dugg for peyote =D
- MillionsLivio, on 05/07/2009, -0/+4"Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music" - George Carlin
- Buttercupbaby, on 05/07/2009, -0/+3A question that sometimes drives me hazy, am I or the others crazy.
-Albert Einstein - gilgamesh23, on 05/07/2009, -0/+3Is it weird that I now have the scratchings of a mad man as my wallpaper?
- frequentFlyer, on 05/07/2009, -0/+3Some Native American cultures held such people in high regard. They became shamans and such.
- shig, on 05/08/2009, -0/+2The cave was not a place to send "mental patients". The cave was a temporary shelter. With the amount of art on the wall, I'd say it was a well traveled spot for natives. Look at the variety of bear paws, deer, and flying squirrels. There is definitely more than 1 artist involved.
I think that these places are more like nurseries than the more incoherent scribblings of a mad man. - borschwanger, on 05/07/2009, -0/+2lol yes pictures of insane humans carved into rock strangely resemble pictures of sane humans
- IKORKYI, on 05/07/2009, -0/+2and sometimes jack rules the realm
- rearlgrant, on 05/07/2009, -2/+4From Wikipedia:
In Richard Dawkins' book The God Delusion, he writes: "It is one of those books that is either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between! Probably the former, but I'm hedging my bets."
While I agree with Dawkins on almost everything, I break with him about Julian Jaynes work. It's f'ng genius -- way ahead of it's time on the level of Leucippus talking about atomos in the 5th Century BC. - ZenMojo, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1A biocentric universal theory of quantum mechanics may prove that to be true....
- Buttercupbaby, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1A lot of wall carvings depict things like hunting, things in their every day life. I don't call that mentally challenged.
- ProfessorRiffs, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1I found my thrill.... on blueberry hill...
- rearlgrant, on 05/07/2009, -0/+112 Monkeys?
- stonebear, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1So lay off the absinthe. Or maybe not.
- choppa1890, on 05/07/2009, -1/+2One more reason they lost to the Americans!
- ViscidGobs, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1That would make sense. Marsha. Alline. Let's go.
- ViscidGobs, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1You know what the male squirrel said to the female squirrel, "You gotta be *****' nuts."
- Sepeteus, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1Holy crap. It all makes sense now.
- ViscidGobs, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1I should scalp you for that.
- SalmonGod, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1There's a movement out there among autistics claiming that they're gifted, not disordered, with plenty of evidence. Parents, teachers, & professionals still want to drug the ***** out of them.
I've seen my autistic brother on and off of medication. He's not very functional while non-medicated, but he's also more genuinely himself, a lot happier, and a very talented programmer when you can actually motivate him. - IADTatami, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1What the Foucault you talking about?
- ViscidGobs, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1I saw what you did there. You. You tricker you. Now find a pit for your pendulum.
- Aleriya, on 05/08/2009, -0/+1Part of the similarity comes from the similar media - it takes a long time to scratch something into stone and detail is impossible. With those restrictions, it's not improbable that the drawings would look somewhat similar.
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