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- cyrusuncc, on 12/01/2008, -5/+44Damn Brits and their funny way of spelling things.
- Kronich, on 12/01/2008, -4/+43Lots of leaps and variables here - from worms to humans - cancer to ageing - raising the bodies natural defences to increasing lifespan. There are loads of other studies that suggest/confirm the positive effects of antioxidants. I think I'll take my chances and keep up my multivitamin until someone proves that not only do they not work - but they're harmful.
- xero69, on 12/01/2008, -2/+21I think scientists and nutritionist jumped to conclusions a long time ago and we are just now seeing them proven wrong. The benefit doesn't lie in a single nutrient alone, it's a combination of many things found in healthy foods such as fish, fruits, veggies, whole grains, and so on. Taking a supplement or two after eating McDonalds won't prevent a damn thing. Good diet is key along with carefully chosen supplements based on your individual or special needs/environment/genetics/diet. Oh and I hear exercise helps too, do they have a pill for that yet?
- csm888, on 12/01/2008, -1/+15Yeah..those English should learn to speak English properly
- ayeroxor, on 12/01/2008, -4/+18Hello Digg.com,
I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so different.
In 2036, I live in central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa. A world war in 2015 killed nearly three billion people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is centered on the family and then the community. I cannot imagine living even a few hundred miles away from my parents.
There is no large industrial complex creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock is grown and sold locally. People spend much more time reading and talking together face to face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiply and divide in their heads.
Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time travel" shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an average day on the farm.
There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
I know this is a tad anecdotal, but you have to trust me.
Best Regards,
John Titor - Beatmiser, on 12/01/2008, -0/+11Greatest Bio Ever:
"I'm twenty-three, and i've been using digg for two years. I work as a chemist, in my freetime I play Cs:s or, more recently, Team Fortress 2. My interests are cooking, cleaning, massage therapy, and trying to find a nice, sensitive guy."
I also am willing to bet your nipples sprout Samuel Adams Lager. - LarianLeQuella, on 12/01/2008, -11/+211. We know that antioxidant supplementation has, so far, not been shown to have any health benefits (see this analysis of current research by Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch: http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/antiox ... The oxidation of molecules is an important metabolic process. It makes no sense to try to attack it with antioxidants, just because you heard “they prevent aging” or some such nonsense.
2. We know that vitamin supplementation has no plausible value for people not suffering from a deficiency. With few exceptions, almost nobody who eats most of their meals in an industrialized country is likely to have a vitamin deficiency. And if you did, you’d be symptomatic, you’d know it, and it would show up on a blood test. If that’s not the case (which it’s probably not for anyone wealthy enough to own a computer on which to read this), your body already has all the vitamins it requires, and your regular diet already delivers more than your body uses. It’s like a car with a full tank. Overfilling the gas tank, so that it spills on the ground, is not going to give your car superpowers or super speed or super endurance or “more energy”. More vitamins than your body needs constitute just one thing: Waste. Your car’s gas tank can’t be fuller than full, and your body can’t be healthier than healthy. You either have an illness, or you don’t: You can’t have a super duper lack of illness.
So, what deficiencies are you suffering from? I suppose if you want to waste your money, that's your business. - TheMachine1, on 12/01/2008, -0/+9"So, what deficiencies are you suffering from?"
Well most people in the US are deficient in magnesium, vitamin D and omega-3s. Potassium intake is too low based on high sodium consumption. Vegetarians can be deficient in B12, Iron, and taurine. - breadfred, on 12/01/2008, -2/+10Back to bathing in asses' milk...
- liquidgrey, on 12/01/2008, -0/+8helps it you know wtf you are talking about.
deficiencies are not always highly symptomatic. Also there is a spectrum of deficiency for each vitamin. The recommended daily allowances are values designed to prevent disease. They are not the optimum intakes.
while it is possible to get everything you need from a good diet alone, that diet would be quite challenging to meet, and hardly anyone does. this is why taking a supplement is a good idea. Vitamin E is a good example. It is removed from most foods because it causes spoilage. The stable form of vitamin E is only one member of the vitamin E family that is found in whole foods.
I would not stop taking supplements based on the research from this article. - Kronich, on 12/01/2008, -0/+7Bang on!
- gnews, on 12/01/2008, -1/+8If this hits the front page: Spare a thought for Loreal, Chanel, Clinique, Estée Lauder and others this Christmas.
- donramses, on 12/01/2008, -0/+71. Vitamin A, E, D are fat soluble vitamins that are not excreted as easily and must be dosed accordingly.
2. Water soluble vitamins are almost impossible to overdose on. See B12, C, etc
3. While having excess vitamins may not extend life, having any deficiency could shorten it, and will impair normal metabolic function.
4. To have a small surplus of water soluble vitamins is inexpensive insurance against even a momentary deficiency. - Aguyinachair, on 12/01/2008, -3/+10Hello Joann Maria Guare,
I realize that you might that that "Oh people care about what I'm saying", or "Oh I can save lives by telling people to eat vitamins". But as a certified normal person, let me tell you, they don't, and you can't.
I used to think the same way as you; when I started to cheat on my right hand with my left, it felt really good. I was spanking it on and off for days, until I saw homeopathic doctor and he told me I had an Viagra deficiency.
From about an hour after I took the pills, I started to feel better, and then it hit me, right in the face, the infidelity I had committed to my right hand, which I realize now was selfish, I needed to realize that I didn't have a big enough ***** for it. There were times where I'd get so involved masturbating that I couldn't come, and if I did, it landed in my dinner. Heck, one month, I even forgot the electric bill.
I told my right hand how sorry I was and cut it off, and I have to say that it's much happier now with his new partner. I'm just glad that I was able to support it, and I'm almost sure that I would have let my emotions get in the way if it wasn't for Viagra.
I know this is a tad anecdotal, but you have to trust me, take Viagra.
Sometimes the quickest way to learn is by ridicule,
Aguyinachair - yikiad, on 12/01/2008, -3/+9"Vitamin pills 'do not slow ageing'", but they do hamper spelling.
- Grayfox777, on 12/01/2008, -1/+7Vitamin pills don't slow aging, so they're useless? Some of you people need to reevaluate your logic. Just because one study found that vitamins don't slow aging doesn't mean the vitamin and mineral pills are completely useless. They can have other positive effects. At the same time though, you can't rely on vitamins alone. Exercise and diet are important as well.
- rheaume, on 12/01/2008, -1/+7Slow aging? No
Slow dying? Maybe - gllopc, on 12/01/2008, -2/+8You're a certified chemist and you believe in homeopathy? And as a scientist you want us to trust you, instead of use science to determine what is best?
Contradictions.
Vitamins supplements are unnecessary if you eat even the common American diet, and mega-dosing of vitamins has shown no positive effect, or may very well harm you.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4103
"Not only is there a lack of evidence that these products have any beneficial effects, there is well established evidence that they can be dangerous. If you take the recommended dose of Airborne to fight a cold, you're taking enough of a vitamin C overdose to put yourself at risk of kidney stones. Although the popular folk wisdom teaches that extra vitamins are simply excreted in the urine, this is largely untrue. Vitamin overdosing is called hypervitaminosis or vitamin toxicity, and can lead to serious effects. Hypervitaminosis A can lead to birth defects, liver problems, osteoporosis, skin problems, and hair loss. Hypervitaminosis D can cause deydration, vomiting, anorexia, hypercalcemia and kidney damage including kidney stones. Hypervitaminosis E can lead to blood problems including high cholesterol and can act as an anticoagulant. It should be noted that to be at risk of any of these conditions, you would need to significantly overdose over a long period of time. Brief or modest overdoses of any vitamin supplement are unlikely to cause problems. Interestingly, vitamin K is an effective treatment for many hypervitaminosis toxicity conditions.
A common criticism I receive is "Why should I believe you, when upstanding companies like Airborne, and practically everyone else in the world, tells me I should take vitamins?" Well, I hope you don't trust me. I hope that if you're truly interested, you'll ask a medical doctor. And by "doctor" I don't mean a naturopath, a health food store clerk, or anyone else who's in the business of selling you vitamin supplements. The simple fact is that nearly everyone who eats anything close to a balanced diet in any developed country is extremely unlikely to have a vitamin deficiency. Thus, there is no plausible benefit to vitamin supplementation for general health or wellness." - nowhereelse, on 12/01/2008, -0/+6You're The Onion, aren't you?
- greenlight2001, on 12/01/2008, -1/+6Apply directly to the dick?
- gordonf238, on 12/01/2008, -3/+8Surprise surprise. Supplement manufacturers think they can extract one or two ingredients from a plant, a fruit, or a vegetable, package it, and extend its shelf life, and expect it will work the same way as if it were consumed as part of the fruit as a whole. Suckers are those that buy into this whole supplement thing. A healthy and balanced diet is all you need to get everything. If you're eating fried chicken and drinking Coke, no amount of supplements will save you.
- Kronich, on 12/01/2008, -5/+10QFA in your link
"Considerable evidence now suggests that oxidants are involved in the development and clinical expression of coronary heart disease and that antioxidants may contribute to disease resistance. Consistent with this view is epidemiological evidence indicating that greater antioxidant intake is associated with lower disease risk. Although this increased antioxidant intake generally has involved increased consumption of antioxidant-rich foods, some recent observational studies have suggested the importance of levels of vitamin E intake achievable only by supplementation.
another one..
"However, the benefits of vitamin supplements for the general population remain uncertain."
another
The authors concluded that patients at high risk for AMD progression "should consider taking a supplement of antioxidants plus zinc such as that used in this study." [
Hardly conclusive evidence that antioxidants are of no value.. - maximilen, on 12/01/2008, -1/+6All I know is that a little vitamin C never hurt anybody. Personally, I take a bit more than the regular amount when I feel I'm getting sick (and of course sleep extra and drink lots of water too) and I find I almost always get better. The few times I'm like "screw it" and go on without any precautions, I got sick. Go figure... Maybe it's all in the sleep though.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -0/+5I'll keep getting my antioxidants from chocolate and beer!
- ayeroxor, on 12/01/2008, -0/+5My mom is retired from years and years of performing, among other duties, bone densitometry. She has seen people with bones so brittle it's amazing the person is still held together. Similarly, she has seen people not quite so lucky.
Sure, vitamins are anecdotal, but I take multivitamins and calcium every day. Even if you get plenty of A and C, concider your bodies other needs, like Iron and Calcium, and probable health benefits from elements such as Zinc.
I'm not suggesting one dance around a voodoo fire because it can't hurt and might help, but there is good evidence that supplementing your vitamins *AND MINERALS* can ward off a host of maladies, so therefore, it can't hurt and might help, which isn't so ridiculous when backed by study. - inactive, on 12/01/2008, -0/+5I find the best way to reduce the aging process is to be constantly moving really fast. Like 100 000 miles per second fast. Then everyone looksing at me is like "Wow, he seems to be taking 3.75 years to age a year. What a youthful swine." Of course the downside of this is I've put on a lot of weight.
- jonnyeh, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4Who needs science or evidence when you have magic beans, err, I mean magic pills, err, I mean 'supplements'?
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -0/+4...but they do turn your pee groovy colors!
- diggum85, on 12/01/2008, -0/+4I prefer the natural supplements; for example Natty Light has been proven to increase self-confidence and make women look 15 years younger.
- Benno, on 12/01/2008, -0/+4Ray Kurzweil isn't going to like this:
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/sep2005_report ... - Finalreminder, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5They may not slow aging but they certainly boost your immune system. Since I started Vits 3 years ago I'm very rarely ill and when I am it's never as severe as the other people when they contract the same 'bug'
I also take Co-Q10 which has worked brilliantly to reduce my tiredness at work.
I believe there are benefits and even if it's a placebo effect then that's still a benefit. - dbzssj44676, on 12/01/2008, -1/+5You can't slow aging in any way after your conception, but you can prolong your life.
- coustoe, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3The simplist thing that would stop the outward appearance of aging and aging related diseases such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, would simply be if people were stop doing things to damage their bodies in the first place. Like Drinking, Smoking, Being obese, Drugs, eating over a pound a sugar a day. Gee no wonder people look old and ugly these days.
- marf1025, on 12/01/2008, -1/+4If you wnat to support real research into preventing aging, then support the Mprize (www.mprize.org), they are working with labs around the world to research the biochemistry of aging (also, in the US, donations are tax deductable!). Progress is being made, so donate.
- atomic811, on 12/01/2008, -2/+5It is because the pills don't prevent ageing, it is the whole foods that contain those vitamins that does.
- NoQuarter, on 12/01/2008, -0/+3Find a difference between laboratory synthesised vitamins and those synthesised in vegetables and you'll earn a Nobel prize. Good luck!
- cptmichael101st, on 12/01/2008, -2/+5i feel like there's an extra unnecessary vowel somewhere nearby....
- BlackApple, on 12/01/2008, -1/+4WRONG. Real vitamins and real minerals help in many ways. The problem is most supplements sold as vitamins are artificial
- jonnyeh, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2The regular internet is no better. Digg users are a mirror to the internet users, which is a mirror of the general population at large. There's a reason the supplement industry is a +5 billion dollar industry (low estimate), and it's not because people are low on a certain vitamin.
- vrih, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2Actually, FTA, antioxidants do not prevent cancer at all. This is rubbish spread by nutritionists. Antioxidants theoretically could prevent cancer but in the human body it just doesn't work that way for some reason.
- RobotBuddha, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2The whole assumption that these kinds of things are based on is faulty. Someone notices a population with differences from the norm, and they attempt to isolate it by diet and come up with a possible mechanism of action. The press then jumps on it. THEN it's tested. Most of the time there's little evidence the diet does anything. More and more often we're just finding that some related groups of people have similar genetic profiles which aid them.
- uncleosbert, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2omg! food is not magic.
'In the case of nutritionism, the widely shared but unexamined assumption is that the key to understanding food is indeed the nutrient. From this basic premise flow several others. Since nutrients, as compared with foods, are invisible and therefore slightly mysterious, it falls to the scientists (and to the journalists through whom the scientists speak) to explain the hidden reality of foods to us. To enter a world in which you dine on unseen nutrients, you need lots of expert help."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutri ... - coustoe, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Who actually takes vitamins to stop aging? Most people take them to nutritionally suppliment their diets regardless of any anti aging properties.
- geoffg, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2I love how touchy feely everyone is about "organic" food... so buying expensive food from Whole Foods will save you from cancer right? If only it wasn't for those damned corporations! What a pathetic religion you all follow.
- k3rfuffl3, on 12/01/2008, -1/+3Antioxidants reduce your chances of getting cancer whether they're vitamins or plant pigments. Aging is a result of cell senescence - unwillingness of cells to divide after a certain number of divisions. Telomeres are part of the issue, but we don't know exactly what causes aging.
As for those you claiming "vitamin supplements are artificial so they don't work," you're stupid. Vitamins are vitamins and those you get in supplements are chemically and functionally identical. Getting them from plants just means you're also getting phytochemicals and fiber which also help with reducing cancer. - akula89, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2news flash: Canadian and British English have different spelling for certain words.
- tidu, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2omfg it's him in the flesh
- catvllvs, on 12/01/2008, -0/+2"I know this is a tad anecdotal, but you have to trust me."
Thar be a clue to sarcasm methinks - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2To be fair supplements are anything but magic and mysterious.
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