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- t0dd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53The ultimate solution is to just get one good bottle (like a nalgene) and just fill it up yourself.
Bottled water is a ***** hoax for the most part and it's quality is not nearly as regulated as tap water. - lava, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42How long until we find out the plastic gives you cancer?
- TheComputerMutt, on 10/12/2007, -11/+43It does not taste the same. Pepsi is much more sugary.
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34High moisture levels... would a bottle full of water do the trick?
- philmunt, on 10/12/2007, -15/+42@cryonix
yes people still drink carbonated beverages you conceited ass. - RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27what happens when you dont sell the water in 80 days?
- ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Maybe it doesn't work for carbonated beverages, or soda in particular. I don't want to taste the bottle as well as the soda, well unless the bottle tastes good, of course.
Cool video. - Krawkun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21if you take the 10 seconds to read the FAQ:
Will the bottle ever decompose on the shelf?
In order for a BIOTA bottle to degrade it must be opened, emptied and placed under the right conditions.
How does the BIOTA bottle composting process work?
BIOTA bottles need high heat, micro-organisms and high moisture levels to break down. A BIOTA PLA bottle will not degrade as rapidly in a home compost pile. When exposed to the necessary conditions, BIOTA bottles will break down into water, carbon dioxide and organic material. - TheComputerMutt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Video mirror, in case of major digging: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5290021273506043856
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+28this is actually really cool.
It make me wonder. In the collosal wars between "pepsi" and "coke" why have neither of those idiots thought of this? Since both their swill basically tastes the same, something like this could be all it takes to win major market share.
I swear, a day doesnt go by when Im not confounded by the absolute ineptitude of major corporations. - fisheyeguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12i read about biota on the goodmagazine.com blog. then i got to try my first taste of biota water two weeks ago; they had samples of it at an environmental event. it's good water- the bottle seems just like any plastic bottle, but it tastes better knowing the bottle will biodegrade. i hope the patent won't keep this technology from replacing every other plastic bottled beverage on the market.
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Banned completely? No, there are still important applications for non-degrading plastics, like long-term storage and storage of corrosive agents, not to mention structural applications. You wouldn't want your house's vinyl siding or PVC pipes to decompose.
I do think we should move to biodegradable plastics for any packaging that is one-time-use. That means stuff like single serving drink and food containers as well as a lot of retail packaging. That's all plastic that ends up in the landfill soon after you buy the product. - MMNManiac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12composting conditions are actually very specific. Even if you just left it out in the Sun, it doesn't just "melt." It actually requires an anaerobic reaction from microorganisms that cause the break down in the plastic molecular structure. For those of you who do gardening/composting, this is exactly what it is.
Also, for those wondering why they couldn't do a snapshot every hour, the above explains why. It needs to be buried, essentially, so unless they made transparent soil, it's just not happening :-p You see the every-few-days snapshots instead. - dementedcrabs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I got to pee now...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It is high time that the non-biodegradable plastics are completely banned, if this degradable plastic really works and can be commercially produced. Lesser Floods, lesser Pollution.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Because it's made from corn, can I eat it?
As a plastic product, it's not recommended that BIOTA PLA containers be consumed."
haha.. (in the FAQ section) - pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I wish it were a law that all the crap you buy from the grocery store was packaged in this stuff. And it would be nice if other disposable things would use this stuff too, if possible. It's a crime what we are doing to the Earth.
We better take care of this place, if we screw it up we're SOL. We can't just pack up and move to another planet. The biosphere keeps us alive, not grocery stores and corporations. We can not exist on a dead rock. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Corn. It's everywhere :D!
- RichMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Speaking out of pure ignorance,
Why would it be better for a bottle to break apart into nothingness when you recycle the bottle to make it into something else? - geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Off on a tangent - I was bored one day and started reading the labels on the packaging from my Marks & Spencer (UK retailer) sandwich.
Was quite shocked to find out that the "plastic" cover was made from corn starch. Presumably a similar product to the bottle packaging.
Its amazing how "plastic" it felt. - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Some people seem to missunderstand what is happening in the video. The bottle is not melting or dissolving. It is being digested by soil microorganisms.
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16> Krawkun wrote: "if you take the 10 seconds to read the FAQ:"
I read the FAQ for 10 full seconds but I didn't get to the part where it explains why the bottles don't melt on the shelf. I guess I'll just have to read faster. Damn me for not taking those Evelyn Wood Speed Reading classes! - Asin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5How would they collect these bottles for decomposition? It's obviously going to get ignored or missed if you throw it in with your regular recycling stuff.
A trip to a depot every once in a while is worth it since it's for the environment and this is a good product, but that's still a bit of a nuisance. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12@t0dd
"Bottled water is a ***** hoax for the most part"
I'm glad you said for the MOST part.
In NYC, the tap water often smells just like swimming pool water. Bottled water is always better..expecially if one takes the time to try the different bottled waters, and choses the best...either a 'pure' spring water (I no longer trust Poland Spring, after one bad incident)
or reverse-osmosis filtered water. - Dimah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oh. I was expecting it to be a photo every hour or something close to that, not every 12 days.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6that sentence is even funnier in a paranoid tone of voice ^__^
- itsmekirby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I believe the premium would be paid mostly towards the extra costs involved in construction of the materials.
You're thinking of either profits or normal return, neither of which are specific to this situation. A CEO is going to have his jet either way. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah it would be a lot cooler if it were a 20 fps video.. with each second being one day..
- LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Can I eat the container when I'm done? Cuz Mr. Wonka could.
- xBDVx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4has the paper or your milk container (etc) ever degraded while still on the shelf? No.
- WestervilleSlim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thanks for doing the mirror link, ComputerMutt. Awesome. Too bad I didn't think of it before posting!! Oh well...
I didn't hear anything in the interview with the guy from the Biota company on whether the bottle would work for soda or not. I would expect maybe not, since soda is pretty corrosive. Tasting the bottle would be gross. - sapo916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Still doesnt fix our problems of thugs who "put it down" and "keep it real" when they toss a empty bottle of whatever randomly
- Akyan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't remember which supermarket chain it is, maybe co-op, but all of their plastic carrier bags are made from bio-degradable plastic also. Which is pretty cool.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4While I appreciate the fact that good quality clean water is available on store shelves in packages that I can carry around with me I have yet to figure out why they cost more than other drinks made with water and many other ingredients that should increase the cost.
At my local convenience store, refrigerated, same size bottles:
Coca-Cola 89¢
Dasani Water (made from the same water used for Coca-Cola) $1.29
Seems the water only should be about 20¢ less not 40¢ more than the Coke! - Portfolioso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4When I was in Europe this summer, I've seen plastic forks and knives made out of corn stuff and they were really cool. Everything was normal and such, but I left it outside in my garden and it really did disappear. We need to start making more plastics out of this instead of oil (things that need to last should not be made out of this obviously).
- porter235, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Also from the FAQ (http://www.biotaspringwater.com/bottle)
Will an open bottle of BIOTA begin to decompose if left in a hot car for weeks?
No. It takes prolonged and CONSTANT exposure to high heat (120-140 °F) plus high humidity AND micro-organisms in order to begin decomposing. - mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This video is edited very badly.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3Why not 24FPS .. then it's in PAL framerate and 1/s = 1/d :-)
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4isn't pal format 30fps? ntsc is 24
edit: pal is 25fps.. ntsc is 30 (29.97) - WestervilleSlim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The audio of the interview with David Zutler from Biota is available on a podcast here (listen here link at the top: Zutler's profile at the bottom of the page):
http://www.beyondorganic.com/template/nst.php?sn=sn2&id=112305&idy=2005 - roguescout, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12AFAIK, the difference in the taste between Coke and Pepsi is that Coke uses lemon-lime as their citrus flavoring and Pepsi uses orange.
The more you know... - IAmAI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That advert does do a go job at making you feel thirsty, phew! :P
- xBDVx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My 2 cents: This is a great idea, but there is a problem with using corn for everything nowadays. Corn is renewable but the more corn we use for ethanol or plastics, the less we can use for food. Corn is vitally important to the livestock industry as well as human consumption. With more humans on the planet, we cannot afford to give up corn to industry. I'd like to know one thing: is the plastic coming from the parts we eat or is it coming from the stalk? Could it be derived from a plant that we don't eat? Don't get me wrong, I like this type of research, but corn is just a popular item. Everyone wants to make something out of corn because it's something that the general public can relate to. "Gee...plastic from corn, that means it's real cheap." No. Corn, and the land we grow it on is just as a renewable resource as coal or oil, albeit less damaging to the environment.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What I want to know is what the H*ll does the bottle disintegrate into? You guys say CO2, but that still bugs me.I mean, wouldn't it affect the taste of the contents? I'm not sure I'd buy it.
Someone asked why people buy bottled water? The answer is QUALITY. I wouldn't drink tap water unless it was my last resort. I have a reverse-osmosis system myself & don't need to buy bottled water, but for several years I bought Culligan 5-gallon jugs. - zeeneo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah what happens if a pigeon eats this? *pop*
- Mesach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hey t0dd, stop on by my house and taste the tap water.
- mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think we'd be better off if we just recycled more. Technically this is a form of recycling but odds are you're going to want to take plastic and quickly make more plastic than to have it merely dissolve slowly in soil.
- sapo916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was thinking of something along the lines of tossing it where ever.
- pmcall221, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yea but who leaves milk in a hot car?
I lived in Florida during the hurricanes. We were told not to drink tap water for days. Its hot cuz there is no power for A/C its humid cuz its Florida and there are all sorts of bugs and micro organisms cuz its a swamp. I think these bottles would fall apart under those conditions. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Motion pictures are shown at 24 (however each frame is shown twice so you kind of get 48)
PAL is 25 (takes that speed from a division of the power supply frequency in countries that use PAL, generally 240V @ 50Hz)
NTSC is 30 (actually 29.something (same thing with the power frequency, 120V @ 60Hz) -
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