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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Bah...you need to use an inefficient process to get hh2 in the first place; we would be better off driving biodiesel hybrids.
Second, you CAN NOT convert water fast enough to use as a fuel in a car. It would need a POWER SOURCE to convert water; everything is ineffiecient so you are using more energy than you are creating.
This stuff is fake. I beleive the welding, but not the car run on water. Totally unrealistic. - theRIAA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8it is powered by ELECTRICITY!!! not water. the MASSIVE AMOUTS OF ELECTRICITY are used to turn water into a fuel. this would be much less efficient than an electric car
- lamuella, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Let's get one thing straight: these cars are not being "powered" by water.
They're electrolyzing water and then burning the hydrogen. The "power" comes from whatever is used to electrolyze the water. This is hardly a new idea, and not particularly revolutionary.
The James Randi forums have a discussion on it here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=56705 - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love how people think this is free energy or something. You need to expend a LOT of energy to create this HH2 in the first place. Where do you think that energy comes from?
What we need as a lot more nuclear energy plants. That way most of our utility electricity can be made from clean nuclear, and we can still use oil for cars. - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7wow! if you watch it to the end, the news presenter announces that the U.S. military are developing a hybrid Hummer vehicle based on this technology. And the U.S. congress have invited the inventor to give them a demonstration.
DIGG++++++ - Poco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"wow! if you watch it to the end, the news presenter announces that the U.S. military are developing a hybrid Hummer vehicle based on this technology. And the U.S. congress have invited the inventor to give them a demonstration."
Yet another waste of government money. - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@hammydude
Exactly. The power it takes to separate water into hydrogen & oxygen is greater than the amount of energy gained from burning the hydrogen & oxygen in an engine. Basic chem will tell you that water itself is a byproduct of combustion.
Splitting water into hydrogen & oxygen is just a viable means of STORING energy.
Now if you had a bunch of solar collectors providing the initial energy to fuel the electrolysis in the first place, THEN you'd have a viable fuel source. (California is already doing this with their hydrogen stations, but they are few and far between. :-/ ) - fatcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i hope water prices dont go up...
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5correction to the original Digg post - its NOT HH gas - its HH0 gas - 2 hydrogen, 1 oxygen
- mikesherov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the reason why people get excited about alternative auto energy sources is that currently all cars need oil to run. People don't get excited because of the efficiency of the process, but rather at the concept that it is derived from a freely available source.
If water, however inefficient, were able to power cars, the US would not have to rely on relationships with oppresive nations. As sleathboy points out, the US would need to increase our output using better technologies like nuclear power to create HH2, but that's not a physical limitation. There is nothing stopping the US from building more nuclear plants, but at this moment, there is no way to realistically power a car except relying on oil.
Again, it's prospect of taking the control away from the countries that have "all the oil" that is exciting... not really anything else. - IcanFLY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All it is is hydrolysis.. when he is starting the blowtorch, he is just starting up an electric power supply. The guy is just being completely misleading and aparently FOX is falling for it.
- wsewell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Um, electrolysis does _not_ "require" Platinum. It _is_ frequently used as the material for the electrodes because it is relatively inert and does not react with the water/hydrogen/oxygen during the process. You can do electrolysis in your sink with a battery and a couple of wires.
- ogrerocks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I hope he doesn't sell it to an auto company. They'll just throw in their closet of great inventions that don't get out.
- trump, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3not to mention that electrolysis (the process used to separate the hydrogen and oxygen) requires Platinum...which has skyrocketed in price as of late
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3thanks for the link to that discussion - some very interesting stuff on that forum. there's a lot of scepticism about this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Basically H20.
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3here's the video , non embedded on YouTube. it was posted up around a week ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb8wIqECwGE&search=car%20water - stan205, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11Reported duplicate:
http://digg.com/technology/Water_Fuel_-_HHO_Gas - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1has anyone else heard of a company doing this? I've just heard of HH2 gas in this story never heard of it b4
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3i'm currently tracking down corroborating links on this story to see if its credible or not.
the implications are enormous , if the science works out and it isnt a fake. - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5lets just hope they don't classify the technology and the public gets *****
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I wouldn't be suprised for a second...
- jorgefeucht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dude, in the US, bottled water is more expensive than gasoline.
- wsewell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Skepticism is appropriate here. But the fact that he has a patent implies that he has devised some (more efficient?) method of electrolyzing the water, unless the patent just covers using the HHO in a torch. Mind you I was too lazy to follow any of the alternate links people have posted, so perhaps the extent of his method was covered already :P
- stan205, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This has been on the front page many many times, one example:
http://digg.com/technology/Water_Fuel_-_HHO_Gas - bunnyman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Didn't they already report on this in _That 70's Show_ ?
*toke*
It runs on WATER, man! - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm sure there would be... I'm pretty skeptic as well... the one thing that suprised me is that CNN and Fox actually aired this... they usually don't put things like this on the air...
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2greenland iceberg gold rush?
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2from reading is that Randi forum - is this news report from 2003? or sooner?
is this just repost of an old 2003 news report that somebody has uploaded to YouTube? - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5to be honest - i think, post 911 , that the "men in grey suits", for want of a better description, have just said to Bush & Cheney the bloody obvious - why are we funding terrorism via our addiction to oil?
our oil money goes to Saudi Arabia - which then allows Saudi to impose the most brutal Wahabbi Islamism in its own country, and indoctrinate an entire generation of young men in hatred of the West. Some of whom are now in Iraq , blowing up U.S. soldiers - not to mention the Saudi hijackers in 911. And not to mention the funding of terrorism worldwide.
And then you have the Iranians - who are propped up with - guess what? - oil money.
it doesnt make any sense. and i think people , including Bush himself, are waking up to that cold hard fact. thats my take on it. things will change in the next few years.
the oil running out and high oil prices is also pushing this change. the terrorism and Iranian nuke aspect is just speeding things along.
lets face it - we were allies of Stalin in WW2 werent we. Time moves on , things change, allies change, people change their minds. - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I agreee... I've seen many links to this video but no credible story behind it... I'm keeping my fingers crossed as well
- AzWiseguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To much corrupting oil money for this to ever see the light of day.
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I know its pretty crazy... usually if the military gets involved it shows the tech is promissing...
- Phophis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Having a patent DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. You would be surprised at the amount of ***** that is granted a patent.
- stomicron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Actually, the theory is that it contains monoatomic hydrogen and oxygen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown%27s_Gas - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2well for starters - without oil money, those dictatorship in the MIddle East might actually turn democratic. Oil money is propping them up. I really do think this is what Bush really meant by his "oil addiction" state of the Union address. Its a crazy situation we are in. And it has to end - before we find ourselves in conflict with India and China over the last scraps of oil.
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2btw I heard of numerous stories that people have invented engines that run at 80% efficiency that have been silenced by auto companies... the current engine only runs at around 25%... sometimes I really hate the world we live in
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3this could be a great source of energy for space exploration - all you need is water - and you get water for drinking and growing plants, o2 for breathing, and hh0 for fuel. even if the tech turns out to be impratical for everyday use - it might well be of tremendous use to a lunar base.
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1no idea... but I did see it on cnn website just this past week... if it is then this really sux...
- turbo2ltr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0To all you naysayers out there, all I have to say is: have you read and understood the patent?
I'm not saying this is definitely real, especially since I can't seem to find the patent(s) that he claimed to have filed. But STFU until you know exactly how it works and only then can you prove exactly how it won't work. There aren't enough details in that little clip to know what he's doing and that it's "impossible". Electrolysis seperates water into oxygen and hydrogen. I don't see anything in that video that says it's burning straight hydrogen, so whatever he's doing isn't just electrolysis.
http://hytechapps.com/ - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2somehow, i dont think its in the U.S. military's interests to keep that oil money flowing to certain regimes that are hostile to the U.S. and the West in general.
and judging by President Bush's recent statement that we have to end "oil addiction", i would hazard a guess that classification is not on the cards. - blahblah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The way our government is handling foreign policy, when the oil wars come around it will be the US vs the rest of the world.
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2true they're not but in the video they say they can be fully powered by water... currently the test one is running part water part normal fuel
- kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2the news report says that he IS working with an auto company.
He has the patent on it. - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I hope you're right... I really do... just think how much we could advance alternative energy if the goverment really put some effort into it... think how much 1 billion dollars could produce in one year and how many billions we waste in iraq each month... its very hard to image those numbers and what they could do if put to good use
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1small discussions starting...
http://www.teoti.com/t5/showthread.php?threadid=28678
http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/~peoplesr/forums/showthread.php?t=73948 - Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1txs, :) gotta love youtube makes it so easy to share info
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1def... I think if there is a next big conflict... especially over iran I really think that china and russia might join the other side... at that point we have ww3
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1supposedly they are working with one... not sure which one but yeah that would be a disaster...
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