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Time Machine: CERN's Large Hadron Collider [w/PICS]
darkroastedblend.com — Never heard of "traversable wormholes?" Well, soon you might start hearing about them, as the world's most powerful particle accelerator becomes functional this spring - unleashing forces, capable of distorting not only space (just like gravity distorts space around Earth), but also TIME
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- queenmoweeny, on 03/20/2008, -3/+11This is so fascinating~there was almost a super collider built near my hometown
- Wakuko, on 03/20/2008, -11/+4Oh god I hope they don't ***** up this beautiful dimension we live in
- subterfuge, on 03/21/2008, -6/+1how is your comment related to queenmoweeny's?
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+18I'm sure the Universe is sturdy enough that a bunch of monkeys wearing clothes can't ***** it up, even with a "super collider".
If this Universe does come to an end because of some machine the monkeys made, then too bad, natural selection will come into effect and Im sure the surviving Universes will be super collider resistant.- tkotam, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1"CERN scientists know what they talk about, and we can trust them - after all, last time they needed something for sharing collider data, they invented the World Wide Web! According to some sources, even now one THIRD of ALL internet traffic flows thru this facility in CERN's computing center (one of the three main hubs for world wide web):"
*****, man... The next time the internet is down, I bet my ass that a Black Hole has been created.. WE ARE GOING TO DIE.............!!!!! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR......
- tkotam, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1"CERN scientists know what they talk about, and we can trust them - after all, last time they needed something for sharing collider data, they invented the World Wide Web! According to some sources, even now one THIRD of ALL internet traffic flows thru this facility in CERN's computing center (one of the three main hubs for world wide web):"
- gyrfalcon, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1"....unleashing forces, capable of distorting not only space (just like gravity distorts space around Earth), but also TIME"
Blah, blah, blah... more speculative *****.- Scynet, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5Actually, it's not speculative, it's overly sensational. Simple moving mass distorts space and time. You and I distort space and time when we run or jump, and the LHC can certainly do it too. Just don't romanticize the word to mean something bizarre and unimaginable, because it doesn't.
- RealmDown, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Now if we could only apply your common sense to politics and CNN, THAT would be spectacular.
- Scynet, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5Actually, it's not speculative, it's overly sensational. Simple moving mass distorts space and time. You and I distort space and time when we run or jump, and the LHC can certainly do it too. Just don't romanticize the word to mean something bizarre and unimaginable, because it doesn't.
- PaulOwen, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Hot physics chick
http://lh4.google.ca/abramsv/R-NHP_XRcEI/AAAAAAAAM ... - cygnus2112, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Good morning, and welcome to the Black Mesa Transit System. This automated train is provided for the security and convenience of the Black Mesa Research Facility personnel. The time is eight-forty seven A.M... Current outside temperature is ninety three degrees with an estimated high of one hundred and five. The Black Mesa compound is maintained at a pleasant sixty-eight degrees at all times. This train is inbound from Level Three dormitories to Sector C Test Labs and Control Facilities. If your intended destination is a high security area beyond Sector C, you will need to return to the Central Transit hub in Area Nine and board a high security train. If you have not yet submitted your identity to the retinal clearance system, you must report to Black Mesa personel for processing before you will be permitted into the high security branch of the transit system. Due to the high toxicity of material routinely handled in the Black Mesa compound, no smoking, eating, or drinking are permitted within the Black Mesa Transit System. Please keep you limbs inside the train at all times. Do not attempt to open the doors until the train has come to a complete halt at the station platform. In the event of an emergency, passengers are to remain seated and await further instruction. If it is necessary to exit the train, disabled personnel should be evacuated first. Please, stay away from electrified rails, and proceed to an emergency station until assistance arrives. A reminder that the Black Mesa Hazard Course decathlon will commence this evening at 1900 hours in the Level Three facility. The semi-finals for high security personnel will be announced in a separate secure access transmission. Remember, more lives than your own may depend on your fitness. Do you have a friend or relative who make a valuable addition to the Black Mesa team? Immediate openings are available in the areas of "Materials Handling" and "Low Clearance Security." Please contact Black Mesa personnel for further information. If you have an associate with a background in the areas of "Theoretical Physics," "Biotechnology," or other high-tech disciplines, please contact our civilian recruitment division. The Black Mesa Research Facility is an equal-opportunity employer. A reminder to all Black Mesa personnel: Regular radiation and biohazard screenings are a requirement of continued employment in the Black Mesa Research Facility. Missing a scheduled urinalisys or radiation check-up is grounds for immediate termination. If you feel you have been exposed to radioactive or other hazardous materials in the course of your duties, contact your radiation safety officer immediately. Work safe, work smart. Your future depends on it. Now arriving at Sector C Test Labs and Control Facilities. Please stand back from the automated door and wait for the security officer to verify your identity. Before exiting the train, be sure to check your area for personal belongings. Thank you, and have a very safe, and productive day.
- jemka, on 03/21/2008, -7/+1Cool until they rip space-time and create a black hole. Now you and your sisters swing set are *****.
- greenlight2001, on 03/21/2008, -5/+2sister's
is *****- staeiou, on 03/21/2008, -5/+5Who polices the grammar police?
"You and you sister's swing set" is a plural subject and would therefore use the verb phrase "are *****."- greenlight2001, on 03/21/2008, -4/+3wrong.
- Scynet, on 03/21/2008, -6/+4Correct.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/358967
"Phrases such as "together with", "as well as", and "along with" are not the same as "and". The phrase introduced by as well as or along with will modify the earlier word (mayor in this case), but it does not compound the subjects (as the word and would do).
1. The mayor *as well as* his brothers *is* going to prison.
2. The mayor *and* his brothers *are* going to jail." - dezmo, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1the verb in jemka's sentence is referring to the swing set, singular
- dezmo, on 03/21/2008, -3/+2nvm, i was wrong. it is referring to both 'you' and the swing set so it is plural. 'are' is correct.
- jemka, on 03/21/2008, -4/+3Honestly? It's a joke. It works better if you just laugh. You'll live longer.
- dopplerdog, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Yes, but duty calls. Someone was wrong on the internet.
- staeiou, on 03/21/2008, -5/+5Who polices the grammar police?
- greenlight2001, on 03/21/2008, -5/+2sister's
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2There's a synchotron near me - that's pretty darn awesome.
- groverblue, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1it's only awesome if you get to visit it. do you?
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Sometimes, I go past it every day and it's a beautiful and awe-inspiring machine.
- jesuswuzanalien, on 03/21/2008, -9/+4The only fascinating thing here is how you even figured out how to open a web browser.
- themastersb, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I think I like Large Hardon Colliders better.
- whodathunk, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1If that machine works as advertized, it's still possible that it will turn out that they actually did.
- spuz, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0So tell us, how the hell do you pronounce Waxahachie?
The Superconducting Super Collider was under construction near Waxahachie, Texas in 1993 but was cancelled which is a shame as it was originally designed to accelerate protons to 20TeV compared to the LHC's 7TeV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super ...- bitbytebit, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1wocks-uh-hah-chee
- Wakuko, on 03/20/2008, -11/+4Oh god I hope they don't ***** up this beautiful dimension we live in
- lekahe, on 03/20/2008, -3/+9Good article! I have visited Cern and I am waiting anxiously for their results.
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5I haven't visited CERN and I am waiting anxiously for their results.
- jmp478, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2I haven't visited CERN and I'm not waiting anxiously for their results.
- JcbAzPx, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2I haven't even heard of CERN so I'll just wait patiently for their results.
- jmp478, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2I haven't visited CERN and I'm not waiting anxiously for their results.
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -0/+7But, will it play Crysis at very high settings?
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5I haven't visited CERN and I am waiting anxiously for their results.
- drgkstep, on 03/20/2008, -2/+73Is it just me or does this whole facility look like a first person shooter. Is this thing gonna open a portal to hell and let all the demons out? Where are the medkits kept? What door opens with the green key card?
- sockpuppets, on 03/21/2008, -1/+10http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/bad-respa ...
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Id hit the girl with the laptop in theirs hands at speed of light
- unicronband, on 03/20/2008, -4/+120Possible dangers:
1) Creation of a black hole that could swallow us all
2) A quantum leap, projecting us all into the past
3) The unraveling of the Space-Time continuum as we know it
4) A meltdown causing temperatures "more than 1000,000 times hotter than the sun's core"
5) HEADCRABS!!!- EffYoo, on 03/20/2008, -1/+47If UFO's and aliens are real, I'd like to think that they'd let us know if we were about about to accidentally destroy ourselves and our solar system.
- IphtashuFitz, on 03/21/2008, -0/+27Either that or there will be a sudden surge in unexplained sightings as the UFO's start staking out viewing spots in orbit around the Earth so they can sit back with buckets of popcorn and watch the fireworks as we blow ourselves into oblivion.
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Dr. Who did it, except it was the end of the Earth.
Douglas Adams did it, with a restaurant at the end of the Universe.
Perhaps if we see a huge orbiting restaurant appear just before they turn the thing on they might want to think twice.
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Dr. Who did it, except it was the end of the Earth.
- subterfuge, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5if this thing has been 20 years in the making, their planet would have to be fewer than 10 light years away for an earth-orbit probe to be able to communicate what we're doing to them and for them to send their response back here in time. (i'm assuming that they wouldnt send a biological being through space for at least 10 years, and that they are still limited by the speed of light)
- HeyLew, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1apparently you haven't heard of super luminal travel!
- EffYoo, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Seems pretty stupid to make assumptions of the limitations of hypothetical aliens. There's the possibility that intelligent life has existed for hundreds of millions of years, why assume that they failed to overcome the the obstacles that our ten thousand year old species cannot?
- scabbers, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1I already wrote a short story about the LHC destroying the earth and aliens standing by and watching for the lulz.
- iXneonXi, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Temporal Prime Directive...
- JonestownTea, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Perhaps the moment will just be structured in that way?
- IphtashuFitz, on 03/21/2008, -0/+27Either that or there will be a sudden surge in unexplained sightings as the UFO's start staking out viewing spots in orbit around the Earth so they can sit back with buckets of popcorn and watch the fireworks as we blow ourselves into oblivion.
- Typhoon2009, on 03/20/2008, -0/+20God damn resonance cascades...
- grimward, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Eheheh, was thinking the exact same thing here, I just hope most the scientists over there have been playing Half-life :P
- TheZorch, on 03/21/2008, -1/+12Time to start selling Headcrab Insurance.
- Deveak, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Time to start selling crowbars. HL2 ftw!
- Mahoney07, on 03/21/2008, -1/+4Umm if you knew headcrabs were about to appear you would want to NOT start selling headcrab insurance.
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3The LHC team, sent back to put things right that once went wrong.
- subterfuge, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3in regards to #5, we should check to see who the "benefactor" is
- SlyMm, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5None of those things could happen. Remember; they're smarter than you and I.. Digg me down, truth hurts
- 1timeuser, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Yeah thats what THEY though... and now they have head crabs.
- HyperJack, on 03/21/2008, -0/+17Dont worry:
sv-cheats 1
god- BlackCow, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Syntax nazi:
That's sv_cheats 1 - MarkTaiwan, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1where is the fun in that?
notarget
impulse 101
- BlackCow, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Syntax nazi:
- VelvetoneFusion, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Try to imagine all life, as you know it, stopping instantaneously, and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
- Identity4, on 03/21/2008, -0/+111). It would evaporate in fractions of a second due to hawking radiation...
2). Cant go back in time without either a DeLorean or a modified phone booth.. LHC is neither.
3). Meh...ive seen worse... Its called Paris Hilton...
4). At least it wot be a sustaining chain reaction.... *gulp* i hope...
5). Grab your crowbars kids!... hehehehe- MarkTaiwan, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1"Cant go back in time without either a DeLorean or a modified phone booth.."
What about a police box?
- MarkTaiwan, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1"Cant go back in time without either a DeLorean or a modified phone booth.."
- Harbinger67, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I see nothing wrong with any of those scenarios. Even the "worst" would be damn cool to see. (and not a bad way to die)
- 1timeuser, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Headcrabs? That's a terrible way to die!
- shyner, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1If we were to have gone back in time, wouldn't we know it? At least, in the way I see time travel, we would.
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Also crab people.
- rodbotic, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1don't even joke about headcrabs.
I guess now I will need to buy a crowbar for the day they turn that machine on.- stuffradio, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1You can have mine :)
- Skooma714, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Well, it can't destroy space-time as by this time another civilisation would have probably already done it already.
- Tetraca, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2You also forgot about the possibility of a strangelet, dissolving the entire planet and its inhabitants into a bunch of strange matter.
- lennybird, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2It makes me feel all fuzzy inside knowing that my fellow diggers are half-life advocates like myself, and get all the nerdy jokes linked to it.
- iamausername, on 03/23/2008, -0/+0it may seem ironic that in search of how black holes are created and whats inside, we create one, killing ourselves, to leave another black hole for another species to wonder....
- EffYoo, on 03/20/2008, -1/+47If UFO's and aliens are real, I'd like to think that they'd let us know if we were about about to accidentally destroy ourselves and our solar system.
- shifty2, on 03/20/2008, -22/+4Am i the only one who read that as "CERN Large Hardon Collider"?
- borez, on 03/20/2008, -2/+14Yes
- HeyLew, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1nah i loled
- roflomg, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0Damn dyslexia! I read it like that too.
- vervalsing, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Nope. I did too. I call it "sexlexia".
- wisam, on 03/20/2008, -12/+1I thought Hardon was a creation of Dan Brown's imagination. Everyday I admire how accurate some of the real life references in his novel "Angels and Demons" were.
- Molnies, on 03/20/2008, -0/+7You can always check out CERN's own page about what's fact and fiction in Angels and Demons @ http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Spotlight/Spot ...
- pandikukka, on 03/21/2008, -1/+0*Hadron...not Hardon..
and what do you mean Hardon was creation of Dan Brown's imagination.- wisam, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1It means that I thought Hadron was fictional. Not much of comprehension skills for a spelling Nazi?
- gkwillie, on 03/20/2008, -2/+25Is anybody else holding a LHC party when this thing is finally operational? Or am I even too nerdy for Digg?
- Typhoon2009, on 03/20/2008, -0/+2I don't know, I might build a bunker and say "SWEET JESUS!" if the LHC creates a black hole
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Bunkers can deflect black holes.
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1You forget the "?" sign.
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1No.
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1You forget the "?" sign.
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Bunkers can deflect black holes.
- ijacker, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6am i invited?
- gkwillie, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Only if you bring the Higgs Boson.
- lovestospooge, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I feel dirty for laughing. I need to get out more...
- gkwillie, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Only if you bring the Higgs Boson.
- rentmitchum, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2I'm going to be excited. Maybe read books dealing with astrophysics or quantum particles.. Maybe I'll drink a coke and eat a chicken sandwich.
- Typhoon2009, on 03/20/2008, -0/+2I don't know, I might build a bunker and say "SWEET JESUS!" if the LHC creates a black hole
- borez, on 03/20/2008, -4/+6242
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+8http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=the+answer+to+ ...
- stupidverizon, on 03/20/2008, -1/+47Unforeseen consequences.
- Sornos, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Prepare for them.
- Neem, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Expect them
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -2/+1I see what you did here
- MaxMWood, on 03/20/2008, -1/+11A couple of my photos from my trip to CERN :]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxwood/sets/72157603 ...- dignews, on 03/20/2008, -0/+6woah dude, you got some nice pics there
- x0rcist, on 03/21/2008, -5/+2The fact that some random dude can walk into the world's first time machine/black hole doom machine is a little... unsettling.
- veeshy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6you went all the way to CERN and took 6 pictures? :[
- hokkos, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3***** was SO cash
- Hamburglar87, on 03/20/2008, -3/+10So I says, "Super collider? I just met her!" And then they built the super collider. Thank you, you've been a great audience.
- Dimalinch, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3I dugg you. Futurama ftw
- postitnote, on 03/20/2008, -1/+27I'm from the future, and this is not what the first time machine looks like.
- Scynet, on 03/21/2008, -0/+14That's because I, too, am from the future. I went back in time farther than you, and gave them blueprints for a different type of time machine.
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2It is more of a police box shape?
- manitoba98xp, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Does it, by chance, look like a DeLorean, and travel at 88 miles per hour? (one point twenty-one jiggawatts!)
- imightbewrong, on 03/20/2008, -0/+6basically electrons will be sped up to near light speed and then smashed into each other... and hopefully we'll see other little particles come out of the collision
- sprash, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Well, actually no. Protons will be smashed together. Protons consist of partons called quarks and those quarks will interact with each other.
It would be great if we could do this with electrons because electrons are (as far as we know) point-shaped and that would lead to a much higher accuracy. Quarks on the other hands are moving around inside the proton and it is not possible to determine which energy they have in the moment of impact. Because of that you have capture much more events to get enough statistics to find out which the average energy of those partons actually was.
The reason why you cannot use electrons in this experiment is that because of their low weight (1/1000 of a proton). Electrons would loose a lot energy because of radiation which occurs when they are forced to stay in the circular path.
- sprash, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Well, actually no. Protons will be smashed together. Protons consist of partons called quarks and those quarks will interact with each other.
- suckaPU, on 03/20/2008, -17/+6this is the biggest traversable wormhole i've ever seen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0- briantek, on 03/21/2008, -1/+0DAMNIT
- DarkDx, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3RHA0 is uuUI's cousin -_-Everybody knows it.
- altosaxon, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1http://xkcd.com/396/
...you just wait.
- OffPiste, on 03/20/2008, -10/+1Now to get the French and the German physicists to shower daily and experiment with that enigma of underarm deodorant...... Solving the great mysteries of our time.
- pentelicon, on 03/22/2008, -0/+1jealous racist bigot much?
- rallythanks, on 03/20/2008, -8/+3I actually would be very interested in the proof that there is no chance that it will create a black hole.
This should be easy, given our vast knowledge of black holes, right?- staeiou, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Here you go:
http://doc.cern.ch/yellowrep/2003/2003-001/p1.pdf- smurfsahoy, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1Does it not concern you that they started building this in the 80s, but that report on how it isn't dangerous was written in 2002? "Oh whoops, we forgot to do that whole safety thing for the last 15 years. Johnson, go whip something up!"
- diggrnumber1, on 03/21/2008, -1/+0i don't think that that proves that it won't create a black hole. a professor in one of my classes said that there is a chance that they could create a black hole for a split second, but that it would disappear almost instantly. black holes need to reach a certain critical mass in order to become independently viable.
- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1No that;s not the reason. Black Holes "evaporate" due to Hawking Radiation (we think!). The surface area/volume ration for such a small black hole will mean that it will exists for nanoseconds before it gets evaporated away.
This is all theory btw. But so is the theory that they will be created in the first place.
- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1No that;s not the reason. Black Holes "evaporate" due to Hawking Radiation (we think!). The surface area/volume ration for such a small black hole will mean that it will exists for nanoseconds before it gets evaporated away.
- staeiou, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Here you go:
- rallythanks, on 03/20/2008, -7/+2I actually would be very interested in the proof that there is no chance that it will create a black hole.
This should be easy, given our vast knowledge of black holes, right? - x0rcist, on 03/20/2008, -1/+12I dunno what the ***** it does but those are some awesome pictures.
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+30It goes bing. It's the machine that goes bing. The scientist really spent all the billions on cocaine and whores. The whole machine actually is a huge speaker system that makes a binging sound. Of course, when the press isn't there it pumps out some serious jams as they party, drink, do drugs and bang whores.
- x0rcist, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Now I understand...
- itsgotyou, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5I knew I should've taken up rocket science instead of brain surgery.
- Tetraca, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Damned Scientists rocking out with their Hawk out.
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Its true!!
Look how Stephen Hawking is now!
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -0/+30It goes bing. It's the machine that goes bing. The scientist really spent all the billions on cocaine and whores. The whole machine actually is a huge speaker system that makes a binging sound. Of course, when the press isn't there it pumps out some serious jams as they party, drink, do drugs and bang whores.
- DaviDTC, on 03/20/2008, -0/+16I personally cant wait until they start doing stuff there and we hear about it. There is a lot of hype of what can and might happen and i hope it lives up to it and goes beyond.
- dopplerdog, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I dunno. Consider that the great breakthroughs in physics were due to some guy thinking about the commonplace. Einstein, for instance, had the seed of relativity when he was a teen, thinking about what would happen to your perception of the e-m field as you approach the speed of light. He didn't need an experiment for that - the Michelson-Moreley experiment came much later, and merely confirmed Einstein's ideas.
Similar with Newton, thinking about what holds the moon in orbit. Or Planck, thinking about why black bodies don't radiate an infinite amount of energy.
In this instance, there is the hope that the Higgs Boson will be found - but that will merely confirm an existing theory. Beyond that, there is speculation about black holes, tunnels in spacetime, etc, etc, but most of that is simply wishful thinking. The one big hope is that it will show something unusual that we've never seen before. Then again, it may not.
IMO, the LHC is a consequence of the stagnation fundamental physics has seen since the 70s, when the standard model was developed. Nothing much has happened to alter our fundamental view of the universe since then. There has been progress in cosmology, but nothing in fundamental physics beyond GR and QFT. There's String Theory, but that's all hypothetical. Since there has been a state of stagnation in fundamental physics, the LHC is a bold attempt to get some data to spur on theory - but what if nothing is found that can't be explained with GR and QFT?- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Einstein does not equal the whole of scientific endeavor. Science is based on facts, in fact, some philosophers dating back to Ionian times believe science is based on studying the extremes. This is what LHC does. Is it as far from stagnation as you can get. Newton needed Kepler who needed Tycho. Planck needed the experiments to show that we don't get a ultraviolet catastrophe.
In the end you can not explain the universe without observing it, else we wouldn't have nearly every scientific revolution happen due to increases in measuring.- dopplerdog, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I agree that science is based on experiment - that much is obvious. My point is that the LHC is primarily a result of the stagnation of fundamental physics, specifically in the realm of particle physics, that we've seen since the 70s. And right now, we HOPE that the LHC will show something amazing, but maybe it won't (but there's only one way to find out, which is to suck-and-see),
Name a revolutionary new idea in fundamental physics we've had since the 70s. I mean fundamental - I agree that there have been advances in other fields, such as cosmology. There have been no revolutions since then. See Lee Smolin's "The Trouble with Physics" regarding the current crisis in particle physics. String Theory doesn't count: it's still speculation.- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I think we see the same thing but interpret it differently. I finb stagnation is a very negative word. I don't think you can say it without equating that the current bunch of guys aren't very smart. I mean wouldn't QED be up there: the most accurate scientific theory ever?
Oh we can all agree that string theory is all masturbation - but even I can't just dismiss it. Negative results are as important as positive ones. Pushing theoretical boundaries is important. Training the young so they can understand wild mathematical theories is a nice end to itself.
LHC is a result that the current theories have no room to grow, they explain things as well as it is observed. Sometimes a few parts per million difference in theory and observation is enough to create a revolution (Mercury's orbit for instance).
I think I know what you're saying and I won't disprove it. I just can't call the creation of LHC as one of stagnation. It was built out of necessity. A necessity to understand more fully how the universe works. It's so much stagnation, as how everyone else before hand had it easy: "Yeah, let's just see how light bends" "Yeah, let's measure collisions with this boiler-plate collider." If you want to understand how gravity and QM work then you HAVE TO build something like this. There is no way around it.
- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I think we see the same thing but interpret it differently. I finb stagnation is a very negative word. I don't think you can say it without equating that the current bunch of guys aren't very smart. I mean wouldn't QED be up there: the most accurate scientific theory ever?
- dopplerdog, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I agree that science is based on experiment - that much is obvious. My point is that the LHC is primarily a result of the stagnation of fundamental physics, specifically in the realm of particle physics, that we've seen since the 70s. And right now, we HOPE that the LHC will show something amazing, but maybe it won't (but there's only one way to find out, which is to suck-and-see),
- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Einstein does not equal the whole of scientific endeavor. Science is based on facts, in fact, some philosophers dating back to Ionian times believe science is based on studying the extremes. This is what LHC does. Is it as far from stagnation as you can get. Newton needed Kepler who needed Tycho. Planck needed the experiments to show that we don't get a ultraviolet catastrophe.
- dopplerdog, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I dunno. Consider that the great breakthroughs in physics were due to some guy thinking about the commonplace. Einstein, for instance, had the seed of relativity when he was a teen, thinking about what would happen to your perception of the e-m field as you approach the speed of light. He didn't need an experiment for that - the Michelson-Moreley experiment came much later, and merely confirmed Einstein's ideas.
- jesuswuzanalien, on 03/21/2008, -2/+8Wow this is amazing that we are alive in the time when we can witness this great pinnacle of human intellectual achievement. Sometimes I think about this so hard that I suddenly jizz straight in my pants when I'm in class.
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -3/+7The great pinnacle of human intellectual achievement will be when we realize that we shouldn't be dropping bombs on each other like high tech cavemen.
- ripple123, on 03/21/2008, -4/+3Oh yeah! then we can all get together in a drum circle and sing songs, cause no one will ever need to bomb things again.
- Wildthing, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3Personally I wish I was alive for the first moon landing because it was the first time in known history that a living being was able to get to another world through its own means, though who knows, maybe this will produce something even greater.
- quantumdoor, on 03/21/2008, -2/+0"amazing that we are alive in the time when we can witness this great pinnacle of human intellectual achievement." To me this sounds like it would come from a news reporter in the beginning of some doomsday movie. It would the last scene before countless images of us fleeing Earth.... aw crap. i just spooked myself out.
- supermanred, on 03/21/2008, -3/+7The great pinnacle of human intellectual achievement will be when we realize that we shouldn't be dropping bombs on each other like high tech cavemen.
- zephc, on 03/21/2008, -0/+17Great Scott!
- Wakuko, on 03/21/2008, -1/+10I come from the future to tell you not to press that butt...
- smurfsahoy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+4Why do they always wait until the button is all built and there's somebody ready to push it?
- DrakeRangoon, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1OH SHI--
- mannymix03, on 03/21/2008, -7/+3I keep thinking these stories are talking about hardon colliders :(
- mknoll1, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1I see the same thing too. I giggle inside and then remember what it is
- RaiderWolf, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Always with the hardon 8-/
- d0onut, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1My favorite answer to what happens is that the universe ends and begins again. I can relate to the Big Bang in my head. And don't tell me it doesn't make sense. I don't care.
- scaaven2, on 03/21/2008, -7/+5hardon collider
- VegaObscura3, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Don't be gay.
- TheZorch, on 03/21/2008, -3/+9I for one welcome our soon to arrive Combine Overlords.
- cyberwiz01, on 03/21/2008, -0/+8Anyone else think "Stargate" when seeing these pictures:
http://lh5.google.ca/abramsv/R94o16tLi9I/AAAAAAAAL ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/videoschmideo/1086964 ...- Onestone, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Hallowed are the Ori!
- Skooma714, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2I've been watching all the episodes from Season 1 to the end and eventually all of Atlantis too. My first time through for all.
There is rarely a time when I'm not thinking of Stargates.
- ttfadia, on 03/21/2008, -7/+3God knows TIME's already pretty distorted.
- Rwned, on 03/21/2008, -2/+3fail.
- douce2, on 03/21/2008, -0/+7All I've gotta say is that those scientists better have carried the 1, or we're screwed
- wonky73, on 03/21/2008, -7/+2I am the webmaster for a website that deals with supercomputer and science stuff. I must have had a freudian slip because for several days the main story on the front pages title said... "large hardon collider"
- sap959, on 03/21/2008, -1/+1lol hardon
- DarkDx, on 03/21/2008, -0/+8..."webmaster"...
- marc123, on 03/21/2008, -4/+4this thing might be the end of us all im seriously worried, we dont know enough about how black holes work to start messing around with them, trying to create them. Considering what we do know about them we should have more caution. I wonder why there doesnt seem to be any other intelligent life in our part of the galaxy and i wonder maybe there comes a point in a civilizations development where it develops the capacity to destroy itself unwittingly...
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1You can say that about any science.
- the6thReplicant, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1The theory that says black holes exist also says that they will evaporate in a few nanoseconds. So it's a win-win situation: either the theories are wrong and black holes don't exists or they're right and they do and will vanish without causing any harm.
- trollick, on 03/21/2008, -1/+4*****. Cosmic rays sometimes have by FAR higher energies that we will generate any time soon, and yet space-time is doing just fine.
- Zlorp, on 03/21/2008, -1/+9LHC is NOT going to produce time travel, just like its not going to destroy the planet with blackholes.
- onlyclave, on 03/21/2008, -0/+8Yeah we'll see what you say about that LAST week!
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Prove it.
- Zlorp, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1peter pan isnt real.
prove it
- Zlorp, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1peter pan isnt real.
- lolcoderer, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Thats not what John Titor said ;)
- mr5150, on 03/21/2008, -2/+1Damn! That's one huge ***** flux capacitor!!! So where exactly does 88mph come into the equation?
- thetruckert, on 03/21/2008, -4/+2awesome, i can't wait to use it for porn like the internets
- shadow010, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3Why does this remind me of Evangelion?
- canman888, on 03/21/2008, -6/+12FTA: The cost of building LHC is so high, that America had to put a stop to its own Superconducting Super Collider in 1993 (even though 14 miles of tunnel had already been dug in Texas), so today CERN's structure is the lone contender for the title "the most complicated thing that humans have ever built".
USA looses again, as they always do, but never admit like the bragging brats they are!- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -1/+6Yet they are spending every two weeks in Iraq the same amount spent over the last 20 years to build the LHC.
- TheHim, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1The former accelerator LEP was housed there till 2000, so they didn't actually built it for 20 years. It's might just be when the first theoretical sketches were done.
- Ogedei, on 03/21/2008, -4/+6I do not know where you are from, but it is clear you are the "looser" in this scenario.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -3/+6Ogedei has no idea what the LHC is. They don't teach LHC stuffs on the Fox newses.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -3/+6Ogedei has no idea what the LHC is. They don't teach LHC stuffs on the Fox newses.
- DoscoJones, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Chip on shoulder much? How little we care.
- encrypteduser, on 03/21/2008, -3/+3Yes, but at least we know how to spell loses, idiot.
- Sonof8Bits, on 03/21/2008, -2/+1A yank that knows how to spell. Rare these days.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -1/+6Yet they are spending every two weeks in Iraq the same amount spent over the last 20 years to build the LHC.
- noseeme, on 03/21/2008, -2/+41/0
^After the LHC is turned on, that will not be undefined any more. It will equal [REDACTED BY UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF MATHEMATICS] - COINTELPRO, on 03/21/2008, -7/+0They are going to be real disappointed when they hook it up. There is no Traversable worm holes. The earth doesn't warp time, it send particles slowing the motion of clocks
The only black hole is the billions of dollars spent of the machine. That will be the worm hole- COINTELPRO, on 03/21/2008, -4/+0All they are doing is babbling and wasting time. The Iter fusion reactor is a waste of money and time.
- Ramble, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3Considering the thing is a giant particle collider, then if it detects gravitons or indeed the Higgs Boson then it'll be a huge success.
- Calculon, on 03/21/2008, -0/+17On the bright side, if it does destroy the Universe, you'll be gone before you know what happened.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Actually, it won't be instant, it will take some time for the initial black hole to grow in size...
- diggrnumber1, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0actually, it isn't going to destroy the world. even if it creates a black hole, the black hole will not have enough initial mass to be viable for longer than a tiny fraction of time.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+6Actually, it won't be instant, it will take some time for the initial black hole to grow in size...
- MikeFallopian, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5The scientists working there better not divide by zero.
- ddufour, on 03/21/2008, -0/+9Ha, My physics professor was just gone about a month ago for a week to go work on this. He did a live video lecture from CERN. It is some pretty interesting stuff. Didn't expect this to turn up on Digg.
- euvirtual, on 03/21/2008, -2/+1Yes. Interesting stuff... on digg... who would've thought?
- CaLeDee, on 03/21/2008, -0/+12Anyone have any idea how much power this thing will consume and how much it will cost to run? I'm interested.
- furbyboy, on 03/21/2008, -1/+4Ironically it requires precisely 1.21 jiggawatts of power.......who wud 'a thunk it!!!
- CaLeDee, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Does this mean that when the particles inside the LHC reach exactly 88mph... they will travel back in time, and have their mothers take an unhealthy fancy to them? If so then god help us all!!!!!!
- kurtwinter, on 03/21/2008, -1/+4Anyone else think that its great, but its too bad it wasn't built on a different planet?
- quantumdoor, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0Agreed.
- TheCoreh, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Or maybe on a moon of mars.
- Hurricane, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1What good would that do if a black hole or a vaccum bubble burst happened?
We can not put something far enough away for such incidents.
- COINTELPRO, on 03/21/2008, -2/+0They should work on the equation side first, they got 8 different string theories, each trying to reconcile with Einstein.
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -1/+38Cost 8 Billion. US cancelled theirs collider in 1993 because it was going to cost 8 Billion. The US could have funded the construction of one of an LHC every 2 weeks for the last 15 years with the money spent in Iraq so far. Pathetic.
- kh99, on 03/21/2008, -0/+14If only someone had thought to rename it the "Freedom Collider".
- JusticeFriend, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Hurricane, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1The war money could have also done a lot of other things, such as Mars colonies, feeding the worlds hungry, free healthcare for years for every American..... the list is astonishing.
- Cogboy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3I don't think you had any money, enjoy your debt.
- kh99, on 03/21/2008, -0/+14If only someone had thought to rename it the "Freedom Collider".
- jgarland79, on 03/21/2008, -0/+11That laptop has NO ventilation: http://mediaarchive.cern.ch/MediaArchive/Photo/Pub ...
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+12Is that a hot lhc cryo system technician?
- lovestospooge, on 03/21/2008, -1/+2Laptop? What laptop?
- 5dGuy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+12Is that a hot lhc cryo system technician?
- daxdefranco, on 03/21/2008, -3/+1...sigh. at least we won't be around to deal with the mess this makes.
- briantek, on 03/21/2008, -0/+7Where's Gordon Freeman?
- lotsofcooki3s, on 03/21/2008, -0/+0I was just about to say.... resonance cascade anyone??
- vism, on 03/21/2008, -2/+4Wasn't this thing mentioned in the book Angels & Demons?
- Doonce, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Yes, and it made antimatter that could destroy all matter as we know it, I believe.
- smurfsahoy, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1other supercolliders already make antimatter, and it isn't that dangerous. Just goes boom, no chain reactions. Plus there's like less than a microgram of it.
- Doonce, on 03/21/2008, -0/+1Yes, and it made antimatter that could destroy all matter as we know it, I believe.
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