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- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -7/+92*****. If you want to get high, do it properly. Go buy some crack or smoke some peyote or something.
I've tried this i-doser ***** before and, though binaural beats certainly can relax you, it's incredibly annoying and doesn't put you in a mental state that could even *remotely* be described as "high". Anyone who claims that this works is either a marketing shill, or hasn't been within 5km of an actual drug in their life.
Basically, anyone dumb enough to spend money on i-doser deserves the enormous rip-off they're getting. - UCFartstudntJON, on 08/20/2008, -0/+47I'd like to inform that I've tried this sonic weed, and it works! Specially if you smoke a huge bowl right before, RIGHT before.
- Mattwdj, on 08/20/2008, -0/+45Is it just me or did the author seem like a major pussy?
- abdo, on 08/20/2008, -1/+46Two words: placebo effect
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+39It doesn't work. I had a bunch of these mp3s a long time ago from BT and its *****. Crack.mp3, cocaine.mp3, meth.mp3 etc. lol. what bs.
its a really annoying sound, that's all. no "buzz" no "high", just pure annoyance. and they all sound pretty much the same.
For years there have been rumors going round the school yard of different legal ways to get high using everyday items, this is just the latest rumor for the ipod generation.
I've no doubt that there will be many gullible retards who will fall for this. Good business move though. I wonder how long it will take congress to be sucked into this and freak out, start making new laws banning this garbage thereby giving it more fame and appeal. The circle of retardation would be complete. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -6/+34Except it doesn't work. If you tell the average dumbass 15 year-old that if he sits in a silent room motionless for 24 hours he'll start to feel high. He'll believe you and do it. That age group is utterly retarded. They're the reason that the "Fast and the Furious" movies were made FFS.
And these guys get paid 5 bucks a pop for selling a garbage mp3 files.
I would say that this is indeed one of the greatest business ideas out there. - hwy9nightkid, on 08/20/2008, -7/+31***** you guys, two of my friends died listening to crack.mp3!!!
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+26A voice of clarity among the haze of gullible *****.
Its a miracle. - dafragsta, on 08/20/2008, -1/+25It does work, but saying it's like a drug is misleading. It's more or less a hard turn into strong meditation without even trying. The Make Magazine guys were demoing the brain machine at SXSW this year and people kept cycling through to try it. When I finally did, it freaked me out how quick it pulls you into that state.
However, unlike a drug, as soon as you take away the stimulation, there is no more "high" feeling, and it is considerably less powerful if you use the same binaural pattern twice. Think of it like porn in that respect.
Binaural beats are for real and they work better with visual stimulation like flashing lights that you can still perceive with your eyes closed. There is an open source program called WinAural that you can download and use. - nublet, on 08/20/2008, -3/+24too bad it's *****.
- gutistg, on 08/20/2008, -0/+20I would advise that you plant it (somewhere outside of the U.S., where it is illegal) and keep the soon to be endangered species of cactus alive. Peyote grows very slowly. It takes decades to produce enough material to have the desired psychoactive effects.
But if you feel you must harvest peyote for consumption, leave the plant with enough material to live, then transplant enough of the harvested material to allow it to root and grow into another cactus.
This will allow the species to better survive, and will (eventually) produce more psychoactive substance for you to consume. It's a win-win situation. - cloudberries, on 08/20/2008, -0/+19I'd watch out if I were you though, some of the cheaper stuff is diluted with lower quality 32kb/s mp3. That ***** can really blow your head if you're not careful
- borez, on 08/20/2008, -5/+23"The pulses, in the 1,000 hertz to 1,500 Hz range, have slight differences between them - less than 30 Hz."
As I sound engineer, I have no ***** idea what that statement meant, to me less than 30 Hz is sub bass, or did you mean increments of 30 Hz steps? Also 1k to 1.5k is smack bang in the middle of the "Annoying as ***** range " i.e. the fundamentals of a baby crying or a wife nagging, so the thought of pounding my brain with those frequencies oscillating from both sides at different rates would probably make me want to punch you.
Which I guess is the same a doing crack. - ozid, on 08/20/2008, -4/+22i got a couple off of a torrent. i'm going to test them vs their physical counterparts.
so far i can definitely tell you ketamine is a fail. although there were moments while listening to it I felt like I would on K, i think it was me telling myself i should feel like it+ the canceling out of noise around me that made it happen. I've only done it a few times and the memories aren't very sharp in my head.
i do have a "buzz" after listening to it, but i'd relate it more to the mental buzz of doing a bunch of vicodin.
up next is X... which I will always remember. and i know its easy to conjure because I sometimes can will myself into feeling like i'm rolling if a familiar trance song comes on. i'll reply to this tomorrow if anyone is interested on how that goes. I have a buddy doing the acid one right now since he has more experience with that then I do.
Another one I am looking forward to is DXM. I've wasted many-a-braincell taking cough and cold pills in high school.
You guys are lucky to have a loser like me to be a test mule. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+17"Think of it like porn in that respect."
Best analogy ever. - Cancerkitty, on 08/20/2008, -5/+22Something about "using [...] sound waves to mess with your brain" makes me think this might not be the greatest idea in the world.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+16well, think of it this way - what doesn't mess with your brain?
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -5/+21@ jbham184
You give no evidence as to legitimacy of your claims, no references, no links to reputable studies proving your claims of people being "knocked out" by these sounds.
But you DID use the word "subjects" so I'm convinced. Do you mind if I call you "Doctor"? - Cowfrommars, on 08/20/2008, -6/+20http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/27130895/i-dose ...
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+13I'll get the mp3 splitter and do the cutting. You get more if you sell in smaller quantities like in deals of 250KB a piece.
lol. if only it actually worked. - alamedaman, on 08/20/2008, -1/+13noise is a hell of a drug (?)
- ashlocke, on 08/20/2008, -0/+11Tried it, without my soundcard's equalizer on (which supposedly screws up the sound and nullifies the effect), and it turns out to surprisingly be *****.
- hetzjagd, on 08/20/2008, -0/+11I would advise if you acquire any peyote that you don't smoke it.
- fierylungs, on 08/20/2008, -2/+13Umm... youtube is mono and these require stereo sound to "work."
- jbham184, on 08/20/2008, -1/+12for people who dont want to download a torrent
http://nemreis.free.fr/idoser/ - dafragsta, on 08/20/2008, -1/+11alanr19: It sounds like you are just a skeptic. You know that you can get WinAural for free right? I say you read up on it and try it before you go Archie Bunker technophobe.
I agree it's over-marketed to say it emulates the effects of specific drugs, but you're opinions are misinformed. Binaural beats have been around for a long time and they have been heavily researched. It does stimulate your brain relative to the pace of the oscillations, but I don't think it's really the same thing as any drug. It's actually freakishly powerful and akin to hypnosis.
The weirdest part is that I'd equate to being more like a brain massage and it does feel good. It's great for when you have too many things running around your head and you don't even know what to do next. I've personally never experienced that caffeine energizing effect, most have put me into a trance-like state where I have closed-eye visuals when there are lights or a visualization plugin running on my PC stimulating my eyes through my eyelids. Your brain sorta takes that abstract visual stimulation and the audio stimulation and it creates a serious and almost immediate sense of disembodiment. It's also the closest I've ever come to a waking lucid dream. - Ford_Prefect2nd, on 08/20/2008, -0/+10Why are you getting dugg down, they abused open source software, why not steal thier *****.
- AndrewDB, on 08/20/2008, -2/+12Stupidity, it's one helluva drug.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+9Some drugs are fine. Do your research and stay safe *****!
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8You are quite right that audio has an effect on the mind, hence the easy listening music in the Dentists waiting room promoting relaxation, the loud music in young women's clothes shops as it promotes bad decision making along with the wooden floors because hearing your own footsteps makes you feel empowered. (i've researched all this stuff in a previous career).
However iDose dont mention relaxation or happiness they mention "cocaine" "crack" etc. iDose is being sold on a false premise. Its a scam, theft you will. Its not even "half worth it". It would not stand up to the scrutiny of a consumer watchdog organization. (if one actually exists in the US)
I listened to 320kbps versions of iDose and its BS even at that quality. - analogkid01, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8I found it odd that his first critical question was not related to health or efficacy, but rather *legality*. That said "goody-goody" to me right off the bat.
- SillyRabbits, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8Light machines are far more effective at inducting various mental states. Build your own.
http://www.hackcanada.com/homegrown/wetware/brainw ...
http://www.hackcanada.com/homegrown/wetware/brainw ... - dugdal, on 08/20/2008, -0/+7The relaxation aspects of the tones have had a dramatic effect on my sleep and general disposition. Especially the Delta and Theta wave tracks. They take a few weeks to get used to, but they have changed me for the better, no doubt.
I havent tried the i- doser or idose ones though.
These guys do them
http://www.centerpointe.com/
and
http://www.monroeinstitute.com/
who knows, it could be MKULTRA and i'll be getting a phone call soon, but until then I'm enjoying them. - quisph, on 08/20/2008, -1/+8dif·fer·ence (dĭf'ər-əns, dĭf'rəns)
n.
6. Mathematics.
1. The amount by which one quantity is greater or less than another.
2. The amount that remains after one quantity is subtracted from another. - tinkafoo, on 08/20/2008, -0/+7I like toitles!
- JoeJim, on 08/20/2008, -1/+8We'll never know (from this article, anyway) since the author's response to his own question, "Do these work?" was ...
"And since most of the i-Doser doses cost real money, I wasn't about to plunk down cash to find out."
This guy was five bucks away from a useful piece of journalism. - LexMortis, on 08/20/2008, -0/+7Alright, I've used some similar software (brainwave generator if I recall correctly), and it does work.
That software didnt have any drugs or alcohol settings, mostly to either get you relaxed or a bit more energized.
I used this when I had trouble sleeping/falling asleep and I can honestly say that it works.
My setup was laying in bed with headphones on and the brainwave thing on, another program would auto switch off the computer after like 30mins or so. By that time I would be really close to sleeping, so I just had to slip the headphones off and I would fall asleep.
Now I just use melatonin, but it's still very interesting stuff.. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -3/+10I like pie!
- JavertHolmes, on 08/20/2008, -2/+8I'm in possession of a binaural beat that compels bloggers to go out and pretend they had an altered state of consciousness listening to binaural beats, then write a 1.01 page article about them.
- gutistg, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6They do not have the effect implied by the audio file's name. Binaural beats are not so powerful a psychoactive as that.
The strongest effect produced by binaural beats is a deep dream-like meditative state. This effect is not worth $5, it can be created for free using Audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ )
Read here for a more comprehensive review of it's effects (make sure to check the sources for reputability and accuracy): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats#Hypoth ... - BeShirtHappy, on 08/20/2008, -4/+10I would be curious if it has the same addictive qualities in the user as 'real drugs'.
- ch4os1337, on 08/20/2008, -1/+7Dude this ***** aint music, Its loud 30 minute buzz sounds like what people use for UFO sound effects.
- Culyt, on 08/20/2008, -0/+6No but it doesn't have the same qualities as real drugs either as this is just a completely sensationalist article writing spin about a company trying to make money from suckers.
Binaural beats are valid and scientific but the most you will get out of them is weird feelings, or making yourself more awake, sleepy, creative/focused, relaxed some can relieve headaches and such. They might feel a bit trippy at times but you will never actually have a trip. In the end changing the frequency your brain operates at isn't going to be the same as stimulating neurons or chemical receptors.
Even the quote from the website which starts of saying its like downing 5 shots of gin, then goes on to say "Some have even experienced pure drunkenness from a single dose.", some people will also experience pure drunkenness if you give them something non alcoholic and say it is. And if its like downing 5 shots of gin then you should definitely fell drunk.
Chances are the main effect this will have is a mild headache from listening to those annoying tones.
With that said people who have trouble sleeping might want to check out some of the sleep induction ones as they can do stuff, but when I tried I never got completely asleep with them and woke fully up the instant they stopped or became to quiet but don't waste your money on the commercial rip off.
☢ - avonwodahs, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5Google is your friend, http://www.i-dose.us/ .
- inotocracy, on 08/20/2008, -1/+6Did you just say smoke peyote? Sigh.
- RevEng, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5I used to play with Brainwave Generator back in the 90s. While I can vouch for its ability to influence brainwaves, it certainly isn't a drug.
For those who are interested, our brainwaves (the brain's constantly fluctuating electrical fields) are tightly correlated with our level of consciousness. While fully awake we are in an alpha state; as we relax, we fall into beta and lower states. When we concentrate, we show a specific frequency of brainwaves; likewise when we meditate and in various levels of sleep.
The idea behind these "binaural beats" is that our brainwaves tend to follow the frequencies of things we experience. This is one reason why hard, fast music excites us while slow, mellow music relaxes us. Other things can influence these brainwaves too, such as light, the time of day, and even the brainwaves of others near us.
You can't normally hear frequencies in the range of 20-40Hz, or at least not without very large, powerful speakers. Binaural beats work by playing two sounds, one in each ear, with a small (~30Hz) difference in frequency. This creates what sounds like a "beating" sound between them, which we can perceive.
Just like with medidation, these influences are mainly voluntary -- one can hear the sounds without being greatly affected by them if they concentrate against them. On the other hand, if one relaxes and focuses on beats of a givne frequency, their brainwaves will tend to follow them, making it easier for them to enter another state.
These states are no different than the ones we all experience on a regular basis: intense concentration, relaxation, sleep, etc. There are no "drug" states -- certainly nothing worthy of comparing to drugs like marijuana, cocaine, or heroin. These drugs all work by affecting neurochemical pathways, not just changing states of consciousness.
If you want to know what affects binaural beats can have, try listening to different types of music. Depending on the tempo (and the given drum beats, whose timing may be multiples of the tempo), your brain will follow the frequencies of these and will be relaxed or focused similarly. It's not a new phenomena, nor is it a drug, addictive, or anything else of the sort. It's merely something our brain does with all sounds, and when used willingly, it can be helpful for things like relaxation and meditation. It is not a drug.
Bad science is one of the worst things media ever brought us. - cloudberries, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5There's a free program called Neuro Programmer which pumps out these noises. It's a bizzare experience listening to them, it's like being in a wind tunnel creating a constant noise alongside whispery clicking sounds. Or something like that.
- analogkid01, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5I am Jack's binaural beats-induced bitch *****.
- iamnobody8614, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5"Go buy some crack..."
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+6i didn't say anythig about the binaural being music dude
i said music in itself was a drug
i might know because i have a degree in: music -
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