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- novenator, on 07/14/2009, -3/+69"There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance."
-Hippocrates (460 BC - 377 BC) - resueht, on 07/13/2009, -3/+63I thank God everyday that I grew up in a science loving household.
- pagno, on 07/14/2009, -4/+62How can you believe in science, but not evolution? Its mind-boggling.
- shaka999, on 07/13/2009, -3/+50I had a "conversation" with my FOX News loving parents just yesterday which touched on the same thing. Why believe science when you have dogma to fall back on.....
Or, as they said, its those liberal eastern colleges causing all the problem. They both grew up in KS so this isn't much of a surprise. - christoast, on 07/14/2009, -0/+43It should also be noted that a large portion of the public doesn't know that the earth orbits the sun.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profil ... - FervinsUlterius, on 07/14/2009, -5/+48Kind of like the catholic church propping up the recent discovery of CARBON DATED 1st century bones as the bones of Paul, but completely rejecting the CARBON DATING of the fraudulent shroud of turin.
- diulei, on 07/14/2009, -2/+42Ah, so the general public is like the friend who asks for your opinion but doesn't really want it and is only hoping you'll agree with him/her and feel better.
- WillFight4Beer, on 07/14/2009, -4/+42I love people that think they're allowed to have opinions with regard to issues like evolution or global warming.
They are scientific, not political issues. Either you bring up significant and substantial opposing scientific evidence or you shut the ***** up. - FervinsUlterius, on 07/14/2009, -2/+38"The scientific method is great due to its complete focus on reality and lack of focus on, and understanding of, fantasy"
^fixed. - inactive, on 07/14/2009, -1/+34Intelligent people scare dumb people.
They always seem "arrogant" and "out of touch" to dumb people. - yocouchdigga, on 07/14/2009, -1/+23Is this the same "public" that believes in magical sky-fathers and that watching reality TV is a decent way to spend an evening?
- inactive, on 07/14/2009, -0/+22All of you idiots who think science should be called Science and considered a religion need to seriously GTFO my reality.
Next time you get an infection, why don't you pray instead of using antibiotics? Since your god is real and cares about you I'm sure he'll help you. If he doesn't then you can spend the rest of eternity in his presence, right?
Its win-win. - christoast, on 07/14/2009, -9/+31Thank your parents, not god.
- Snoogs, on 07/14/2009, -5/+24Religion was created to keep the slaves content, knowing they had an afterlife to look forward to. It was such a revelation being raised in a Christian household to finally have freedom of/from religion when I left for college. Do people really think a God selected one small portion of the world to be the blessed group over another?
Another great point I realized is that you can create a truth- an idea, concept, invention, method- and you are right until you hear otherwise. People make claims based on much less than solid evidence, but until someone else comes along with better info, the first guy is the best source of knowledge. - KountChocula, on 07/14/2009, -0/+18"The winner will just be the person who is better at convincing them that their "evidence" is better. "
By evidence you mean conclusions that have been derived from tests which when replicated give identical results--that is what you call facts. If the facts are staring you right in the eye and yet you still need convincing then you choose to be ignorant - inactive, on 07/14/2009, -0/+18Evolution isn't "currently popular". Rather, it's been celebrated for hundreds of years as one of the single greatest discoveries in the history of mankind. Unlike cold fusion, a fringe theory pursued by cranks, evolution is studied by thousands and universally accepted in the scientific community.
- NeddieSeagoon, on 07/14/2009, -3/+21Actual scientific data itself can be trusted, but the conclusions derived from it can be bought and paid for like anything else.
- yocouchdigga, on 07/14/2009, -2/+19You're an idiot, please go away.
- WasabiBomb, on 07/14/2009, -0/+17The thing is, science DIDN'T get cold fusion "wrong". Some scientists said that they had achieved cold fusion, the rest of the scientific community said, "Uh, nope, don't think so."
That's exactly the way science is supposed to work. - Wargasmic, on 07/14/2009, -1/+18Maybe they should stop being ***** if they don't like it.
- WRXFiles, on 07/14/2009, -1/+18"About the only clear conclusion here is that a substantial fraction of the US public have no idea what's going on in the scientific community." (from the article)
- KountChocula, on 07/14/2009, -1/+16and hence ignorance begets
- bigbadgoat, on 07/14/2009, -1/+16Well they raised him. So if he turned out to be a ***** son, maybe its because they were ***** parents. The fact that they ignore science for dogma is not something they should be respected for.
- bigbadgoat, on 07/14/2009, -0/+14If evolution never existed we wouldn't have to keep developing cures for new strands of virii (like say, swine flu) which is a result of a mutation of a stand which is resistant to current treatments (aka natural selection) and perfectly exemplifies evolution.
The only difference between humans, and animals and plants is the number of cells and added complexity of things like DNA. This does not affect mutation (and thus natural selection and evolution) in any way. - VashVI, on 07/14/2009, -1/+15You don't have to rely on faith that the experiments are done right, because you can, in principle at least, study an learn the field of that experiment and do it yourself.
- inactive, on 07/14/2009, -2/+15LALALALALALALALAL CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA
/praise a carpenter who died 2000 years ago for your sins - TVarmy, on 07/14/2009, -2/+15Simple. They think scientists are chill dudes who are fun to hang out with, but they think their ideas make no sense. It's like when you hang out with a guy who has far-out political opinions and have a spirited conversation about his views for three hours, but then go home and have more or less the same beliefs you had before you left.
What we need to do is change society's views of scientists. We need to stop making them so cool, so that people will take them seriously. - inactive, on 07/14/2009, -1/+14I didn't say "self-professed intelligent people". I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about actual intelligent people.
- Aroundtown27, on 07/14/2009, -0/+12What are you talking about?
- Garganturat, on 07/14/2009, -2/+14Since when is believing in evolution ignorant?
Read a biology textbook, the evidence is all there. - inactive, on 07/14/2009, -3/+14Is your God noodly, by chance?
- wolferz, on 07/14/2009, -0/+11Heh... probably related to the "every one admits they are capable of being wrong... but never admits to being wrong about anything" trend.
- inactive, on 07/14/2009, -1/+12For the life of me, I can't figure this whole anti-evolution movement out. I mean WTF? Have they not ever had it explained to them? Have they never sat and thought about it for any length of time? I don't care what they think the Bible says, continuing to deny evolution at this point puts these people on the same level as those who denied that the Earth orbits around the sun. Poor Galileo.
I don't have anything against religion necessarily, but I have a huge problem with the way some people choose to follow theirs. Seriously, anyone who doubts evolution has not studied the details carefully enough, or has a misunderstanding of how it works, or is in flat out denial. - Varz, on 07/14/2009, -0/+11Well it depends if it's peer reviewed, which most of it is. Of course I'm always a little cautious about the conclusions drawn from 'scientific' studies of potential products, like pharmaceutical drugs.
Studies in evolution, cosmology, quantum mechanics...etc aren't marketable so there's no reason to favour a certain conclusion. - Garganturat, on 07/14/2009, -0/+10Evolution does not answer "why?".
- bigbadgoat, on 07/14/2009, -1/+11No one who knows a thing about science thinks that it's flawless and perfect. That's what makes it better than religion, which believes it is flawless and perfect. New scientific discoveries change scienfic theory all the time! If new information is discovered which counters what a theory would have predicted, the theory either needs to be refined to be able to accomodate and explain this new information (thus making it more accurate) or that theory is thrown out and a new one is developed based on all the accumlated information. Science is always changing more and more towards perfection. The more we know, the more accuracy we can obtain.
If only religion could say the same. When we look at sedimentary layers around the world and realize there was no great flood, religious people are left scratching their heads and saying that "god must have removed the evidence to test our faith" and so on... not so reliable. - Snoogs, on 07/14/2009, -3/+13Don't feed the trolls... especially the obvious ones.
- poonjob, on 07/14/2009, -1/+11American public is embarassingly ignorant. Not out of being stupid anyone can be smart, just some things dont interest people; so they dont bother
- theodicey, on 07/14/2009, -2/+12This isn't surprising at all, it's what happens when you take an average of two very different groups.
The Democratic party is a coalition between the educated (but not especially rich) and the poor and poorly educated (and often minority). With the common theme that neither group places much faith in business, inherited wealth, or the establishment. - bobburn1, on 07/14/2009, -0/+9And only a moron can think that anyone thinks we evolved "from monkeys." No scientist is asserting we evolved from monkeys.
- bombula, on 07/14/2009, -1/+10No, the evolution-denying part of the general public is like a 3-year-old who thinks TV and cell phones are magic.
Try explaining to a 3-year-old why the same process that yielded the microelectronics and geostationary communication satellites that make TV and cell phones possible also shows the evolution is fact. It's impossible.
To someone with an infant's brain, it's all just magic. They don't want to see the man behind the curtain. - Snoogs, on 07/14/2009, -0/+9If anyone else can find the abstract, please attach, but the research went something like:
A single type of bacteria was cultured and separated each generation for something rediculous on the order of 12,000 generations (lifespan of 4-8 hours). After this span of time, two distinct traits had shown up, and my memory is hazy here, but either the bacteria could absorb a new type of protein as food, or their byproducts began to include ammonia.
The research group had each generation separated and frozen (yes, a monumental task- this is where funding goes) and pinpointed the divergent age somewhere around 2500-3000 generation, where the new type exploded. The distinct genetic change could offer a benefit in the right conditions.
In one bacteria experiment, a group demonstrated a genetic change stemming from a single bacterial colony, and a greater fitness in natural selection. (and cheers to anyone who can identify this experiment and find something online about it) - Garganturat, on 07/14/2009, -0/+9I think an excellent example of evolution would be "directed evolution" which anyone can look up. It's evolution of a specific nature where the outcome is chosen by the scientist.
@representDLV
If you think the methods are sloppy, they've been published (although someone would have to find the article).
If you think their findings are wrong, you can re-interpret their data, they've been published.
If you think it's a fluke, try repeating it.
Scientific articles are written in such a way as to allow other groups to reproduce the data if they're not satisfied with the result. As well, enough data is made available for others to suggest their own interpretations.
Maybe before you go around saying ridiculous things about science, you should learn a little bit about it. - WRXFiles, on 07/14/2009, -1/+10I see what you did there...
- zip000, on 07/14/2009, -0/+9Not only do they vote, but they put into power people as ignorant and backwards as they are. Elected officials who do not "believe" in science - I hate even using the word "believe" in reference to science - will put into place a system that is antagonistic to research, science, and education. This will result in even more dumb people, more votes for dumb people, and more dumbing down.
This is how countries fail. - inactive, on 07/14/2009, -0/+8@Cartman86
Believing the Bible literally puts you in a whole 'nother ballpark. It was all meant as allegory even in the first place. Look at Revelations, for example. Its basically the Jews trolling Julius Caesar. - Delphium226, on 07/14/2009, -0/+8After reading your comment my belief that we evolved from monkeys just increased.
- apetrie, on 07/14/2009, -1/+9Please explain how macro-evolution does not make sense? I think what you really mean is "I don't like what it implies about humans and our origins" I suspect.
- bombula, on 07/14/2009, -1/+9Because you can't describe why without describing what. If you get all the what wrong, which religion does, then your why is completely wrong too.
That's why. - poonjob, on 07/14/2009, -0/+8yup +1
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