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- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+153The devil made penicillin to mess up God's plan.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+95it's not anti-religious. It's anti-stupidity.
- Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -47/+133Faith is one of those things that is still stupid, even in moderation.
Like putting by your bare hands into battery acid. Still stupid... even if you do it twice a week when everyone else does it an excessive four times. - FushBuck, on 10/12/2007, -11/+88@genetic
Agree with you. I wish I did not have to care, but they keep passing their beliefs into law which I must obey, so I feel compelled to fight their ignorance.
Incidently, why would any god who deliberately plants false evidence ever be considered trustworthy about anything? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+80@okokok
Man invented religion so that he could control his fellow men and use that control to gain enormous amounts of wealth and power. - genetic, on 10/12/2007, -14/+78i hate that i get angry at the stupifying remarks religious people make and i wish i just did not care.
- VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+69The rock didn't make me turn away from God, logic did. The rock just confirms what I knew.
- jud420, on 10/12/2007, -22/+77You believe the world's 12 thousand years old?
"That's right."
Okay I got one word to ask you, a one word question, ready?
"uh huh."
Dinosaurs.
You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the ***** Bible at some point.
"And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big ***** lizard, Lord!'
But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend.
And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for O so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their fat ***** families and their fat dollar bills. And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."
Get this, I actually asked one of these guys, OK, Dinosaurs fossils - how does that fit into you scheme of life? Let me sit down and strap in.
He said, "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith."
Thank God I'm strapped in right now here man.
I think God put you here to test my faith, Dude.
You believe that?
"uh huh."
Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be.. *****' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around:
"Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha ha."
[mimes God burying fossils]
"I am God, I am a prankster."
"I am killing Me."
You know, You die and go to St. Peter...
"Did you believe in dinosaurs?"
"Well, yeah. There was fossils everywhere"
Thuh [trapdoor opens]
"Aaaaaaarhhh!"
"You ***** idiot."
"Flying lizards, you're a moron. God was *****' with you!"
"It seemed so plausible, ahhhh!"
"Enjoy the lake of fire, *****!"
You ever noticed how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved? Ya ever noticed that? Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet.3
"I believe God created me in one day"
Yeah, looks liked He rushed it.
They believe the bible is the exact word of God - Then they change the bible! Pretty presumptuous, hu huh?
"I think what God meant to say..."
I have never been that confident.
Next we have a bible out called 'The New Living Bible', it's the bible in updated and modern English. I guess to make it more palatable for people to read. But its really weird, when you listen to it.
Thanks, Bill Hicks - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+59The devil invented digg to turn us against God.
- VeryAngryJim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53"I can't think of one. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, post below me."
ban on stem cell research, he's also spoken out against gay marriage, both issues can only be argued against using religion.
Don't forget that W claims god told him the Iraq war was justified. - Nichiren, on 10/12/2007, -17/+68I came from a very religious Christian background. It took college to show me that what I took as hard fact when I was younger was nothing more than just another religion invented by humans over the eons to explain that which they don't understand. I'm sure that once science and human knowledge has advanced sufficiently enough, new religions will crop up to replace the old outdated ones.
Religion in general can be ***** scary. All this creationist talk in the U.S. is ***** scary. I would like to have kids someday soon and I sure as hell won't raise them in an environment that "educates" them into believing that the world is 6000 years old and that dinosaurs were put in the ground by the devil to throw us all off. It's really such a shame that science in the U.S. is starting to degenerate to the point where foreign countries are starting to catch up due to stubborn religious beliefs (case: stem cell research).
I shudder to think what this country will degenerate into over the next couple of decades. - Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -17/+60@ Taorluath
-6 now, [edit, ok -4]
I still maintain what I say,
faith = belief without proof = dumbass ***** - blaze03, on 10/12/2007, -7/+50God planted those dinosaur bones there so you would have a hard time believing in him. He made all the evidence point to him not existing so that if at the end of your life you -still- actually believe in him then you truly deserve to go to heaven! Because only five people actually are capable of that and he created billions of people in this world so that only five would go to heaven and the rest deserve eternal damnation in a burning hell. This includes all of the billions of kids born in Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Hindu, Buddhist families!
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I wish religious people would take two days out of their lives to sit down and seriously evaluate their beliefs.
I bet Christians think Satan created Digg so that they would be "tested". - gonzoradio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+48The reason this stuff is so fascinating is because it's what our nation's leaders believe. These are the same people who design our schools' science curricula and make our environmental laws. Before they took over, I used to think these idiots were amusing. Now they're just f*cking scary.
- ewc80, on 10/12/2007, -16/+51Welcome to the new atheism: The most intollerant belief system ever.
Instead of letting Christians be Christians, they are on a "crusade" to turn Christians into athiests.
(Sound familiar? THIS is why we teach still history in school!)
Most intolerant belief system ever? When was the last time atheists started a bloody crusade and burned non-believers at the stake? Have you even heard of the website godhatesfags.com? Who is intolerant now? Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it? - treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32@ Taorluath
Bush also has weekly telephone conferences with the leader of the Evangelical Christians (which used to be Ted Haggard). Go watch 'Jesus Camp'... I think that alone is enough to scare the crap out of you. Haggard specifically said in the documentary that if the Evangelicals vote, they decide the outcome.
What's even scarier is that they they were teaching kids to worship and pray for Bush (they actually brought in a full-size cardboard image of him into their church).
So errr... yeah it's 100% certain religion is trying to infiltrate our politics and gain political power (and from that stems all kinds of potential dangers). - stevefl209, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33@stonewaljacksn
"faith in logic"??? What the hell does that even mean?
Because I believe 2 + 2 = 4 does not mean I have faith in arithmetic. Because I believe the Earth revolves around the Sun and not vice-versa does not mean I have faith in astronomy. Because I believe surgery is likely to seal this gaping wound I have and keep me from bleeding to death does mean I have faith in medical science. Faith is not a factor. You're one of those people that think evolution is just as faith-based as creationism aren't you? - Xylem, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41I'm doing my part. My children are being raised without brain washing them into religion.
- bigboom, on 10/12/2007, -24/+53shows how stupid absolute faith in any thing is, everything in moderation is the best
- MSTK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31This article was written by the Devil.
- Aztec, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30@kmk: "I swear digg can't go 30 minutes without an anti-religion article/video. Find some real content, I'm growing tired of this endless debate."
Wouldn't that suggest that this issue is imperative to a whole lot of people? - orxor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31So there we have it, Kevin Rose is the devil.
- bagboyrebel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28@ stonewaljacksn
It looks like you are the one who should do some reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44"Sit down. Shut up. Tune in."
That doesn't sound like the dogmatic fundamentalists you rail against at all. Nope, not like those fundies, not at all. - gendjinn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26@stonewaljacksn
Einstein was an atheist despite the fact many of the religious persuasion try to claim he was a believer.
Regardless, Einstein was a physicist. Genius in one area does not mean genius in all areas. Think about it, who would you ask to fix your transmission, Einstein or an automobile mechanic? - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26"i think science should be abolished"
How do you abolish reality?
Pass a law that pi equals precisely 3?
Decree that the Sun revolves around the Earth?
Defy gravity?
I invite you and your fellow irrationalists to defy gravity right now via defenestration. - gonzoradio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24@fangedrabbit -
You're right, there's no federal law against gay marriage. But that's DESPITE people like you. The religious right has made that one of their top agenda items (if not THE top item) for a decade - and they've been pushing for eight years for an anti gay marriage amendment to the US Constitution. It's only thanks to more moderate lawmakers (including some Republicans - let's be fair here) that it hasn't happened.
But on the state level, it has. Pretty much everywhere. And if you look carefully at the campaigns for these "protection of marriage" amendments, in just about every case you'll find a "Rev." at the bottom of it.
So don't pretend the religious right doesn't have political power or an ambitious agenda. The Bush adminstration is only the tip of the iceberg. What's happened at the state and local levels is way scarier. - ArcOrion, on 10/12/2007, -16/+39I have absolute faith in moderation.
- StarCrusher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24>>or to quote myself: "reincarnation does not exist"
I believed in reincarnation in an earlier life but not in this one. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26@calebb:
No they are on a crusade to continue to advance the human race and not be met by ridiculous, ancient superstitions.
Leave the science to the scientists and the preaching to the religious folk. When the religious folk go around saying that you can't use stem cells (which will be discarded) to help people with diseases and afflictions then they are crossing a ***** fine line. When scientists have a "filter" for their discoveries that is crossing that line again. When schools are teaching "intelligent design" that line has been crossed yet one time more. How long until the "atheists" (religious people are not all bat-***** crazy like the creationists) are allowed to stand up and say "***** off!" without being compared to crusaders that murdered so many people? - t3soro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23I wish we had some of the DNA of our founding fathers, so we could clone them and bring back sense to this nation.
- CaseyUCF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23carbon dating fundamentally does not work on living organisms.
- swiseman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21I swear certain people in this post can't contribute anything worth reading. Whether you believe it or not, it's thought-provoking. For some real content, I suggest using your gift of this thing called "choice" and read another article.
- mstrebe, on 10/12/2007, -22/+42The article was badly written? Your comment contains four grammatical errors and two fallacies of reason. I didn't detect any in the actual article.
- thepaulm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@ Taorluath
There was also the Faith Based Healing initiatives GWB passed. If you claim you are a religious entity you get some federal funds to help council people through their grief.
Counseling folks through their grief is fine, but giving extra tax dollars to a religious entity to do it is a deplorable. - shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Your argument works both ways. Nothing in religion is based on absolute proof. At least science is based on observations.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23"They are doing nothing but but speculating billions of years into the past like always. Remember how a while ago we used to think bacteria or whatever came from nowhere when meat rotted and that was a law for a while, until they figured out a flaw in the experiment which let bacteria in."
haha you religious freaks make great comedians. Aren't you talking about the time of the Black Plague? Where people had to say "bless you" because it had to do something with god? When it was the rats carrying the disease. yeah, I have complete faith in you destroying the country I was born in. - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22"but there are religious people who do sit down and seriously evaluate their beliefs..."
I'm 47, I've lived on two continents and visited 4 others, and debated these issues with literally hundreds of individuals,occasionally in front of large audiences, including on radio and television (once), and I have never met a religious person who seriously evaluates their beliefs. The most educated will be honest enough to state that they dare not think too hard or too rationally about their religion, they just "compartmentalize", which allows them to live with the cognitive dissonance.
Sorry, but irrational faith and rational self-evaluation are inherently incompatible. I apologize if that offends the politically correct and the wishy-washy who think that being "balanced" means providing equal time to reality and fantasy, but religion and reason are diametrically opposed. - Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23It's not even a debate. It's pointing out the flaws in a belief system based on nothing more than what someone wrote in a book thousands of years ago.
The scientific method has improved slightly since then. - Ray301, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Scientific theory is not just theory. In the 1800 and earlier, people just made pure speculations and passed it as theory based on observation without evidence or repeatable experiments. Thats why they thought when the cloth used to wrap corpese disappeared, it was because the dead woke up at night and wondered the night streets. That's what you call just a 'theory'
Scientific theory is an educated guess based on research, known facts, and repeatable results. We know carbon dating works because its based on tried and true molecular theories that has proven itself. If carbon dating was as inaccurate as you try to prove it is, we would have nuclear plant melting down the instant it turns on, we would have people burnt to a crisp when they use X-Ray machines.
Its true that science theories change, but in modern day science, the changes are usually just finding big missing pieces that complete the bigger picture. Not the Oops, our "DNA is the tool of the devil, god is the only force of determining creation" theory was completely wrong, type of revisions.
in summary:
scientific theory = educated guess based on facts, observation, and repeatable results.
Religious evangelical theory = "The wizard did it" (as quoted by Lucy lawless in the Simpsons) - shad0w, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@natey14
Then why has God let all the atheists live? - ewc80, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21That is the neat thing about prophecy. It is usually so vague and open to interpretation that almost any prophecy can be viewed as accurate. My horoscope said today would be an interesting day. I find this article interesting. Therefore astrology is 100% correct.
- rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"First of all, God is real...Faith alone is not needed to believe in him"
This should be fun - provide your non-faith-based "proof", please. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25@genetic and FushBuck
Completely agree.
Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to argue with the ignorant. - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Moderation's good, but these kinds of religious beliefs have no place in modern society. The key difference between science and religion is that scientists are, in the long term, always willing to accept that their previous beliefs were wrong if presented with sufficient evidence. Religion is forbidden from evolving.
- maehem, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21I for one welcome Kevin Rose and our Satanic Digg overlords.
- jstevewhite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@thefangedrabbit
"Arguments against stem cell research based not on religion are that its effectiveness is unverified and that similar results can be achieved with non-fetal stem cells. Also there's no gay marriage law, just an opinion."
Except that, by definition, the effectiveness of ANY research is 'unverified', by definition. And forgive me if I defer to the opinions of the biologists who say that similar results cannot be achieved with non-fetal stem cells. The political "event" of the Snowflake society (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/28/national/main712541.shtml) appears to have been engineered to give Bush a photo opportunity and an argument for the 'protection' of frozen, unnecessary, unimplanted embryos.
The President may not have gotten his gay marriage law, but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe there SHOULD be one; he's stated that he was going to help push for a constitutional amendment to protect the "Sanctity" of marriage. This administration has milked their religious 'appearances' to the hilt. I think George might be a believer, but Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and others are avowed Straussians... if you don't know what that means in this context, you should FIND OUT. - smpx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@natey
wow....so bitter. Yes, science makes mistakes. But the "you're wrong therefore I'm right" argument is a little old isn't it? Something to the tune of 6000 years old?
If you really have that belief, I'd highly advise you to stay away from hospitals. If you knew how much guesswork people in medicine uses, you're probably better off resorting to prayer. - eerok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"What a lot of people seem to misunderstand both Christians and atheists. Is that: the earth was created long before light(day 1). Let me explain that a little more. Verse 1 & 2 God created the heaven and earth. The key word here is 'earth'. That includes rocks. The Bible doesn't tell us how long: "the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Maybe that's the reason of scientists have trouble believing that Bible is true."
Just to obviate another possible misunderstanding: science really has nothing to do with religion. Science follows the facts, wherever they lead. Individual scientists need have no particular personal religious belief one way or another; some are deists, some are not.
The only requirement of science is that one follow the methodology rigorously and do good, solid, reproducible work. For some reason this bothers the hell out of those who'd prefer to think of themselves as special beyond the limits of the natural world. For them, there's just no data good enough to trump all that feel-good, live-forever-in-heaven-if-you-jump-through-the-hoops stuff.
I think it comes down to a basic fear of the finality of death. What a bunch of pussies.
But regardless of all that, the supernatural is, by definition, not a subject amenable to science, which concerns itself exclusively with the phenomena of nature.
The Bible is not a science book -- it's a culturally significant metaphorical poem, even if of dubious provenance and tainted by innumerable (and very human) hands. Just so that's clear. -
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