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- cinder, on 10/30/2007, -30/+252Okay Texans...
What can we do?
Who can we write? Addresses?
Let's not let this become another Kansas. - BadAstronomer, on 10/10/2007, -15/+205If you live in Texas, contact Rick Perry, the governor. He is the one who appointed McLeroy: http://www.governor.state.tx.us/contact
- BadAstronomer, on 10/10/2007, -22/+165revdan, I never said you were stupid. I said creationism is wrong, contrary to all the evidence, and illegal -- in fact, unconstitutional -- to teach as science. People who believe in it are not necessarily dumb. But they are indeed wrong.
- warholsbluecat, on 10/10/2007, -36/+176"Then God created Nascar and the Cowboys as a sign of his love for us" - Except from Texas History 101 text.
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -36/+164I think we should just give Texas back to Mexico. They would probably put it to better use.
- JDoggqx, on 10/10/2007, -13/+91@geoff
Let's face the facts. The original "Intelligent Design" decision in Kansas made the whole US look like unintelligent masses to the rest of the world. I live in PA but I hope that my fellow citizens in Texas can prevent this bad omen from taking place. If not you can count on this Pastafarian to help out any way I can.
To my friends in Texas, good luck in your upcoming fight! - Innova69, on 10/10/2007, -26/+74Glad I don't live in TX.
- g30ff, on 10/10/2007, -14/+59Whatever you do, I sincerely hope it works. Otherwise, I'd suggest bracing yourselves for the perhaps unfair but inevitable onslaught of 'Texas is a backwater state' jokes. Good luck.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/10/2007, -7/+48You hear that, Science? Don't mess with Texas!
- wendelgee2, on 10/10/2007, -3/+36I work for textbook company, that's not how it works. We make "Texas editions." We already do it for history. We also do it for California, but that's mostly to include specific things, rather than exclude specific things.
- dweeb79, on 10/10/2007, -6/+39Separation of church and state?
Science is always being tested and re-tested where creationism is just an idea that’s impossible to test. - Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+34for starters, "bifferent" will start with a 'd'
- TomFrost, on 10/10/2007, -5/+38@ccamen: Dude, I'm one of the very few christians on Digg. I was about to digg you up and support you until you had to blatantly piss off all the other users here by posting a six-mile-long comment. If all christians would be the normal but ultimately accepting crowd we profess to be, we wouldn't be having half the problems with do with religious views. No wonder so many people think all christians are *****. Can't blame them, most of the time.
- skjede, on 10/10/2007, -9/+41Ha. McLeroy, now that's a name I can take seriously.
- RpgActioN, on 10/10/2007, -3/+32I'm going to be a senior in a public Texas high school next year. I doubt we'll switch Biology curriculum overnight in time for August, but if any talk of it is made you can rest assured that I am donning my full pirate regalia and demanding that the tales of His Noodly Wonderfulness are recounted in their full glory in Biology classes as well, because it makes just as much god damn sense as teaching "Intelligent Design."
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29How about we have separate education systems for creationists and rational people, and see who has a better education in 15 years..
I can take a guess. - JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -35/+64We're all doomed. Texas, because it is the US's largest buyer of textbooks, decides what goes in school books for the rest of the country!
- chocolatetacos, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32How about we just completely get rid of science education because apparently it is "anti-Christian," so that we can completely rely on the engineering expertise of China and India?
- inhaler, on 10/10/2007, -7/+34It's not a live and let live situation here, It's a we've just given great responsibility and power to an individual who follows a belief system that disavows the education process. How can you place in charge a person who quietly, in the back of their mind, disavows the validity of everything they're responsible for managing? It'd be like hiring a Vegan to run a slaughterhouse (I'm vegan btw) - are you sure that person's personal ideology follows in suit with your goals?
- L4WL3RS34L, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30You should probably look into another year of English class....you're 'rediculous'
- nblsavage, on 10/10/2007, -5/+32Please educate yourself on the scientific method and what a scientific theory actually means before posting on here and making yourself look like a fool.
- lazyrussian, on 10/10/2007, -6/+32What an inane and unintelligent comment.
At least we rationalists have a logical understanding on how the world came to be and if you haven't noticed yet, the world, the universe even, run on LOGICAL PRINCIPLES.
Your computer for example, runs on principles from Electromagnetism and Quantum Mechanics, and not because God "Let it be".
And for your information, I'm a biophysicist, and I know how Evolution and Physics work - there you go. - johnhummel, on 10/10/2007, -7/+33I'll take this one.
Considering that a federal, Bush appointed judge has ruled it to be not a "science", but instead clearly a religious viewpoint engineered to *appear* as a science, it violates the separation of Church and State principle resting in the US and many state constitutions. - nomonkey, on 10/10/2007, -8/+33"... the science behind creationism..."
That made my day. I swear, people get more idiotic by the minute. - trot71, on 10/10/2007, -4/+27You believe the vast majority of Americans believe in Creationism over Evolution? No wonder you spelled "gets" wrong.
- quickdickdean, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27God, please save me from your followers. Creationism doesn't even fit the definition of a science because it can't be proven or disproven.
- disciple83, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23lysdexics UNTIE! my fault... ;)
- StarlessKnight, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24"Truth is often stranger than fiction." A giant metal plane flying through the air was once a far fetched idea of a scientist, and now today we have entire fleets of them. Traveling into space/the heavens was also once far fetched. The Earth not being in the center of the solar system/universe and being round was once far fetched. Everything seems impossible until someone manages to accomplish it, making it reality. No, we aren't going to answer the origin of the universe with a hundred percent certainty, but hypothesizing about it and collecting evidence (expanding universe model, for example) is a lot better than the entire planet bringing progress to a dead stand still because no one was willing to take a risk. Stop saying "it's impossible so it can't be true;" if you want to debunk a hypothesis or theory collect your own evidence, assemble it, present it, and Science'll progress from there.
- h3ndrix, on 10/10/2007, -7/+29I went to school in Texas, and I can assure you: the toppers are ALWAYS crazy conservative, but the teachers are usually very liberal and fair.
Now, I did go to school in Houston and Amarillo--what I said is not true for the latter... that place was hell. - Rapsting, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Science? Are you kidding me? Creationism =/= science, in fact, teaching creationism in schools is a MOCKERY of science.
Go read up on evolution because you clearly don't know everything there is to know about it, then come back to Digg. - withoutasol, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26seperation of church and state. big bang is a theory based on science. wheres the science in creationism? if you're going to chose to show the christian version of creationism you should show all of stories from all religions--- only not in a science class. social studies or theology anyone?
- psg188, on 10/10/2007, -5/+26Texas's GDP is larger then most countries, I'd like to keep it thanks.
- noodhoog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Yes, absolutely. Teach the controversy! The kids should learn both sides of the argument...
Teach 'em Creationism vs Evolution
And Flat earth vs Round earth
and Geocentricism vs Heliocentricism
and Holocaust denial vs World War 2 history
and Invisible Space Elves Pulling Us Down vs Gravity
Who cares how wacked out, made up, and unsupported the hypotheses are, if there's a controversy, teach it.
Or.. we could.. y'know. Teach what the facts support... but that would just be crazy
Still, if creationists are going to push the 'teach the controversy' line, then I'm all for that. Sure. You get to teach your creationism 'theory' alongside evolution in science class. So long as you also do the same in religion class, and teach about all the differing, competing god-hypotheses that exist - and of course, you'd want to have the kids read The God Delusion as well.. gotta teach that controversy, after all. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22"There's plenty of evidence for creationism"
I'm speechless.
Look, say you believe in creationism because you have "faith", because you feel it deep down in your heart, because god told you so etc etc..but DO NOT try and pull the "theres evidence for creationism" card. Citing the bible as evidence for creationism is just silly. - Ub3rg33k, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24There aren't "both views of science". Creationism isn't science. And if you're going to drag the Founding Fathers into it, they were also smart enough to say church and state are separate. Teaching religious doctrine isn't the state's job.
- ragsmaloy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24Yes, but creationism isn't a scientific theory it is a religious belief. I have no problem with it being taught in schools as long people don't pretend it is science, teach it in a religious education class along with general creation myths and understanding of other religions but don't distort science education by claiming it is a valid scientific theory.
- TomFrost, on 10/10/2007, -5/+25See mcosmi, that's just it. "You religious morons" -- a huge generalization, implying all christians are nutjobs. And I can totally understand where that comes from so I can't blame you for thinking it, because there's a HUGE number of religious nutjobs who think that being christian means to make life hell for anyone who isn't *just like them*. But I'm a web developer, computer programmer, UNIX administrator, and pianist on the side. I'm a techie just like most people here, but I've never evangelized my beliefs, and I've only spoken about them with people who ask about them. There are a *lot* of people just like that, but.. you don't hear about them. I guess all I want is the benefit of a doubt, even if our set of beliefs are totally different.
- wbskeet, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20No JonnyTrombone is right. Texas sets the book content for the publishers.
http://www.edutopia.org/muddle-machine
Look to the middle of the page for "Don’t Mess with Texas" - timfitz99, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26Even the freakin' pope said creationism isn't science. Can't you zealots give it a rest and save it for your religious education?
- DiscoLando, on 10/10/2007, -5/+25How ironic is it that a person is threatening to send their kids to a private school, because the public school is teaching Creationism?
- eviltandem, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23"your guess is as good as the next"
Yes, but creationism is a wild guess, and evolution is a scientific theory. Not the same as 2 wild guesses competing with each other.
In this case creationism is a wild guess backed up by nothing. We actually have evidence that directly disproves it (at least as the bible says it happened). Where as evolution has tons of evidence supporting it. They are not even remotely in the same league. - Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Creationism is not a view of science.
- bearsinthesea, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18I just called and left a message:
Citizen's Opinion Hotline: (800) 252-9600
[for Texas callers] - tmcleroy, on 10/10/2007, -7/+24I live in texas and my last name is mcleroy, as evidenced by my username. I hope i'm not related to this guy
- brstilson, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Another creationist that doesn't know the definition of "theory." Theories in the scientific world are frameworks created BY facts. You don't argue that gravity isn't real because it's called the "Theory of Gravity" do you?
As far as proof, there is proof, LOTS of it. It's call the fossil record. You just ignore it because it doesn't fall in to your pre-determined conclusion. I suggest reading a science book, go to a museum, talk to a biology professor. You elevate creationism to a level where it's supposedly just as likely as evolution to have occurred. Sure, there is a 'chance' that every belief is true. There is a chance that Islam is the true religion, and you're going to Islam hell because you're (I assume) a Christian.
You're atheist when it comes to Amon-Ra, Thor, Apollo, and Zeus. Why? Those are just silly old superstitions. To rationally-minded people, religions today are tomorrow's "silly old superstitions." - carleethian, on 10/10/2007, -9/+26jeezus. i love texas, but i cannot think of a worse state politically to be in right now.
we've manufactured the worst president in history, we're red every ***** year, and now this?
when i graduate i'm gonna have to get out for a lil while, and eventually send my kids to private schools.
hook 'em - quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19this ignoramus ladies and gentlemen is the product of the texas education system. if it was this bad before just imagine the idiots its going to churn out now.
- plhearn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19And who invented God? That's right: Flying Spaghetti Monster.
- WasabiBomb, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18You already have a place to teach creationism- it's called "church". We don't even tax it.
- Szandor, on 10/10/2007, -6/+22Fine with me, but only if we get to keep Austin.
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