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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31They still can't figure out which genes make chimps so much smarter than bush.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19You know, I love these threads. It makes it easier to find the ignorant religious people and block them, so I don't have to read their insane ramblings on digg ever again.
Keep it up, people! - TheDrunkMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17We know right from wrong because of God alright. We all know that God was doing the right thing when he sent bears to maul dozens of children because those little bastards laughed at a prophet for being bald.
(2 Kings 2:23-24)
23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. - Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16You can't use correlation and causation when comparing dna sequences between two species. It's not a freaking graph where you can plot data, and where one set of data can be correlated with another set of data(e.g. The rise in global temperature vs. The fall in number of pirates)
- elastikos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Cool, I just read a long article in National Geographic magazine talking about why us humans decided to stand up on 2 legs, and the advantages/disadvantages of doing so.
Here's a link about the article if you guys are interested: http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0607/feature5/ - Onechrisn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Well, Otto is right.
He's being a little bit of a jerk about it...
But he is right. - TheDrunkMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Are you saying monkeys are unconscious? That must be why they are always in comas when I visit the zoo!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13nobody cares, mmmkay? Just mark it "duplicate story" and stop spamming digg with "OMG THIS STORY WAS SUBMITTED LIKE 5 TIMES WAHHHHH". Put away your wand, dupe fairy, and go do something more productive.
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Short term memory plagues digg, evidently. - subscribtion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12And *I* want to see genetically engineered humans who can photosynthesize.
- jakatak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Digg.com is becoming more about political bashing and less about great discussions. Keep the comments pertaining to topic. Don't let this site become like /.
- Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10God must be defective then. If I were god, I'd remove this worthless appendicitis, remove those extra wisdom teech people grow because their jaw is too small, actually let people produce their own vitamin C like other animals, or better yet, give my little human subjects better immune systems because all these bacterias, parasites, and virsuses are killing a lot of people.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Your title stinks while the one posted here grabbed my attention. That's why this one made the front page....and got my digg.
- jefffm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No.
- Obsidian743, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11And our genomes are 97.9% similar to some plant species. I want to see the study on THAT.
- Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6spoilers: not everyone checks digg every minute. All because you saw it doesn't mean other people saw it.
- loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Then god must be in pain as I am from his imperfectly-designed spine. One day He's helping an angel move and the next He's flat-out on the sofa for a week.
- kendawg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10You do know this is a science-related website, right?
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Did you know humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18But are they up to the challenge of trying to identify differences between Chimps and GW Bush???
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Oh dear please stop with this god crap.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4of course he said "easier to find the ignorant religious people"... thus has a separation between ANY religious people.... and the IGNORANT religious people.
- abqjudy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I once had a professor who thought that the major difference was speech, not things like walking and tool use. Observational studies of the past decades show learning, tool use, and sign language use by different primate species. I want to know what gene differentiates all the organs of speech like tongue, vocal chords, nasal passages etc., and the parts of the brain that function during human speaking. It would be nice to know if the old guy was right.
- onewheelonly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Erm, that should have been Galileo, not Archimedes....
*D'oh* - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I love bananas
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Until this site gets some class, it won't be anything like /.
- Onechrisn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I saw that show!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112123/ - PirateFSM, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Who is this God you speak of?
- humanerror, on 04/03/2008, -0/+1Someone alert Karl Pilkington
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So the bottom line then. If you take the mickey out of God's prophets then God, an all powerful being mind you, sends bears to kill you?
Despite your analysis, do you realize just how completely ***** stupid that sounds? - ACalcutt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9reminds me of this site http://www.bushorchimp.com/
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4And if I didn't . . .
- NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ease up the hostility, I was mearly pointing out that it was a duplicate story. If anyone cared to read up on it from a more credible source, they could have used the link I provided. This is a news site if I am not mistaken, not a childish blog site.
Just trying to help point out duplicates for everyones awareness, and I agree, it is nearly impossible to know someone else submitted the same article because they don't become popular right away and too many are submitted at once to go through them all to check. - Roulette, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Next on the agenda --> Genetically modify lab rats to possess these specific genes and watch them take over the world. :)
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why is my ass swollen and red like a damn baboon then!!!
- onewheelonly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Since when did a majority make something true?
Everyone used to believe the Earth was the center of the Universe, and persecuted Archimedes when he disputed it. Does that mean everyone else was right then? - sjons, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yes Kendals, you explained it perfectly, i knew it was along those lines as my father is a hebrew professor, and i knew that the comments were rebellion and ultimately casting blasphemous scorn on God. I also realize that strait is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be that find it, and, marvel not if the world hate you because they hated Me too. Not surprising at all, just feel a mixture of gratefulness for Gods grace and sadness for those who will never find salvation.
- johntwoods, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7If by "Banana" you mean a "Tall, Curvy, Yellow Person", then you, my friend, are a racist. For shame.
- digitalbryan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Yes, consciousness or self awareness is the human trait that separates us from animals. With self awareness humans know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil and therefore can be held accountable for their own actions. Animals no nothing about conviction or integrity and they never will, not even in a billion years of 'evolution'. Animals rely on basic instincts alone....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0But what about the aliens? Aliens, I tell ya! Hel-looooo?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1You understand that it's still possible to believe in God and evolution, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church - The_Decryptor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3"Don't let this site become like /."
Until we get true threaded comments, Digg won't be like slashdot. - zerblat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1But you are still saying that your god had dozens of people killed only because of their insulting words?
- kendals, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2>2 Kings 2:23-24
>23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young >lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead;
>go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them >in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up >forty-two lads of their number.
A careful consideration of the facts, however, will dissolve the problem.
The translation, “there came forth little children out of the city” (KJV) is an unfortunate rendition (cf. “young lads”—ASV, or “youths”—NIV, NKJV). The Hebrew word rendered “children” derives from na’ar—used 235 times in the Old Testament. Na’ar is a very broad root word, and can have reference to anyone from a newborn child to an adult. Furthermore, the Hebrew word rendered “little” comes from qatan, and generally means young or small. In commenting on this term in 2 Kings 2:23, the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament remarks:
“Elisha being taunted (cf. qalas, qarah) by young lads (perhaps teen-age ruffians) (II Kgs 2:23) who as members of covenant families ought to have been taught God’s law whereby cursing his servant was tantamount to cursing him and rightly punishable by death (cf. qalal)” (Harris, et al., 1980, 2:795).
Obviously, therefore, the immediate context in which na’ar is used will determine the maturity of the subject so designated.
The young men of Bethel mocked Elisha. The Hebrew word qalas means to scoff at, ridicule, or scorn. The term does not suggest innocent conduct. Note the Lord’s comment elsewhere: ”...they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and scoffed at his prophets, until the wrath of Jehovah arose against his people, till there was no remedy” (2 Chron. 36:16).
Too, the expression, “Go up…Go up,” is held by many scholars to reflect the wish of these young men that the prophet go ahead and ascend (as did Elijah—2 Kgs. 2:11), i.e., leave the earth, that they might be rid of him! Also, the taunt, “thou bald head,” was likely a reproach. Old Testament scholar John Whitcomb has suggested that this was an expression “of extreme contempt. They were pronouncing a divine curse upon him, for which baldness was often the outward sign (cf. Isa. 3:17a, 24)” (1971, p. 68).
When it is said that Elisha “cursed them,” there is no implication of profanity (as our modern word suggests), nor was this a venting of passion for personal revenge. Holy men of God sometimes were empowered with divine authority to pronounce an impending judgment upon rebellious persons (cf. Gen. 9:25; 49:7; Deut. 27:15ff; Josh. 6:26). Christ uttered a curse upon the barren fig tree (Mk. 11:21) as an object lesson that previewed the doom that was to be visited upon Jerusalem. Also, it is clearly stated that Elisha’s curse upon them was “in the name of the Lord,” meaning by “divine appointment, inspiration, authority” (see Orr, 1956, 4:2112).
The tragedy that befell these young men obviously was of divine design. Elisha, as a mere man, would have possessed no power to call forth wild animals out of the woods merely at his bidding. But the sovereignty of Jehovah over the animal kingdom frequently is affirmed in the Scriptures. God sent fiery serpents to bite the Israelites (Num. 21:6); the Lord slew a disobedient young prophet by means of a lion (1 Kgs. 13:24ff.). Jehovah shut the lions’ mouths to protect Daniel (Dan. 6:22). He prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah (Jon. 1:17), and guided one to Peter’s hook (Mt. 17:24ff). Clearly, therefore, it was the Lord God who brought those bears out of the forest.
And so, if, when the divine record says that the bears “tare” the lads, it means they were killed (and not all scholars are sure that death is indicated), then it was a divine punishment. As Alfred Edersheim has written: ”...it should be noticed that it was not Elisha who slew those forty-two youths, but the Lord in His Providence, just as it had been Jehovah, not the prophet, who had healed the waters of Jericho” (n.d., 6:107).
It is the general view of conservative Bible scholars that the young men of Bethel likely were idolaters, and that, as such, their reproaches upon Elisha were expressions of contempt for his prophetic office, thus, ultimately directed at the God whom he served. The were entirely responsible for their actions. Their punishment, therefore, was a divine judgment intended to serve as a dramatic example of rebellion in horribly wicked times. It affords no comfort to modern skepticism! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10the average American is 99.9% similar to some plant species, hence the name "couch potato"
- duddles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0You might be interested in reading about the FOXP2 gene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOXP2 - abqjudy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I came back after reading this because first glance left me wordless. I re read the article and all the comments and can't discern any relevance to this exegesis of Old Testament passage. It seems to be drawn from a textbook or ?????
What does it have to do with scientific discovery of gene differentiation among species?
Are you trying to infer that modern science mocks divine intention? Or am I stretching too far in my puzzlement?
I am a believer: that God created all, including minds of men who could discover his creation over time. I have no trouble believing in a creator and in the scientific discoveries through out intellectual development over long periods of time.
I do have trouble with those who try to use biblical text analysis as commentary on science, if that is what you are attempting to do here. I have close relationships with many Jewish, Catholic, and other Christian theological scholars, and few of them would put do anything but chuckle quietly at this offering, and shake their heads in bemusement. They, as I, would pray for your enlightenment. And pray for continued advancements in science that improve the understanding and appreciation of the universe in all its glory. - davidmora70, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I'm religions, but you have to admit that "reason" has taken a beating at the hands of religion in the last few decades. In the US, Christianity has targeted evolution, carbon dating, genetics, etc... why? Because in the marketplace of ideas, faith sells better when reason is in doubt.
- starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2>You can't use correlation and causation when comparing
>dna sequences between two species. It's not a freaking
>graph where you can plot data, and where one set of data
>can be correlated with another set of data(e.g. The rise in
>global temperature vs. The fall in number of pirates)
didn't seem to me they were implying causation. seemed like they were pretty straight forward in calling it loosey goosey. anyway. i don't know why people have to insult our nearest reletive with GW references. :D - sroske, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2consciousnes is the key missing ingredient often forgotten
- a1programmer, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7God has everything to do with everything. God makes sience work.
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