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- tysat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Well it also seems strange that you assume he teaches Economics just because he teaches at the London School of Economics. He is actually a Professor of Philosophy.
- rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31if everyone used oral sex then we wouldn't have these problems.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Medical Ethics isn't a science. The author of this paper isn't a scientist. He's a philosophy professor:
"Moral and Political Philosophy; Philosophy of Economics; Philosophy of Public Policy; Bayesian Epistemology; Rational Choice Theory; Social Choice Theory; Voting Theory"
http://www.lse.ac.uk/people/l.bovens@lse.ac.uk/ - loup, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20This article is a little misleading. The Catholic Church doesn't approve of any form of contraception, the "Rhythm Method" (also known as Natural Family Planning) is supported by the church as a way to promote conception. The same method can be used to also reduce the chances of conception, the Catholic Church does not support its use in this manner
- TexMachina, on 10/12/2007, -14/+30I was about to submit the same story from Science Blog.
It sounds like this would be the a good hypothesis for a proper scientific study. But after reading the article it appears like there hasn't been a study at all but they decided to go public now for political reasons. It's like they want the pro-life people to look like hypocrites so badly they skipped the whole scientific method bit.
No digg for bad science. - roger_lew, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I don't think you understand the "design" of oral contraceptives. They function by preventing ovulation. Therefore there is no egg, no fertilization, and no embryo. They do nothing "INTENTIONALLY" to embryos b/c there are no embryos to speak of.
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Reminds me of the old joke...
What do you call a woman who uses the rhythm method? Pregnant! - kurtcocain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Geeks replying to Digg posts all day reduces chances of sex, therefore reducing chances of conception
- bat-21, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I never understood why anyone would get reproductive advice from an organization of old men that like to screw little boys.
- Ryland, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I guess it's OK for ignorant amateur bioethicists to discuss reproductive policy, as long as they're Christians fighting for the unborn. Otherwise, not so much.
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Look at the top of the page, genius. See where is says:
home » SCIENCE » Rhythm Method May Kill More Embryos Then Other Contraception
Eh?
Now go to the front page and look on the right side. See the Browse By Catagory box? See the word "Science" in it? - t3hNinj4, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18I'm a Roman Catholic, I have been since before I was born. 'Cause the one thing they say about catholics is, they'll take you as soon as you're warm! You don't have to be a six-footer; you don't have to have a great brain; you don't have to have any pants on, while, you're a Catholic the moment dad came!
Because: Every sperm is sacred! Every sperm is great! If, a sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate!
Every sperm is sacred! Every sperm is great! If, a sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate!
Let the heathens spill theirs, on the dusty ground... God will make them pay, for each sperm that can't be found! - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I've got no problem with arguing for abstinance, but it's dishonest to imply that condoms have no benefit.
- jeaguilar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think it's worth noting that: a) The Catholic Church supports conception, not contraception, although it is fair to say that the Church encourages married couples to avoid conception if they prayerfully consider that choice. I've sometimes found the distinction to be subtle. The difference is that the posture is one of openness to life, even at the sake of what we might consider convenient or expedient. 2) The "Rhythm Method" has long been discounted as a practical NFP method. Methods taught these days are scientifically based and generally involve learning to recognize the symptoms of ovulation and effects of the menstrual cycle. There is a good primer from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops here: http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/nfp/myths.shtml.
- macathlintosh, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20I'll agree with you're first statement, but "this is the 21st century"? you might as well say "but mom I'm 13". It's a total red herring. Fact is every Christian religion taught that condoms were immoral before the 1920's. Catholics are the only ones that actually stand up for what they believe. And you hate them because they won't sell out for an irrelevant "Buddy Jesus" mentality. That kind of animosity toward the Catholic Church is what's making it more relevant every day.
- bubbagump, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A couple of pet peeves:
First, no one uses the 'Rhythm Method" any more -- It is unreliable. The Rhythm would use a calendar to determine the dates a woman is fertile. The menstrual cycle isn't that predictable. Some women are fertile the day that menstruation stops, some have a few days between the end of menses before the 'fertile' time begins...So fertility can not be determined using a calendar.
The method used today is based on physical indicators such as temperature changes and the quality of certain body fluids to determine when a woman ovulates. The current NFP (Natural Family Planning) system is at least as reliable as barrier methods (condoms)
The NFP system also makes a husband & wife closer (sorry if it offends you...I believe sex is between a married couple -- I waited 23 years until I found the woman of my dreams, and I think anyone who has a looser moral code is missing out on something really special) ...since there is a cooperation between the two to take some control of family planning, and love-making is unrestricted.
Remember NFP is based on doctrine...God chooses weather a fertilized egg implants, and is allowed to mature into a baby. Using artificial methods takes God out of the equation. It puts the human being in the drivers seat, and tells God to take the next bus. Telling God to shove off is what religious organizations find offensive, not that a fetus dies naturally. - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8actually, macathlintosh, that's exactly it. it seems to me that the moment you abandon everything you stand for, the argument is lost.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i wouldnt get in a kids-havin' contest with catholics if i were you
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5ok kurt, we're going deeper into your cave, and you see your power animal...
visualize your pain as a white ball of healing light. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6now your just splitting hairs.
your saying it takes some totally reprehensible comment to push a catholic to violence, meaning they must generally be good poeple, since i'd assume you think of the catholic way of life as means of producing a good person.
you never stopped to think that maybe this guy making the threats was just a ***** nut job to begin with? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+19the catholic church murders 1000's of people every year by refusing to supply and teach africans how to use condoms through their many missionary organisations, simply because it's clashes with their screwed up ideologies.
telling people not to have sex is about effective as telling a gay person not to be gay. if there is one glaring lession you should ALL have learnt by now is that you can NOT repress your sexuality. - justinvt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Dude - Digg hasn't been a purely tech site ever. Have you been a member here for a while??? I am assuming yes, so why would this surprise you.
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13I really hate this dishonest argument, TB. Of course you CAN still get HIV/STDs/pregnancy with a condom. But what are the probablities with and without? If you were playing Russian Roulette, would you play with the revolver containing 1 bullet, or the revolver containing 5?
By your logic we should get rid of seatbelts and airbags since they are not 100% lifesavers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8how do you know it was something reprehensible, he never posted what he said. your just jumping to conculsions based on the stupid bias that all catholics are good people and would only violate the churches moral code in the most dire of circumstances.
well good sir, i hate to give you a reality check but you aren't good people, in fact i've foundcatholics to generally be the most narrow minded, intolerant pricks on this earth. - rhettnyedotorg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7a paper close to where I live had a funny headline: "Rhythm Method Slammed"
http://www.canada.com/vancouverisland/nanaimo/story.html?id=652fb856-2ef5-4f05-bcbe-9f239965a3e9 - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14"if all oral contraceptive users converted to the rhythm method, they would be effectively causing the deaths of millions of embryos"
This appears to ignore the abortifacient function of many oral contraceptives. If he is so concerned about the integrity of embryonic life, then he is ignoring what this class of contraceptives INTENTIONALLY do to embryos (i.e.: by design).
His IF argument doesn't hold up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortifacient - fraserspeirs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Awesome. I thought I was about to go a whole four hours without seeing some anti-Christianity article on Digg. Thanks for not letting that happen.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4haven't you been listening, according to the church people can just stop having sex till 25! it's like magic!
- macathlintosh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Actually, celibate men (and I mean those who are actually celibate) have a unique and uncluttered view of sexuality. They don't get into "can't see the forest for the trees" trouble. Read anything that the John Paul II wrote on sexuality and you'll be surprised at his insights.
- SpyDerMann, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Rythm Method? What century does this guy live in? The method proposed today by the Catholic Church is the Billings method.
- allthewhile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well said, Bubbagump. It's good to see that there are some thoughtful catholics on digg. Many Christians who use condoms or other methods of birth control, and don't hold the same theology of the body that Catholics do, refuse to use oral contraceptives because it is an abortafacient.
And to the gentleman that complained that we wouldn't choose to use modern medicine, you clearly don't understand the logic of the issue. Catholics, and I being one of them, see oral contraceptives as the opposite of medication. The purpose of medication is to fix or heal something that isn't working correctly. The purpose of oral contraceptives are to disrupt the normal and healthy menstration cycle of a woman. - shimavak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Got to love Monty Python!
- DPyro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6come on, kurtcocain, its stereotypes like these that stop us geeks from getting laid ;)
Give it a few more years. Girls will appreciate our ability to make anything flashy and bright work (they emit eeps! of delight, as in my phone works, eep! or my ddr pad works, eep!), and will come to enjoy our dextrous, subtle, and sensous fingers.
Besides, we got the late night stamina and $$$. Jocks got steroids that shrink the package. I'm confident we'll come out ahead. You always hear about the adventures of Big Man Barry, but how did humans become so intelligent compared to the rest of the animals? Obviously, someone's been working the gene pool ;) - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"if there is one glaring lession you should ALL have learnt by now is that you can NOT repress your sexuality."
Historically, it is precisely that kind of repression of natural sexual energy (normal, default, hetero sex....) -- that made it possible for those fundamentalist maniacs to become so violent and murderous toward others. Only sexual energy, when blocked, can produce such a creatve kind of murderous intent and repression!
The repression is their primary stock in trade...manipulating the ignorant masses who believe in their skewed 'heaven' - drwh0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think you're right. The article is trying to prove that the rhythm method causes more embryos to die when in fact this has bearing on the catholic beliefs whatsoever. Of course there will be some eggs that may be fertalized that never implant properly. People die all the time of natural causes. My understanding is that the catholic beliefs are to give every embryo a chance. If they die, well it wasn't God's will for it to live.
- kurtcocain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5ha, now i found you...you'll never insult the vatican again after i get a hold of you!
- ChuyMatt, on 10/12/2007, -20/+23EEEEEVRY SPERM IS SACRID/ EVERY SPERM is GREAT... EEEF A SPERM IS WAISTED, GOD GETS QUITE IREATE!!
- macathlintosh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9You think it's funny that you were able to say something that was so reprehensible that it caused someone to violate their own belief system as a reaction to your comment? I'd say that's at least a little odd.
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4macathlintosh, if the guy was making violent threats then clearly violent threats are not against his personal belief system.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This person doesn't understand Catholic theology. Catholic leaders see a difference between an embryo that dies of natural causes and one that is actively killed. This study won't influence Catholic leaders' thinking.
- seripd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well, the conclusion in the article is actually very reasonable considering what is currently known about fertility and embryo implantation. Except that the current rhythm method often relies on tracking ovulation by a woman's LH surge. With this method it is possible to track ovulation and refrain from intercourse during these times. Then again lack of a scientific study doesn't mean bad science, it just means no one is willing to fund the research.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4EVERY SPERM IS SACRIED!
- Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It is my belief that the Catholic Church's active supression of all contraceptive methods for the last 400 years is a major contributing factor to the amount of poverty in Central and South America and many areas of East Asia (basically, anywhere that was once a Spanish or French colony).
- RequiemAristos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Waterdragon, etc.
There's a difference between "kill" and "murder". People like to simplify the commandment to use the word "kill", but the word on the stone tablets translates to "murder".
This is also why the Church has theories on "just war", because sometimes, war is necessary. (E.g., it wasn't in Iraq, but was back when some Austrian kid decided Germany needed more space.) - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3well thanks for the cosolation. however, i don't hold anything (much) against the dude, he probably thought what he was doing was right. however, i'm not gonna attempt to sway him when i may have personally identifying ***** in my profile.
@waterdragon the vatican opposed the war in iraq. glacially, it's turning into a less and less terrible institution by the day... - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2kurtcocain said: "Second, most people are "catholic" b/c most of europe and latin america is catholic -- they're just kind of born into it and couldn't really give a flying *****."
Nice name, but....
OMG WTF? LMFAO -- You just excluded most of the people in China, the middle east, and much of Africa!
Are they not people?
Dork! - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah, Nailbunny ... one prob I always noticed with the Vatican is...they say that their 'god' taught 'thou shalt NOT KILL", but yet they never come out and tell all their followers that they may NOT go to WAR!. They are just full of internal contradictions
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Condoms are, to sex, what instant messaging is to meeting in person.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3it was three words that "drove" him to the edge. not directed at him.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I laugh at the catholics in this discussion for their closed minded goodness."
what do you call that?
trolling, or an opinion? -
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