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- cody50, on 10/12/2007, -1/+53The dumb ones are like "if I screw up, well, ***** it. oo! the games on!"
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -14/+56Only on digg can you have users turn every article into a anti-Bush rant.
"Awesome new screenshots for HALO 6"
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Doesn't it ever get old or is it cool to be immature now? - drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32I had something clever to say, but you people keep staring at me. I can't handle it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21kevin.gc, correlation does not imply causation.
- bwd01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20In response to the last paragraph of the article:
It's well known in academia that an SAT score isn't a valid indicator of future success in college. The only metric it correlates with is whether or not the student will drop out during the first year of college. After that, SAT score has no correlation with future GPA.
So this study concurs with other studies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13maybe he meant under 500 on each section...
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13When I was working on a trading desk, the people who didn't think about it were better at getting orders to market simply because they didn't think about the consequences of getting it wrong, they just hit enter and backed themselves to get it right.
- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Antisocial people just seem more intelligent because they devote their time to developing skills in mind-bogglingly dull and complex tasks instead of having fun a getting laid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12In other news, dumb people oblivious to consequences of their actions. See Cops. World's Scariest Car Chases and whatever other reality programming is on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I call ***** on that. The lowest SAT score you can get if you leave the answer sheet entirely blank is 400 (or at least it was when I took the SATs). The average is about 1,000. There's absolutely NO WAY that someone who is not mentally disabled would get such a low score (unless they did it on purpose).
- merm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Excellent. I'm putting this on my resume as a personal asset of mine:
"Still doesn't give a ***** even under high pressure to achieve." - gaYak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6mm, out of interest, does this reflect on people's social capability as well? People who are too brainy don't get chicks because they freez up before they get to start and relax..?
Then again, most people would say that living around computers makes people bad with social skills, but maybe there's a reason why some people end up in this non-social-behaviour, and not just because they're weird, but because they are 'afraid' of new social situations, thinking too much..
Well, at least there's hope for every nerd to be .. smart? yaiks. - eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Personally, I think the whole "the SAT doesn't really measure anything" mentality is just a way for people to make themselves feel better for not doing well. (ie. "I'm just not a good test taker") No, you just don't know the material. There's a question and an answer. Either you know that answer or you don't, end of story.
Of course, there's a lot of things the SAT doesn't measure such as work ethic, motivation, etc, but it was never meant to measure those things. It does, however, measure knowledge of basic HS subjects and, to some degree, logical reasoning which, whether you like it or not, are important in college. - Butros, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5He never indicated any causality, he just noted the correlation between higher SAT, better school. Better school correlates with high income or whatever. But statistics are not hard and fast rules, and no one should be discouraged because they're not academically inclined enough to succeed at school. Likewise, people that get high SAT scores might not find succeeding in school or even after it to be a given (trust me on that ;) ).
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5On the contrary, I work better under pressure. It's likely because I'm quite emotionless and indifferent, so perhaps because I'm under pressure, it motivates me?
- bntphoretwunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5it's been my observation that many intelligent people are antisocial. my roomate in college was a programming whiz, and only had maybe 2 friends outside of me the entire 2 years that he was there.
- Everman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In regards to admissions tests: The problem is that we need some kind of standardized way to measure applicant's abilities because there are just too many to sort through. I am opposed to making a single number on exams like the MCAT, LSAT, etc. such a major determinant. I think if we had more ways to measure ability and lessened the impact of such exams, then people might be more relaxed when taking them, which according to the article, would help out the smarter people who just choke under the extreme pressure. IE: if we had 5 equally weighted measurements, you'd feel less pressure since it's 20% of the whole instead of about 90%. I mean, you can get a 180 on the lsat with a 2.5 gpa and still go anywhere you want.
- Elrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3lumnar:
Except that (at least when I took it) every wrong answer resulted in a quarter-point deduction. This was intended to counteract the "25% free" random-chance factor. - evilTak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The HWM (high working memory) people's performance degraded under pressure, but it was still equivalent to the performance of an LWM (low working memory) person.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9The valedictorian of my high school got under 500 on her SATs. And she was smart as a whip.
- crash331, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This happens to me at work. If I have someone staring down my neck, I lock up and can't function. If they give me breathing room, I can do 2x the work of everyone else.
- reject, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But, do those who are labeled, "smart people," create their own, artificial, pressure, which is more prominent and more demanding than the stress of, "real-world," activities?
Plus, I call shenanigans on the belief that those with high working-memory are necessarily, "smarter," just as someone who cannot recall the face or name of the person they just met is not necessarily, "dumber." It's all relevant, whether to the individual or the circumstances the individual is in.
I can't accurately recall the steps in a math problem as I'm performing it, but other tasks are pretty easy, such as writing or reading comprehension. Besides, I think someone who can drive a stick shift is more qualified to be considered intelligent than someone who depends on an automatic; and I depend on an automatic. Intelligence is relevant to the individual and the individual's circumstances and surroundings. Place anyone considered a, "smart person," who has never done manual labor, into a concentrated scenario for mechanized work, and they'll be either cursing their co-workers, or praising them for their ability to work in that manner. /rant. - PsypherX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm in Mensa (no, really), and I perform adequately well under pressure. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. But, given that it's been proven that most geniuses lack common sense (at least in some aspects), the propensity to screw up due to a rather obvious oversight is greater than someone who doesn't sweat the details as much. We're also know to second-guess ourselves quite frequently.
- dmurray14, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3VERY interesting article. Seems to make a lot of sense. I don't consider myself to be a genius, but it is definitely a lot harder for me to think through problems under pressure, and I usually end up taking a lot longer on a problem than I normally would without constraints.
Thanks for sharing. - jaiwithani, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6kevin.gc is right. It's a artifically imposed causation, but causation nonetheless. People who get higher SAT scores are arbitarily more likely to have more opportunities because of those scores. It's why people keep obsessing over the test, even though it's useless for measuring much anything important.
- juheimbu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree. I seem to forget how to type when someone (especially a high-level manager) is looking over my shoulder. I find myself worrying more about what impact my success or failure in a situation like that will have on my career than on fixing whatever problem has caused the higher-ups to congregate in my cube.
- jofu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree masamunecyrus, I've always thrived under pressure and I've always been in the 95+ percentile on standardized testing. Does that make me an anomaly?
- PsypherX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think driving a manual transmission is more a matter of hand-eye-foot coordination than simple intelligence. How many rednecks do you know rely on automatic transmissions?
- p1mpjuice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah emotion and work get in the way of life. Sometimes I think that I should feel bad for not caring, but then I go back to playing (not WOW). But it's weird how I'll only start working on the last night before things are due.
- Olex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This article is dumb. Check this passage out:
"When they begin to worry, then they’re in trouble," Beilock told LiveScience. "People with lower working-memory capacities are not using that capacity to begin with, so they’re not affected by pressure."
So, they are saying: "stupid people don't use brains, so they don't choke."
Wow, what a great finding that is. - datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think alot of it has to do with the fact that people who retain more volumes of information have to pour through more information than people with less mental abilities. In a stressful situation, having to go through every possible permutation is likely to cause someone to think longer about a decision and "choke"
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3What the hell guys I have a Calculus III final exam in 3 hours! Now I am really under pressure!
- harrisonpowers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wouldn't have 'known' a mensa would get typos.
- yahoofrom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Time to do throw away SAT.
Time to embrace Mathematical Olympiads. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course it does not. Future dropouts and future sucesses depend on character. Short of spending time with a person, there aren't many ways to learn their character. It can, however, show "if this person has good character, this is how likely they are to go [this far]."
But aside from all that, this is my #1 objection to lie detectors. Guys in suits asking probing, personal questions looking to find me guilty. I'm innocent, and supposed to be viewed as such from the start. I certainly know I won't feel that way hooked up to a machine reading symptoms trying to guess at the cause. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1then again, by putting so much pressure on a student to succeed, the SAT tests their ability to succeed under pressure. And pressure is common in college and in one's career. I'd rather be able to do well under pressure than claim to do exceptionally given an ideal, relaxed work environment. Because that doesn't exist in real life.
- mahler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Then it depends on what you perceive as intelligent, doesn't it?
I think it means that you are mentally capable of deciding on a conscious level, what would make you happy. Whereas the rest of the world would most probably perceive it as being able to make decisions to get the most power. - Punisher2K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Me too!!
- lumnar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Especially if you consider the fact that roughly 20-25% (multiple choice, but I can't remember if there were 4 or 5 choices) of the answers you'll randomly get for free.
- Metasquares, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You should work this into your preparation routine if this applies to you. Study near the test, but NOT THE NIGHT BEFORE, and walk into the test confident that you really know the material. You're probably going to be nervous before the test, but the key is to be calm *during* the test.
- Ubermensch423, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@egisow
i go to harvard and did well on standardized tests, but i am of the opinion that these tests do not reflect upon one's intelligence. the caveat to my opinion is that a high score most likely means one is intelligent, but a low score does not necessarily mean one is unintelligent. i have friends who did not score very high on the sat or act and i find them capable of more profound and complex reasoning than some of my friends that scored very high. while some use this justification as an excuse for themselves, from my experience, conversing and interacting with a person often gives one a better sense of another's intellectual faculties than a test score does. - allnightbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not me, baby. I'm clutch. All night, baby.
- hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Dohhh! "It's all in their horoscope..." "It's all in their fate...." As if people don't change. "
Another nature vs nurture argument. "People are the way they are because of their genetics" vs. "people are the way they are because of their environment."
Both ignore that people also change due to spiritual influences ... what you hold in your heart. There's no reason any of us can't be smart, physically adept, emotionally stable, and caring -- though it may take time and help.
The Nazis say it's genetics so they impose eugenics and genocide.
The Commies say it's environment so they impose social controls and great walls (*).
(* - iron curtain, bamboo curtain, great firewall of china, etc)
Evolutionists are more like the Nazis. "Survival of the fittest...."
Elitists are more like the Commies. "Only our group is worthy...."
We can break out of the limitations others put on us, such as: "the statistics say it's likely this or that." A little practice and a little prayer go a long way toward overcoming limitations.
Another way to overcome: don't believe just what you're told, even by your mother or your teacher. Most people are cons because they've been conned themselves and pass it on. Check things out and keep what makes a difference.
As for elitists who want to class other's potential by SAT scores or number of years of college... it's just another chain they try to heap on. Aristocrats need serfs or slaves to survive. Don't get sucked in. - Himself, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not me. Sometimes a ton of "pressure" is a good motivator. People who are stressed more easily or more often live less long. Stress is as "real" as peer pressure.
- zeratum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Or alternatively, just pop a viccodin before the midterm.
- Andero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Should say "People who worry crack under pressure"
I'm smart, I just don't worry about exams and stuff and I do well. My lack of worry frees up space in my short-term memory, I guess. - josegutz, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4They choke because there is usually have someone elses hands around their necks choking them after they have corrected them one too many times and challenged your intelligence.
- kevin.gc, on 10/12/2007, -19/+9I think the SAT score might have something to do with future success, since it's used as a metric for college admissions.
It seems that better than average colleges require higher than average SAT scores. Thus, although it doesn't mean you're smarter than average, scoring better on the SAT gets you into a better college, which could lead to better things, perhaps non-academic, later in life. - szelij, on 10/12/2007, -50/+28I guess Dubya has nothing to worry about....
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