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Police To Use Injection For Subduing Unruly People

wsmv.com — Metro police have the option of calling for a needle loaded with a strong sedative [Versed] to control the most unruly people they encounter on the street.

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BrapAllgood, on 07/12/2008, -7/+222'"The drug has an amnesia effect, and we use that therapeutically because one of the nice ways to take care of the discomfort is to make people forget that they've had it," said biomedical ethics and law enforcement expert Dr. Steven Miles.'

OH, JOY. At least you won't remember...whatever it is that they do to you. ***** yay.

Nope. No police state here.
- Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -5/+21yea that means all kinds of bad stuff. lets say they had to use it on a woman. some cops will think well why not? she's not gonna remember it. and he's right.
  - sparsely, on 07/14/2008, -2/+5The cops aren't the ones administering the shot. They call for paramedics. You didn't read the article, did you?
  - Mpwns, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2yes but lets think about this, by the time they get there with the shot the unruly person should already be in the back seat with thier legs tied.meaning whats the point of the shot then? cops are gonna end up with it to save time and money sooner or later. and even if he is'nt already tied up they have to control the person before giving the shot, adding that to it makes this shot pointless. and by the looks of it 14 other people also think this way.
- Spudster, on 07/14/2008, -5/+22This is such a violation of individual cognitive liberty.
- microchp, on 07/14/2008, -11/+7Hrmmm... It means that more people will do things from a distance and put more thought into it. I predict more people sniping police from a distance. I know that is an aweful prediction, but it is usually true when things like this happen. The question is, did they do this on purpose knowing that might be the outcome thereby thrusting the nation into military law?
  
  Interesting either way. It will be entertaining to see the various outcomes from this.
- sporg, on 07/14/2008, -5/+4You wont remember anything but you might wake up in Room 101.
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -2/+2What's in Room 101?
    
    You know what's in Room 101, Winston.
    Everyone knows what's in Room 101.
- megamod, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6The name of the drug sounds like Shazam's evil nemesis
  
  "Midazolam what are you doing??? you're going to kill all those people"
- fool13, on 07/14/2008, -11/+4They aren't using it on random people, it's for those who are fighting back. Sounds good to me, even if you have done nothing wrong you don't fight the police. You come quietly and sort everything out at the station. If you're that ***** stupid to fight them then you deserve it.
  - gordonrp, on 07/14/2008, -2/+11Well..... we've all seen the video of some lady getting tazered during a traffic stop (she is hysterical).... the point is that a lot of cops (not all) simply don't have the skills to correctly handle situations and resort to pulling out a weapon of some sort.
    
    I know a lot of women who get hysterical about things, now I can just see stories of people getting "put to sleep" during a traffic stop.
  - SillyDigger, on 07/14/2008, -1/+10You sheeps sure tolerate a lot.
  - actorboy, on 07/14/2008, -0/+7Yeah, except that some people have life threatening reaction to certain medications. Oh, and then there's that whole being drugged by your government problem.
  - fool13, on 07/14/2008, -5/+1But theres a difference between someone being hysterical and fighting. Ever seen a show like COPS where the idiots are throwing punches at cops to the point that it takes 5 people to restrain them? Those are the ones that would get put to sleep... I seriously doubt someone who is crying is going to get that. With that said, people need to stop being so paranoid, I'm a sheep because if I get pulled over I'm going to cooperate? So then you're a moron for fighting back. The police are the law, you don't fight them. If you do then you deserve whatever it is you get.
- evilsnoopi3, on 07/14/2008, -1/+7I think the point, at least in the context of THAT particular quote, is that colinoscopies are horribly painful business that people generally consent to in a purely rational context (ie a medical setting). So, in that case, the amnesia effect is good because it makes people forget the pain they had to endure for maintaining there own health. The problem is that they are now using an amnesia inducing on an unsuspecting populace, which I agree is bad.
- billbugger, on 07/14/2008, -1/+4But your ass will!
2bsbc, on 07/12/2008, -5/+109"I woke up -- I don't know how much time had passed -- with a sergeant standing over me telling me to sign here. I didn't know what I was signing Ms. (Channel 4 I-Team reporter Demetria) Kalodimos. I just signed a piece of paper and was immediately right back out"

Ya, perfectly good idea. Give a bunch of attention/control seeking cops the capability to main line someone with the equivalent of an atomic GHB. It won't be long until the assholes treat it like an opportunity to enact their own little first night rule, Prima Nocta.

Think long and hard about who's side you're on.
"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!"
- DreKor, on 07/14/2008, -0/+24Speaking of GHB, how long will it take for this stuff to start disappearing from police inventory and end up on the street? I like narcotics as much as the next guy, but government sanctioned date-rape drugs sound like a bad idea to me. Ecstasy started out as a legitimate pharmaceutical, but was black listed after it got out in the wild. I foresee a similar trajectory for this stuff.
  - MrWhite7, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3everything started out as a legit pharmaceutical.
- draegloth, on 07/14/2008, -10/+3Would have been so much more effective if you hadn't quoted that ***** crazy lunatic who doesn't believe the holocaust happened.
  - crazy0, on 07/14/2008, -2/+1meh
  - DreKor, on 07/14/2008, -0/+8In William Wallace's defense, the Holocaust hadn't happened yet.
Catspaw, on 07/13/2008, -9/+53I think this is a sign that the criminal government is working towards forcing dangerous vaccinations on to people during a government-sponsored pandemic and using this kind of operation to try and make it acceptable to poke needles into people.
- fuzzmeister, on 07/14/2008, -9/+7Government-sponsored pandemic? I think you watch too much sci-fi. The foundation of the US, and really the entire world, is the economy, and can you imagine what would happen to the economy under such a "pandemic"? People in government often tend to be greedy, and thus won't do too much to hurt their own wallets.
  - seraph582, on 07/14/2008, -0/+5It's true. The only thing anyone cares about is money. Why hurt what continues to give you money. . .
    
    Makes no sense.
- LittleDas, on 07/14/2008, -7/+6As of this comment, I'm the only person to digg you down.
  
  Am I really the only one here who thinks it might be unlikely the government is going to start an epidemic and then force dangerous vaccination on people?
  - seraph582, on 07/14/2008, -3/+4Absolutely not. Man, I think digg's entering a new era. I remember when diggers were level headed and used their brains. Why the ***** would a money-motivated government spread a pandemic on their own people.... Baffling.
    
    edit: and how would they convince the country's *entire* police force to go along w/ injecting people with the stuff.
  - BishkekBuddy, on 07/14/2008, -1/+8That's exactly what the Jews said when they first started hearing about the death camps... "why would they kill their work force? They need us... no, they can't be killing us... it makes no sense."
  - LittleDas, on 07/16/2008, -0/+1bishkekbuddy, that's ***** retarded
    what ***** sense does it make for a government ostensibly made of people and not hell-monsters to attack its own population when there's absolutely nothing to be gained? The only true parallel of a gov't randomly damaging itself is the Soviet Union during the stalinist purges. Does the United States seem like that to you? Had a friend or family member dragged off to the work camps have you? No? Didn't ***** think so.
    
    Jesus christ, you're what's wrong with digg. Undereducated and overly sensational.
- Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -1/+5but he does have some what of point. there seems to be a pill out there for anything thats bothering you. if thats not enough money why not make some new ones so they can make new pills.
- Filksinger, on 07/14/2008, -2/+0I don't even understand what you are suggesting the government and police will do. Your evil government plot seems to go like this: Government secretly creates deadly plague. Government produces vaccine. Large numbers of people say, "Hell, no! You won't give me a vaccine! I'd rather have the plague!" The government then has the police chase these people down and shoots them with vaccine darts. The crowd finds this acceptable, because police have been shooting criminals with darts for years, and the same people who were dying in droves from the plague that they refused to take a vaccine against will find it perfectly acceptable to be shot full of it by cops aiming weapons at them.
  
  Creating non-lethal weapons for cops for crowd control? OK, fine. Creating non-lethal weapons for ordinary people as a ploy to take their guns away from them? If you say so. Creating non-lethal weapons for cops so that the people will get so used to being shot by cops that they won't resist evil vaccination attempts by force to stop a plague the government created in the first place? Uh....
Hangly, on 07/13/2008, -1/+38Have you ever experienced the sensation of missing time?

Another slice of sweet potato pie, please.
- BrapAllgood, on 07/13/2008, -1/+9That movie *rules*. Nice.
  - Hangly, on 07/13/2008, -0/+11That's from the X Files.
    
    Jose Chung's "From Outer Space," written by Darren Morgan. Best Ep in the series :D
  - BrapAllgood, on 07/13/2008, -0/+12After I posted, I decided I was having a bad memory. I don't watch much of anything for entertainment anymore. My bad.
    
    I was thinking of The Machinist, tho. And it does rule. :)
alapoet, on 07/13/2008, -3/+65Police state coercion is an ugly thing.
- dannyboy3020, on 07/14/2008, -13/+3Huh?
  
  This is practiced in one city, and has only been used 9 times total in two years. It is indeed troubling...but don't pull out your guns just yet.
  - mOdQuArK, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17Sounds like they're trying it out. If it becomes "acceptable", I think you can pretty much count on the practice spreading across the country.
MarkEarhart, on 07/13/2008, -6/+41Give them a heavy injection of lead or copper through the throat or the forehead before they have the chance.
- chispito, on 07/14/2008, -14/+5So you're saying people should shoot police officers so they can't stick you with a needle?
  
  And people dugg you up?
  - Ultrace, on 07/14/2008, -0/+16I'm not saying I necessarily agree with him, but let's look at the situation -- police officers will be injecting people with a sedative with a known amnesiac effect. Enough people don't trust the police as it is, do they then want to be drugged and potentially abused by them without even their own memory as evidence?
  - mike17032, on 07/14/2008, -11/+1Well this story is full of 12 year olds and moonbats, so of course they dugg him up.
    
    They arnt smart enough to figure out its easy to avoid getting the injection, dont resist arrest.
  - draegloth, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4Yeah, just go along with whatever you government wants you to do.
    
    Revolution? No, no.... We're not giving you cake! No guillotine's needed here. Just get back inside, turn on the TV, and close the shades. We'll let you know when it's morning so you can come out and smell the roses.
    
    People will only be pushed so far before they realize that the real power is with the masses. This kind of thing is just another drop in the bucket. The more comfortable they make us, the less we're going to notice or make a fuss about the heinous things they do.
- Typhoon2009, on 07/14/2008, -4/+2This is Digg, I'd say maybe .0001% of the userbase would actually dare kill a man.
  - yayintertubes, on 07/14/2008, -1/+7I feel so alone.
- GovContractor, on 07/14/2008, -6/+1I wonder... If Mark needed the cops, would he refuse to call 911 on principle?
  
  What the hell are cops supposed to do when they can't even use non-lethal means to subdue someone?
  
  Then again... If it's ok for for the suspect to shoot the cop to avoid being subdued, it's gotta be ok for the cop to shoot the suspect... Right?
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -0/+0I'm more ok with a cop shooting me than sticking me with a needle.
  - ammundsen, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3Non lethal used to mean getting the 10 fat-ass cops who show up to even a simple traffic stop to man handle someone. Now it means electrocuting or drugging someone.
    
    Policing is less dangerous than construction work. And part of the problem is that since America has criminalized so much human behavior people easily experience righteous indignation at the fact that their every action has been made illegal.
  - GovContractor, on 07/15/2008, -0/+0Something tells me that if 10 cops were forcing a suspect into submission there would be just as much outrage.
    
    There is NO PC way of taking down a suspect that doesn't want to surrender. There will always be some level of violence. I understand the concern about abuse. Some cops will abuse whatever power they are given. These individuals are assholes and should be fired or more. You need to give the good cops who just want to do their jobs and go home to their families (alive) some slack. If not, I suggest you strap on a gun and badge and get to work.
    
    Also... Cops have been gunned down just because some ***** doesn't want a ticket. When the ***** has that ever happened on a job site?
    
    I do agree with one thing you said though. There are too many stupid laws on the books. Unfortunately, these get more attention that the important ones.
Fangsinmybeard, on 07/13/2008, -15/+2Wasn't there a story just two days ago about this very same topic?
- noupsell, on 07/14/2008, -1/+13Have you been arrested lately?
thebellmaster1x, on 07/13/2008, -6/+50Story aside, at least I can start my small business and do what I love to do.
- Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -1/+10when i went back to the top of the page i got you joke.
- StolenLamp, on 07/14/2008, -2/+3What a ***** random thumbnail...
- billbugger, on 07/14/2008, -1/+3Sure, but you may not remember if you try to sell that donut at full price to that cop.
- McMaster88, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Can I be your CFO?
  - Sherman901, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3can i be your bff?
  - sockpuppets, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Can I be your token black employee?
Macrophage, on 07/14/2008, -1/+51And if the person is allergic to it? What if they have medical conditions (Breathing Probs) or

Heart Probs...just tough Luck...Geeze! Is'nt tasers enough..now this?

PEACE
John
- Qeveren, on 07/14/2008, -0/+11Paid vacation! (well, for the police involved...)
- megamod, on 07/14/2008, -1/+4It's worse with the taser. People can have breathing problems, heart problems or pacemakers. Tasers aren't even controlled in any form. At least here they bring an "expert" team to evaluate the situation. They can just use tasers whenever they want. Sounds like a nice way to fry someone's pacemaker if shot in the right place.
- dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -3/+4Easy solution: don't go ***** crazy and try attacking a police officer trying to arrest you.
  
  Why Digg patrons seem to love taking the side of whoever is in the wrong (e.g. Obama, Ron Paul, 9/11 Truthers), I don't know...
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -1/+1go you tube "don't taze me bro" and see if that guy is "***** crazy"... he was a moron and asking stupid questions, but he sure as hell wasn't doing anything that warranted being tazed
    
    Or how about the multitude of times that the elderly have been tazed... Now you want to be ok with a new, more powerful version that ALSO keeps you from being able to defend yourself in court because you don't remember *****? GG scrub.
  - dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -2/+2"Don't Tase Me Bro!" was ***** crazy. It's really easy after the fact, after someone has been shown to carry no weapons or have no record of violent crimes, to cry, "excessive force!" For an officer, though, who works a job dealing with criminals who wants to be able to go home afterwards and see his kids, having to decide whether someone might be acting unruly because they're concealing a weapon or looking to fight is more than enough reason for me to give them the benefit of the doubt. Again, no citizen doing nothing wrong will EVER have a problem with this if they... wait for it... cooperate with local authorities.
    
    Until people bitching about police violence decide to get work as officers to change what they see is wrong, they're nothing but gadflies in my book.
jp12380, on 07/14/2008, -5/+55....

This needs to be stopped right away.
noupsell, on 07/14/2008, -1/+3http://www.medicinenet.com/midazolam-injection/art ...
mrsteveman1, on 07/14/2008, -1/+24Versed is great

I can't remember how i know that though....
Qtip42, on 07/14/2008, -4/+66So can I inject a cop when he gets all power trippy? Because fair is fair.
- chispito, on 07/14/2008, -23/+1If you keep having run-ins with cops to the point you've noticed them getting "power trippy" at times, it just may be you and not them that is the problem.
  - McMaster88, on 07/14/2008, -0/+2You obviously did not catch the sarcasm...
- CSharpSauce, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2no, you can have a trained paramedic assess the cops condition... and then administer the injection
LiquidLeopard, on 07/14/2008, -0/+24Allergies??
couldn't they kill someone???
- mrsteveman1, on 07/14/2008, -2/+9Probably not with versed. Although, if someone is on other medications or drunk, yes they could in fact cause respiratory depression which could end up killing someone.
  
  Be glad they aren't walking around with Haldol, at least versed is pleasant.
- gordonrp, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4of course not, I'm sure it is just as safe as those tazer guns... /end sarcasm
SemiSarcastic, on 07/14/2008, -1/+61"Hey what happened? Also, why does my ass hurt?"
"you were hit with a baseball sir."
"I dunno it kind of feels like a deep penitra-"
"IT WAS A BASEBALL!"
ownerizer, on 07/14/2008, -4/+99don't inject me, bro!
- KaiSe7eN, on 07/14/2008, -4/+3Don't juice me, bro!
icndvl, on 07/14/2008, -0/+27Will police be able to use these against protesters?
- LiquidLeopard, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17if you walk by a city block and see hundreds of people sleeping....you'll know that they did.
- billbugger, on 07/14/2008, -2/+1gas 'em
iceman0113, on 07/14/2008, -2/+37The police are now judge, jury, and executioner. It's only a matter of time until these sedatives kill someone.
- chispito, on 07/14/2008, -10/+4So you want the Tasers back or what? Because when people start getting violent with cops, it seems like right now it's get stuck with a needle or get beaten with a stick.
  - jgzman, on 07/14/2008, -0/+5Personally, I feel beating with a stick is fine. It's simple, straight forward, and as long as the cop exercises judgment, is unlikely to kill someone.
    
    Possibly broken bones, but them's the (pardon me) breaks.
  - jjesusfreak01, on 07/14/2008, -0/+5Tasers arent the same as drugs. Tasers are used by cops from a distance for the most part when a person is endangering the cops. These drugs require that the person already be subdued by the cops to administer it. In the olden days, the cops would cuff them, throw them in the back, and let them sleep it off in a cell. Drugs and tasers are becoming replacements for competent cops.
- Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -1/+4i hope they all dont go judge dredd on us. because as a cop in that movie he was a dick. he wasnt cool untill he got kicked out, and then he got his job back i felt sorry for those people that had to deal with him.
- jdepp, on 07/14/2008, -1/+13about one in 50,000 people inherit a sensitive version of the calcium ion channel in their muscles, and anesthetics like versed cause fatal hyperthermia. Which is why you need to use those drugs with an ambulance on hand or in a hospital, so when you inject someone with an allergy you didn't know about, you've got the tools on hand to save their life.
  
  It'll go wrong on the street if they do this.
  - dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Well seeing as how I doubt they'd need to use this on 50,000 people, the odds are good enough for me.
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -1/+1dexter sir, you are an idiot.
jaymzdean, on 07/14/2008, -2/+17"The city's policy to use the method, which calls for the injection of a drug into a person..."

WTFIGOH? AIGTHTGMOTA?
- onlynameicanget, on 07/14/2008, -0/+3No, BIDHACWYSAW.
  
  ^(Because I Don't Have A Clue What Your Second Acronym Was)
adeadwaffle, on 07/14/2008, -1/+16I guess I'll start this off.
What's up with the thumbnail?
Seann7656, on 07/14/2008, -3/+15Dugg for the misleading photo
overtoke, on 07/14/2008, -2/+38When do the People get to use an injection to subdue unruly police?
- AchaIemoipas, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6When they stop being such cowardly pushovers.
  
  Nobody will defend your rights for you. That's your job.
- dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -3/+2Yay for having no understanding of what it's like to be a police officer.
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Yay for finding quotes on police internet forums about this stuff saying "at least they won't remember why that footprint's on their chest"...
    
    ***** moron.
depro9, on 07/14/2008, -1/+24Nice way to shut up those who might sue. This is beyond fuct up! If any state official injected me with anything I would straight firebomb the ***** out of their home on x-mas day. Anyone who would do otherwise should just go kill themselves now. ***** THIS ***** MAN!
thallium205, on 07/14/2008, -2/+10Yes I do love starting my small business, and I do wish to continue what I love doing. **clicks**
redfox2600, on 07/14/2008, -12/+4Although this does present an interesting problem. If you have a suspect who can't be talked down and needs to be taken by force what do you do?
1. can't shot him, human rights activist will be pissed off.
2. can't taze him people on digg will be piss off
3. can't beat his ass in with a stick he'll sue you ass even though he did deserve it.
4. can't sedate him since it'll be a police state.

now what? (honestly people I can't think of anything beside throwing a net on the guy)
- JCPahl, on 07/14/2008, -3/+18It is my understanding that Digg users are not pissed off by legitimate use of tasers (such as the case you describe), but by tasers used on unresisting or utterly non-dangerous targets. In other words, your argument fails.
  - redfox2600, on 07/14/2008, -7/+3I was just trying to add a comical effect to the statement. :'(
  - redfox2600, on 07/14/2008, -5/+3I've seen a few legitimate stories where a handful of digg users where still outraged. So that was meant for them also.
- Bittermanscolon, on 07/14/2008, -3/+5Yeah exactly, JC is right......
- dildoolielly, on 07/14/2008, -6/+5----------If you have a suspect who can't be talked down and needs to be taken by force what do you do?-------------
  
  Questions:
  
  How is a police officer supposed to know if the "suspect";
  
  has a medical condition
  
  is mentally challenged
  
  is on a high dose of medication
  
  is injured
  
  is in distress, shock or panicking
  
  What is it like to have the brain of a two year old?
  - redfox2600, on 07/14/2008, -1/+3@police officer supposed to know if the "suspect";
    It was a hypothetical senario so it is given they are the suspect (say they were seen committing the crime such as the imfamous LA bank robbery)
    
    @has a medical condition, is mentally challenged, is on a high dose of medication, is injured
    This is unknown just like with all real life encounters.
    
    @is in distress, shock or panicking
    you can tell if a person is shock by there slow response patterns. But again you can't really tell without actually preforming an examination which requires them to first cooperate, which they aren't doing obviously
    
    @ the last one, I was trying to mimic what a lot of police officers would see in the field. A potentially danger individual who armed with something and you can't convenience them to stop.
    
    Now dildoolielly I've answer your question you answer mine what would you do? Come on this is a honest question I keep seeing no to this and that but I never really seen any viable alternatives on digg.
  - dildoolielly, on 07/14/2008, -3/+1---------------Now dildoolielly I've answer your question you answer mine what would you do?-----------------
    
    I don't condone cops injecting anything into American citizens. I don't think cops are in the position nor have the proper medical training nor the I.Q. to understand the medical procedure.
    
    BTW, you didn't answer my last question.
    
    What is it like to have the brain of a two year old?
  - GovContractor, on 07/14/2008, -2/+1Dildo,
    
    EMTs administer the injection. If you had read the article, you would know that. Also... You still didn't answer Red's question. Ultimately I don't think you really need to. I know what you would do in the cop's place... You would ***** yourself, curl up into the fetal position and cry.
    
    Here's another question for you. If you were the suspect, would you rather be :
    
    Shot in the head
    Tazed
    Beaten into unconsciousness with a baton
    Sedated
  - dildoolielly, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1----------------Shot in the head, Tazed, Beaten into unconsciousness with a baton, Sedated
    
    Is "grappled and submitted" an option?
    
    Or maybe they read me my Miranda rights before illegal search, unlawful questioning and harrassment?
funlove, on 07/14/2008, -3/+5thanks
BHSPitMonkey, on 07/14/2008, -2/+42"...to control the most unruly people they encounter on the street."

In other words, anybody they feel like.
JoanDark, on 07/14/2008, -3/+11They tried to do this to my dog.At the vet.He was a hundred pound labby who didnt like to have stuff done to him.
Not Versed but the veternary equivalent of.
And when we were home again and it wore off, he was like "heeeeey.What happened?What is UP?"
I refused it after that.No dope for my good boy.
dildoolielly, on 07/14/2008, -6/+33Dear Parents,

In the most innocent of situations, the cops can very well be a danger to your children. Look up the numbers, they kill people's children all the time. If you think this sh*t will help make neighborhoods "safer", your kidding yourself. Police brutality happens routinely. How do I know, I used to live with cops. These bastards are right on the other side of the line for the asswipes the are supposedly supposed to be "protecting" us from.

Please consult a lawyer on what to tell your kid's when/if they may ever be questioned/harassed by a cop. Because "Mr. Friendly" the cop sure as hell aren't going to teach it in public school

Dear Kids,

If a Cop ever asks you a question. Give them your name ONLY and DO NOT ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE. Which is also the same thing as NOT giving them permission to physically search you. Only ask questions like "Are you detaining me and if not am I free to go?" "And if so why." Any other correspondence with a cop after detainment should be, "I have the to remain silent until I talk to an attorney".

Its that fvking simple with these Crispy Creme eating douchbags
- dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -4/+5Mass stereotyping is such a beautiful thing.
  
  But you obviously know your stuff, you "lived with" cops.
  - jxs2151, on 07/14/2008, -2/+6You know, after it reaches a certain point even the most ardent cop-defending pricks like you cannot say with any credibility "It's only a few renegades" or "You're unfairly stereotyping cops".
    
    Two Uncles who were State Cops, college roommate has been a State Cop for about 20 years now. I have been surrounded by law enforcement my whole life - they are all under-educated, power hungry pricks. Nearly every encounter I have had with a cop has been one of them trying to assert un-necessary power over me. Besides, they have gotten to the point where they lie, because to them, the ends justify the means.
    
    Now, how are you going to discount my experience?
  - dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -4/+1Two uncles and a roommate. Well hot damn, with a sample size like three, how could I have ever doubted you?
    
    If "a certain point" is three cops, then I pray to god you're not a pollster. Look at some actual statistics of reported "brutality" versus total arrests and then talk to me about "reaching certain points."
  - dildoolielly, on 07/14/2008, -2/+3-------------------Mass stereotyping is such a beautiful thing. -------------------
    
    Police use excessive force so often its not even funny. It usually doesn't get reported on because its so routine. Its only when an innocent bystander is subjected to excessive force do we ever hear of it in the news.
    
    If you're willing to overlook police abuses against those you disagree with, I've got a newsflash for you: You're a fascist pig who's contributing to the downfall of the American Way.
    
    Go crawl in a hole.
  - dexter411, on 07/14/2008, -3/+2"Police use excessive force so often its not even funny. It usually doesn't get reported on because its so routine."
    
    Source?
    
    The rest of your post just sounds like anger at being shown to be so infantile, so I won't even take it seriously.
  - dildoolielly, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2--------Source?--------
    
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police ...
pholefono, on 07/14/2008, -6/+1god, i love living in Nashville.
Spudster, on 07/14/2008, -2/+24This is a major breach of cognitive liberty in case anyone is wondering.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/
Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -5/+4http://youtube.com/watch?v=wMD7Ezp3gWc

/not rick roll i swear.
pintomp3, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6so not cool.
WalkerTXclocker, on 07/14/2008, -1/+17From their website...
"The best practices response, which has been in place for two years, includes having an ambulance crew on stand by if at all possible when attempting to subdue an individual exhibiting signs of excited delirium. When appropriate, a fire department paramedic will administer an injection containing the sedative Versed to calm the individual and lessen his combativeness once taken into custody. The Nashville policy is based almost entirely on protocol developed by the EAGLES EMS Medical Directors Group, a consortium of almost all of the largest emergency medial services in the U.S. that cover some 50 million lives. "

I still say ***** THAT *****!

contact page is http://www.police.nashville.org/forms/contactus.as ...
pixelfishfood, on 07/14/2008, -1/+30If the police can get close enough to a person to inject him with a syringe, why not just handcuff him? Or are they going to shoot this stuff at us in darts?
- billbugger, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Good point. That would suck to be the cop if you accidentally poked yourself.
BraveRobot, on 07/14/2008, -9/+1Everyone is saying this is bad but this isn't for normal people. You're not going to get pulled over for speeding and get injected. This is for the crazies you see on Cops who are all jacked up on PCP.
- spyd3rweb, on 07/14/2008, -1/+11You'll only get injected if you try and stand up for yourself and your rights.
- Qeveren, on 07/14/2008, -1/+4Oh, there's a winning idea. Suspect is out of his head on unknown narcotics, let's just inject a sedative into him...
- Elliuotatar, on 07/14/2008, -0/+5I'm sure they said the same thing about Tasers too. Dumbass.
DMDekoth, on 07/14/2008, -9/+2Did ANYONE read the article?

It's not like cops are walking around with needles next to their cuffs instead of a tazer.
- Ultrace, on 07/14/2008, -0/+7Small steps. I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but look just a little further ahead, a decade or two. See what this COULD evolve into. There's legitimate cause for concern.
- SwK386, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10I read the entire article... and yes this is completely wrong... they have many other methods that are far less questionable to subdue a person...
  
  One has to wonder when theres statements like this one from the article...
  
  ...a post on a paramedics Internet chat site that said, "One good thing about Versed is that the patient won't remember how he got that footprint on his chest."
  
  Anything that has an amnesic effect should not be used for law enforcement purposes... that just means that the person is left with one less thing that he can use to defend himself from invented charges... (of course we dont have to worry about the police inventing things as they would never do that...)
Sarevok9, on 07/14/2008, -0/+29As someone who has a SEVERE irrational fear of needles I say the following:

I can, and will murder, in cold blood any individual who offensively wields a syringe in any form of confrontation with me. Tasers weren't good enough, pick the ONLY irrational fear I have and use that....
- whatever01, on 07/14/2008, -2/+6That's why they carry guns.
- StolenLamp, on 07/14/2008, -0/+19You might not want to say you killed him "in cold blood" at the trial...
  - sockpuppets, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4It tasted warm to me at the time your honor.
- thepxc, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10Actually, by definition, murdering someone who scared you by attacking you with a needle couldn't be in cold blood. If you thought someone was going to attack you with a needle, or you planned to murder someone simply because you thought they _had_ a needle (eg. a murder streak against tattoo artists) then that would be "in cold blood".
  
  Also, an intense, irrational fear of needles is not uncommon. It will be interesting to see how this affects things.
- jpop, on 07/14/2008, -2/+1Well, I guess they can always shoot you.
Infidelcastr0, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know i'm freeee..........
kat81, on 07/14/2008, -2/+17I have to make a big list of things to put on a medical alert bracelet (or tattoo on my forehead, to make sure they can't say they didn't see it) incase the cops think I need to be subdued:
Medical Alerts for Cops:
Heart issues, high risk of heart attack, TASER WILL KILL
Breathing problems, SEDATIVE WILL KILL
Bleeding and clotting disorders, KICKING, HITTING, CUTTING (anything that can cause bleeding) WILL KILL!

This is part of why I'm agoraphobic and have social issues. I'm scared of all the ways a power-hungry ***** could easily kill me "by accident" and justify killing me because I might have gone nutso at the time.
ufee, on 07/14/2008, -0/+15I can't believe this. How can ***** like this come to be in the US?
- positron, on 07/14/2008, -1/+7You haven't been paying attention.
  - ufee, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2No, I just can't shake off the awe. It's hard to believe society could be so insane.
drhuntzzz, on 07/14/2008, -7/+24I'm a paramedic and I have used versed to chemically restrain people before. The number one reason to restrain a person in a medical setting is to keep them from hurting themselves. Once a paramedic arrives on the scene, and determines this person, who is behaving irrational, is in need of medical attention it becomes a medical scene. This means the paramedic, not the police are calling the shots. The decision to give versed is to protect the patient from physical harm during medical evaluation and treatment. It is NOT given to anyone who is able to reason effectively. It is NOT given simply because the police request it. The person is now a medical patient and will be transported to an appropriate medical facility for evaluation and treatment by a physician. If we cannot allow paramedics to determine if a person is behaving rationally, they would no longer be able treat any medical condition that is causing delirium. Drug overdoses, dehydration, diabetic problems, severe infections, low blood pressure, and many other life threatening conditions can cause this behavior. Take away my ability to restrain people and you are sentencing people I deal with on a weekly basis to DEATH. Yes, there are dangers to versed, but any ambulance carries the equipment and medications needed deal with those issues as they arise.

The other option is to fight with them until they are weak enough to restrain physically, and the let them fight the restraints until they are worn out enough to evaluate and treat. By then the are in worse shape medically, and so are the madical providers. I am not amused at the prospect of this life saving measure (theirs and mine) being jeopardized by knee jerk reactions.
- sporg, on 07/14/2008, -10/+6You will dope who ever the police tell you to dope just admit it.
  - CSharpSauce, on 07/14/2008, -2/+4you talk like a true digger *eye roll*
- CSharpSauce, on 07/14/2008, -0/+6who are the 3 people who burried this guy (at the time of this comment) ? if you think you're more knowledgable then this guy... prove it with a reply demonstrating so
  - Quisquis, on 07/14/2008, -1/+1I buried him just to piss you off...
    
    There's plenty of other sedatives available that don't have an 80% rate of amnesia in recipients.
- Cassanova, on 07/14/2008, -0/+4But why amnesia?? that seems like the biggest problem. Do you really want crazy people waking up in a strange place trying to put together what happened using their crazy-people-imagination??
- wakananda, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2I don't think anyone would dispute the need to sedate a diabetic who was delerious, to prevent them from hurting themselves. No one is trying to take away the tools you need to do your job. The issue is whether an angry property-rights protestor, for instance, can be drugged and hauled away for refusing to leave his property. Or whether people in mass-roundups such as occured on the streets of NYC during the last Republican convention, can be deprived of their memories of the events surrounding their (unlawful) arrest and detention. By conflating emergency medicine and law enforcement (even as this despicable practice does) you do both a disservice.
blackjack75, on 07/14/2008, -2/+5The good thing is that after they inject you, you're a user. They are therefore entitled to arrest you, you dirty junkie.
kingnothing1, on 07/14/2008, -2/+7I was pissed off too when I first read the article, but then I read the depressed guy's account on what happened. I realized that cops don't inject people, they call for an EMT to do it for them. And it has been used for a while without knowing it, so there haven't been any misuses of the injection, since an EMT isn't a power hungry pig.
ozymandias2012, on 07/14/2008, -1/+9This is a really bad idea.
ee52ck, on 07/14/2008, -1/+3its better than being shot dead, thats kinda terminal
eccitante, on 07/14/2008, -2/+7Police are nothing more than bureaucrats with guns.... Bureaucrats that work for an inherently inefficient, wasteful and increasingly coercive government. If you are in the USA and you have the money to leave (I wish I did), get out while you can, there are far better places to live.
- spongya77, on 07/14/2008, -1/+2Ironically, those places are all run by the "evil big government" and have universal healthcare, heavy taxation, and all those things that freak out those who idolize the thought of "small government". (Germany, France, essentially whole of Europe, Canada...)
  - boobsbr, on 07/14/2008, -1/+1eccitante said coercive government.
    
    working universal health care is my dream, why wouldn't you want to have that?
    heavy taxation that that is converted into a ***** awesome country, wouldn't you want that too?
  - siszam, on 07/15/2008, -1/+2Universal healthcare is a good thing that civilized people agree with. Letting people die because they are poor or uninsured isn't good. Why do I have to tell you that?
  - spongya77, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1I think you guys need to reevaluate your reading comprehension skills. I was making fun of those idiots who can only recite how bad and evil "big governments" are, and "universal healthcare is communism", without being to demonstrate that their version works (it clearly does not).
    I came from Europe five years ago, and still not believe my eyes and ears seeing and hearing the madness in the media, the ignorance and the stupidity when it comes to healthcare, education, and the role of the government.
    So please, read the comment again.
- wakananda, on 07/15/2008, -0/+2I'm going to live in a European country which is heavily bureacratic, and has a high rate of taxation. It's also sane, fair, decent and respects the rights of it's citizens. The fact that government exists to serve the people, and not the reverse, is taken for granted. No one goes without healthcare. No one starves. Police use a lot of surveillance, but police misconduct is rare, and punished appropriately. The problem with the USA is not that the government is too powerful; it's that this too-powerful government is controlled by corporations - mostly arms manufacturers and other ***** that get rich from warfare and reconstruction. Not to mention the oil interests that fill the whitehouse just now. The US should be leading the world in developing new technology to rid us of our dependence on fossil fuels - instead we're riding an atomic bomb all the way to the ground like Slim ***** Pickins.
  - spongya77, on 07/15/2008, -0/+1Yup. That sums it up. Pretty scary.
silentboom, on 07/14/2008, -3/+7This is not about the drug. This is about an officer being able to inject your body with something at his discretion will little oversight. This will be overused just as tasers are.
- geneikillua, on 07/14/2008, -2/+3Apparently you didn't read the article. Congrats, you are officially a Digger.
Teh1337Pirate, on 07/14/2008, -5/+2This has and will be a good thing. If you are stupid enough to have to have more than two cops trying to hold you down then all the power to them to use other forms or restraint on you.
Bandersong, on 07/14/2008, -0/+6Gee, that guys story, sounds like a scene... in this book.... hmmm where this lady tries to commit suicide, and doesn't remember it the next day... wow what book? oh wait

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451
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