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- BrapAllgood, on 07/12/2008, -7/+223'"The drug has an amnesia effect, and we use that therapeutically because one of the nice ways to take care of the discomfort is to make people forget that they've had it," said biomedical ethics and law enforcement expert Dr. Steven Miles.'
OH, JOY. At least you won't remember...whatever it is that they do to you. ***** yay.
Nope. No police state here. - inactive, on 07/12/2008, -5/+109"I woke up -- I don't know how much time had passed -- with a sergeant standing over me telling me to sign here. I didn't know what I was signing Ms. (Channel 4 I-Team reporter Demetria) Kalodimos. I just signed a piece of paper and was immediately right back out"
Ya, perfectly good idea. Give a bunch of attention/control seeking cops the capability to main line someone with the equivalent of an atomic GHB. It won't be long until the ***** treat it like an opportunity to enact their own little first night rule, Prima Nocta.
Think long and hard about who's side you're on.
"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!" - ownerizer, on 07/14/2008, -4/+99don't inject me, bro!
- alapoet, on 07/13/2008, -3/+65Police state coercion is an ugly thing.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -4/+66So can I inject a cop when he gets all power trippy? Because fair is fair.
- SemiSarcastic, on 07/14/2008, -1/+61"Hey what happened? Also, why does my ass hurt?"
"you were hit with a baseball sir."
"I dunno it kind of feels like a deep penitra-"
"IT WAS A BASEBALL!" - jp12380, on 07/14/2008, -5/+55....
This needs to be stopped right away. - Macrophage, on 07/14/2008, -1/+51And if the person is allergic to it? What if they have medical conditions (Breathing Probs) or
Heart Probs...just tough Luck...Geeze! Is'nt tasers enough..now this?
PEACE
John - Catspaw, on 07/13/2008, -9/+53I think this is a sign that the criminal government is working towards forcing dangerous vaccinations on to people during a government-sponsored pandemic and using this kind of operation to try and make it acceptable to poke needles into people.
- thebellmaster1x, on 07/13/2008, -6/+50Story aside, at least I can start my small business and do what I love to do.
- BHSPitMonkey, on 07/14/2008, -2/+42"...to control the most unruly people they encounter on the street."
In other words, anybody they feel like. - Hangly, on 07/13/2008, -1/+38Have you ever experienced the sensation of missing time?
Another slice of sweet potato pie, please. - overtoke, on 07/14/2008, -2/+38When do the People get to use an injection to subdue unruly police?
- iceman0113, on 07/14/2008, -2/+37The police are now judge, jury, and executioner. It's only a matter of time until these sedatives kill someone.
- inactive, on 07/13/2008, -6/+41Give them a heavy injection of lead or copper through the throat or the forehead before they have the chance.
- Sarevok9, on 07/14/2008, -0/+29As someone who has a SEVERE irrational fear of needles I say the following:
I can, and will murder, in cold blood any individual who offensively wields a syringe in any form of confrontation with me. Tasers weren't good enough, pick the ONLY irrational fear I have and use that.... - pixelfishfood, on 07/14/2008, -1/+30If the police can get close enough to a person to inject him with a syringe, why not just handcuff him? Or are they going to shoot this stuff at us in darts?
- icndvl, on 07/14/2008, -0/+27Will police be able to use these against protesters?
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -6/+33Dear Parents,
In the most innocent of situations, the cops can very well be a danger to your children. Look up the numbers, they kill people's children all the time. If you think this sh*t will help make neighborhoods "safer", your kidding yourself. Police brutality happens routinely. How do I know, I used to live with cops. These bastards are right on the other side of the line for the asswipes the are supposedly supposed to be "protecting" us from.
Please consult a lawyer on what to tell your kid's when/if they may ever be questioned/harassed by a cop. Because "Mr. Friendly" the cop sure as hell aren't going to teach it in public school
Dear Kids,
If a Cop ever asks you a question. Give them your name ONLY and DO NOT ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE. Which is also the same thing as NOT giving them permission to physically search you. Only ask questions like "Are you detaining me and if not am I free to go?" "And if so why." Any other correspondence with a cop after detainment should be, "I have the to remain silent until I talk to an attorney".
Its that fvking simple with these Crispy Creme eating douchbags - DreKor, on 07/14/2008, -0/+24Speaking of GHB, how long will it take for this stuff to start disappearing from police inventory and end up on the street? I like narcotics as much as the next guy, but government sanctioned date-rape drugs sound like a bad idea to me. Ecstasy started out as a legitimate pharmaceutical, but was black listed after it got out in the wild. I foresee a similar trajectory for this stuff.
- LiquidLeopard, on 07/14/2008, -0/+24Allergies??
couldn't they kill someone??? - mrsteveman1, on 07/14/2008, -1/+24Versed is great
I can't remember how i know that though.... - depro9, on 07/14/2008, -1/+24Nice way to shut up those who might sue. This is beyond fuct up! If any state official injected me with anything I would straight firebomb the ***** out of their home on x-mas day. Anyone who would do otherwise should just go kill themselves now. ***** THIS ***** MAN!
- Spudster, on 07/14/2008, -2/+24This is a major breach of cognitive liberty in case anyone is wondering.
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/ - StolenLamp, on 07/14/2008, -0/+19You might not want to say you killed him "in cold blood" at the trial...
- mOdQuArK, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17Sounds like they're trying it out. If it becomes "acceptable", I think you can pretty much count on the practice spreading across the country.
- Infidelcastr0, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know i'm freeee..........
- LiquidLeopard, on 07/14/2008, -0/+17if you walk by a city block and see hundreds of people sleeping....you'll know that they did.
- Spudster, on 07/14/2008, -5/+22This is such a violation of individual cognitive liberty.
- Ultrace, on 07/14/2008, -0/+16I'm not saying I necessarily agree with him, but let's look at the situation -- police officers will be injecting people with a sedative with a known amnesiac effect. Enough people don't trust the police as it is, do they then want to be drugged and potentially abused by them without even their own memory as evidence?
- WalkerTXclocker, on 07/14/2008, -1/+17From their website...
"The best practices response, which has been in place for two years, includes having an ambulance crew on stand by if at all possible when attempting to subdue an individual exhibiting signs of excited delirium. When appropriate, a fire department paramedic will administer an injection containing the sedative Versed to calm the individual and lessen his combativeness once taken into custody. The Nashville policy is based almost entirely on protocol developed by the EAGLES EMS Medical Directors Group, a consortium of almost all of the largest emergency medial services in the U.S. that cover some 50 million lives. "
I still say ***** THAT *****!
contact page is http://www.police.nashville.org/forms/contactus.as ... - Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -5/+21yea that means all kinds of bad stuff. lets say they had to use it on a woman. some cops will think well why not? she's not gonna remember it. and he's right.
- drhuntzzz, on 07/14/2008, -8/+24I'm a paramedic and I have used versed to chemically restrain people before. The number one reason to restrain a person in a medical setting is to keep them from hurting themselves. Once a paramedic arrives on the scene, and determines this person, who is behaving irrational, is in need of medical attention it becomes a medical scene. This means the paramedic, not the police are calling the shots. The decision to give versed is to protect the patient from physical harm during medical evaluation and treatment. It is NOT given to anyone who is able to reason effectively. It is NOT given simply because the police request it. The person is now a medical patient and will be transported to an appropriate medical facility for evaluation and treatment by a physician. If we cannot allow paramedics to determine if a person is behaving rationally, they would no longer be able treat any medical condition that is causing delirium. Drug overdoses, dehydration, diabetic problems, severe infections, low blood pressure, and many other life threatening conditions can cause this behavior. Take away my ability to restrain people and you are sentencing people I deal with on a weekly basis to DEATH. Yes, there are dangers to versed, but any ambulance carries the equipment and medications needed deal with those issues as they arise.
The other option is to fight with them until they are weak enough to restrain physically, and the let them fight the restraints until they are worn out enough to evaluate and treat. By then the are in worse shape medically, and so are the madical providers. I am not amused at the prospect of this life saving measure (theirs and mine) being jeopardized by knee jerk reactions. - adeadwaffle, on 07/14/2008, -1/+16I guess I'll start this off.
What's up with the thumbnail? - ufee, on 07/14/2008, -0/+15I can't believe this. How can ***** like this come to be in the US?
- jaymzdean, on 07/14/2008, -2/+17"The city's policy to use the method, which calls for the injection of a drug into a person..."
WTFIGOH? AIGTHTGMOTA? - kat81, on 07/14/2008, -2/+17I have to make a big list of things to put on a medical alert bracelet (or tattoo on my forehead, to make sure they can't say they didn't see it) incase the cops think I need to be subdued:
Medical Alerts for Cops:
Heart issues, high risk of heart attack, TASER WILL KILL
Breathing problems, SEDATIVE WILL KILL
Bleeding and clotting disorders, KICKING, HITTING, CUTTING (anything that can cause bleeding) WILL KILL!
This is part of why I'm agoraphobic and have social issues. I'm scared of all the ways a power-hungry ***** could easily kill me "by accident" and justify killing me because I might have gone nutso at the time. - JCPahl, on 07/14/2008, -3/+18It is my understanding that Digg users are not pissed off by legitimate use of tasers (such as the case you describe), but by tasers used on unresisting or utterly non-dangerous targets. In other words, your argument fails.
- noupsell, on 07/14/2008, -1/+13Have you been arrested lately?
- Seann7656, on 07/14/2008, -3/+15Dugg for the misleading photo
- jdepp, on 07/14/2008, -1/+13about one in 50,000 people inherit a sensitive version of the calcium ion channel in their muscles, and anesthetics like versed cause fatal hyperthermia. Which is why you need to use those drugs with an ambulance on hand or in a hospital, so when you inject someone with an allergy you didn't know about, you've got the tools on hand to save their life.
It'll go wrong on the street if they do this. - BrapAllgood, on 07/13/2008, -0/+12After I posted, I decided I was having a bad memory. I don't watch much of anything for entertainment anymore. My bad.
I was thinking of The Machinist, tho. And it does rule. :) - Qeveren, on 07/14/2008, -0/+11Paid vacation! (well, for the police involved...)
- Hangly, on 07/13/2008, -0/+11That's from the X Files.
Jose Chung's "From Outer Space," written by Darren Morgan. Best Ep in the series :D - SwK386, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10I read the entire article... and yes this is completely wrong... they have many other methods that are far less questionable to subdue a person...
One has to wonder when theres statements like this one from the article...
...a post on a paramedics Internet chat site that said, "One good thing about Versed is that the patient won't remember how he got that footprint on his chest."
Anything that has an amnesic effect should not be used for law enforcement purposes... that just means that the person is left with one less thing that he can use to defend himself from invented charges... (of course we dont have to worry about the police inventing things as they would never do that...) - thepxc, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10Actually, by definition, murdering someone who scared you by attacking you with a needle couldn't be in cold blood. If you thought someone was going to attack you with a needle, or you planned to murder someone simply because you thought they _had_ a needle (eg. a murder streak against tattoo artists) then that would be "in cold blood".
Also, an intense, irrational fear of needles is not uncommon. It will be interesting to see how this affects things. - spyd3rweb, on 07/14/2008, -1/+11You'll only get injected if you try and stand up for yourself and your rights.
- Mpwns, on 07/14/2008, -1/+10when i went back to the top of the page i got you joke.
- gordonrp, on 07/14/2008, -2/+11Well..... we've all seen the video of some lady getting tazered during a traffic stop (she is hysterical).... the point is that a lot of cops (not all) simply don't have the skills to correctly handle situations and resort to pulling out a weapon of some sort.
I know a lot of women who get hysterical about things, now I can just see stories of people getting "put to sleep" during a traffic stop. - inactive, on 07/14/2008, -1/+10You sheeps sure tolerate a lot.
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